Federation of Free States
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Lord Civius
Emperor
The MoD position is still there if you want it.
That would give 2 federal territories, potentially, the same voting power as Arete Proper. Give them a speaker in the Assembly that has no voting power. It is like Washington, DC. They have a congressional representative but he/she cannot vote.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
I second Lord Civius as S-G. 
But anyway,
I had a feeling Port Civius would come up...
Our current recognized States are not actually populated quite evenly, as Arete Proper holds a great majority of the DGers, Ibisinia holds the second most comparable population, while the rest have a rough 1 active player
Giving Arete Proper more votes would only continue the tradition of Arete dominating all of the country, which is not what we want.
If we give Port Civius a full or even potentially a half vote, it will have the second most dominating vote, because no one DGer resides there, giving one person a direct vote.
Without DGers residing there, I agree with Lord Civius as an act of protection to states' rights, give them an assembly speaker but no vote.
Please be warned, though, as I believe this should be considered a temporary solution. To make the issue more of a, well, issue, I would highly encourage the immigration of new citizens and any Aretean Proper citizens to the areas of Port Civius, Greater Edori, Southern and Coastal New Arkadia, and North Ibisinia, stressed in that order.
I would also like to propose a quasi-judicial system, for now, stating that any nuisance to the Federation (if in power) shall be sent and registered to a chosen state, to which there criminality will be revoked.
The above (criminal solution) I present fully to the people, though; that is your decision. However I would like to greatly stress the idea of immigration to frontier Arentania.
But anyway,
I had a feeling Port Civius would come up...
Our current recognized States are not actually populated quite evenly, as Arete Proper holds a great majority of the DGers, Ibisinia holds the second most comparable population, while the rest have a rough 1 active player
Giving Arete Proper more votes would only continue the tradition of Arete dominating all of the country, which is not what we want.
If we give Port Civius a full or even potentially a half vote, it will have the second most dominating vote, because no one DGer resides there, giving one person a direct vote.
Without DGers residing there, I agree with Lord Civius as an act of protection to states' rights, give them an assembly speaker but no vote.
Please be warned, though, as I believe this should be considered a temporary solution. To make the issue more of a, well, issue, I would highly encourage the immigration of new citizens and any Aretean Proper citizens to the areas of Port Civius, Greater Edori, Southern and Coastal New Arkadia, and North Ibisinia, stressed in that order.
I would also like to propose a quasi-judicial system, for now, stating that any nuisance to the Federation (if in power) shall be sent and registered to a chosen state, to which there criminality will be revoked.
The above (criminal solution) I present fully to the people, though; that is your decision. However I would like to greatly stress the idea of immigration to frontier Arentania.
Lord Civius
Emperor
Send the rebels to a distant colony 
! I don't think the system needs any pushing one way or the other. Players will more than likely change residence to gain some power. Right now Arete is the political strong hold butlets see how long that lasts. If push comes to shove we could always allow non-residents to run for State elections.
! I don't think the system needs any pushing one way or the other. Players will more than likely change residence to gain some power. Right now Arete is the political strong hold butlets see how long that lasts. If push comes to shove we could always allow non-residents to run for State elections.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Well if all my real estate holdings weren't around Arete, I'd surely move out to Port Civius. I'm sure they have plenty of entertainment for the enlisted men. Being surrounded by beach sounds good too.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
I changed your residency in the thread Vra, and this will effectively address this problem to what it needs to be.
Hopefully, as Lord Civius said, the Aretan power base will lessen. That will only be seen with time, but for now we need to consider what Port Civius should be. For active players, it is now tied with New Arkadia and Greater Edori. GE and NA already receive as much Representation as Arete Proper. Therefore, if we Represent the states solely on the DGers, Port Civius should receive a full vote. However there is also the case of the actual populace in the cities, in which case Port Civius ought to receive the least amount of Representation.
I think it is vital to make a decision here, though. The activity of the DG is too low to create a split-system that will address both issues. I would say that Representation for the Free States (for now, until activity rises) should be:
1.) Decided by DG population, giving equal votes to all states now would prove to be in bad taste for Arete Proper. 5 active players, including myself, reside here, while the max active players for any other State is 2.
2.) Monitored by the Federation, this way the votes would be subject to change to bring fairness to all residents.
For now, I would propose that Arete Proper gains two votes,while Ibisinia, Port Civius, Greater Edori and New Arkadia gain 1 vote. This plan seems direct to all states other than Arete Proper and Ibisinia, and it pretty much is, but until this is sorted out I believe it will work as the dominant city of Arete can be overthrown by 1/2 of the other states voting against their wishes.
Hopefully, as Lord Civius said, the Aretan power base will lessen. That will only be seen with time, but for now we need to consider what Port Civius should be. For active players, it is now tied with New Arkadia and Greater Edori. GE and NA already receive as much Representation as Arete Proper. Therefore, if we Represent the states solely on the DGers, Port Civius should receive a full vote. However there is also the case of the actual populace in the cities, in which case Port Civius ought to receive the least amount of Representation.
I think it is vital to make a decision here, though. The activity of the DG is too low to create a split-system that will address both issues. I would say that Representation for the Free States (for now, until activity rises) should be:
1.) Decided by DG population, giving equal votes to all states now would prove to be in bad taste for Arete Proper. 5 active players, including myself, reside here, while the max active players for any other State is 2.
2.) Monitored by the Federation, this way the votes would be subject to change to bring fairness to all residents.
For now, I would propose that Arete Proper gains two votes,while Ibisinia, Port Civius, Greater Edori and New Arkadia gain 1 vote. This plan seems direct to all states other than Arete Proper and Ibisinia, and it pretty much is, but until this is sorted out I believe it will work as the dominant city of Arete can be overthrown by 1/2 of the other states voting against their wishes.
Lord Civius
Emperor
1 vote per state rep tcn. That's what we agreed on in the constitution. Let us allow a chance for the power vacuum to fill.
Joe Harker
1st in the Premiership!
If we were to win the PF election, would it be possible for me to do the first turnchat?
Lord Civius
Emperor
tcn, that's your decision. You guys think we should get geared up for a Staurday or Sunday TC? Barring a miracle we're in so I suggest we get one off and keep the game rolling.
No one else has announced their bid for Sec-General so I guess that means I'm in. Election cycles in the future will be a little more formal.
No one else has announced their bid for Sec-General so I guess that means I'm in. Election cycles in the future will be a little more formal.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Estates General Reps should begin after our (possible) ascension to PF, to include the entire populace our first turn.
Scratch that again, elections end on the 20th. That is when the bulk of these decisions should be made, however; I still insist on the highlighted.
Lord Civius
Emperor
I was thinking we should get one in right after the elections. It is the responsibility of the Reps to set policy and do so at their own pace. The instructions for their State should come at a regular basis but it will take a good week to get the full participation of the representative body. This is too long, IMHO, to wait for a TC. I suggest we play a TC to include the revolt (3) turns and maybe 3 or 4 turns after to put our ducks in a row before passing most of the buck to the Reps.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
A 5 turn TC at the beginning is another option, but we will have to be well organized as far as builds, trades, and military strategy go to pull that off.
If the people want an off-the-bat TC, we should begin planning builds, trades, and military policy and strategy immediately as to not make any game-altering decisions. The civics should be changed on the first TC, as well as the builds after the revolution to be assessed. I will have a look on builds after the revolution, and 1889's propositions work for the next TC as well.
So what does the rest of the Federation think for the first TC, would you like it off the bat or put together after State Reps have been designated?
If the people want an off-the-bat TC, we should begin planning builds, trades, and military policy and strategy immediately as to not make any game-altering decisions. The civics should be changed on the first TC, as well as the builds after the revolution to be assessed. I will have a look on builds after the revolution, and 1889's propositions work for the next TC as well.
So what does the rest of the Federation think for the first TC, would you like it off the bat or put together after State Reps have been designated?
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
I'm ready to go so lets play. People know what city they live in they can elect their reps and discuss whatever topics they like at any time. There is no need for this game to come to a halt every time we have a revolution.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
I agree. Let's play a 5 turn TC online immediately after the election ends.
Joe Harker
1st in the Premiership!
What on Saturday night, I couldn't do that, i am moving into my university flat tomorrow, I was hoping for a Monday night turnchat at the earliest (sp).
(wait, i think i have been here before)
If you want, appoint someone else to do the first turnchat then i could do one on Wednesday possibly.
(wait, i think i have been here before
) If you want, appoint someone else to do the first turnchat then i could do one on Wednesday possibly.
Lord Civius
Emperor
5 turns sounds good. This will get the long revolution out of the way and allow us to get the builds going for each city and anything else thats needed. If we start the State elections Saturday and run them for 48 hours that will give the new reps over 24 hours to give their instructions for a Wednseday TC, should work. It is also not mandatory for a State to post instructions. Since I will be presiding over the EGAH Assembly I'll get the groud work done their so all the reps will have to do is vote on the NAtional issues before us. What say you thecommonnate?
thecommonnate
Theocrat
I think assigning the first TC on Wednesday takes the meaning away from a off-the-bat TC.
It would be in the best interest of the people here to hold an immediate TC after an election win, where we will carry out the revolution to the new civics.
Gameplanning until then will be done under the EGAH thread, as no other faction has claimed the old EG thread to be used by their faction, it will be set up as Federation plans after possible elections.
I would urge that the TC be held only over the revolution's course. Joe you would be welcomed to play the next TC, but if the first TC is to be held on Wednesday, it would only make sense to elect Reps with the time given from the election result to the first TC.
It would be in the best interest of the people here to hold an immediate TC after an election win, where we will carry out the revolution to the new civics.
Gameplanning until then will be done under the EGAH thread, as no other faction has claimed the old EG thread to be used by their faction, it will be set up as Federation plans after possible elections.
I would urge that the TC be held only over the revolution's course. Joe you would be welcomed to play the next TC, but if the first TC is to be held on Wednesday, it would only make sense to elect Reps with the time given from the election result to the first TC.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
I'm up for that. I nominate thecommonnate to be the DP for a 5 turn TC online this weekend sometime. Let's get the Instructions done in the Hall and get this TC nailed down.
