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Fastest Science Victory

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by Lightning5555, Feb 14, 2016.

  1. Blatc

    Blatc Chieftain

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    Will need an expansion update to provide beaker comparison for the T-hawk huge game.
     
  2. cbucks

    cbucks Chieftain

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    got spain map to 177 using seven city

    turn 86 renaissance with oracle to get secularism

    turn 130 freedom

    turn 154 all labs completed

    turn 177 finish

    I keep going from ideology and making a stop to get chemistry and fertilizer - after reading thawks latest write up i'm unsure if that is correct. , could get labs 3-4 turns quicker if skip fertilizer
     

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  3. T-hawk

    T-hawk Transcend

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    I think Fertilizer before Plastics won't help. By then the ~2 food per city from pastures/plantations is nothing. You shouldn't have non-freshwater farms; cities should be located for freshwater farms; dry grassland/plains should get trading posts instead.

    Chemistry before Plastics probably breaks even either way. Mostly for observatories; each observatory-turn gained by the Chemistry hammers makes up for one lab-turn. Chemistry also helps to finish Big Ben before Plastics.
     
  4. Blatc

    Blatc Chieftain

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    I believe the consensus has long been that for fast SV Fertilizer before Plastics is a small mistake, and to take it immediately after. However, there can be timing scenarios where you will delay purchasing the labs until you have completed Big Ben and/or Mercantilism, which could allow picking up Fertilizer first. I am sometimes in a situation where I have to choose between using 1 or 2 GS leading into Plastics, with both being slightly off from ideal timing (i.e. if using 2, I will delay purchasing Labs by 1 or more turns to wait for Big Ben/Merc), in which case I could convince myself to take Chemistry and possibly fertilizer before using the 2 GS. More recently, I have tended towards using 1 GS and teching Chemistry/Fertilizer immediately after.
     
  5. Blatc

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    Brief details and pics from T190 Babylon Deity SV, submitted to HoF

    Spoiler Details :

    5-city NC. The 2 Northern expos took a little while to walk the units to, and had some delays completing the road through a CS.

    Songhai wiped out Venice and Korea, but nobody ever did much about it. After early wars to steal workers and pillage a few caravans, I was peaceful.

    Religion was very strong. Fairly standard choices, for me: DF, Tithe, happiness from Gardens (2 best buildings n/a), faith from wonders, reliquary. I built Borobudur. Rather than plant for more faith, I spread with 2 prophets; the gold from Tithe helped make up for not getting Machu.
    I built a late Petra in 1st expo T98, which is very uncommon on Deity.
    Arabia completed Porcelain Tower on T153.

    16 GS
    1 from Writing
    9 produced by cities
    3 from wonders
    3 from faith

    9th city-produced GS was T188; Apollo 187, Hubble T188.
    Planted GS from Writing and 1st city-produced GS. Chose New Deal.

    Key timings
    T95 or 96 Education
    T139 Sci Theory (no bulbs)
    T165 Plastics (1x GS), bought 5 labs immediately
    T190 SV

    Opened Rationalism as 7th policy (not including Oracle) 1 turn after reaching Astronomy and had strong culture coming in from CS allies to get me through Rationalism policies quickly.

    Babylon T190 SV pic 1.jpg Babylon T190 SV pic 2.jpg

     

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