Firaxis a little slow?

[Sir. Martin]

I never thought that Firaxis was one of those who ignored information and tips from their users.

However many of us are still waiting for a sollution for the civilization.exe crack + a multiplayer patch/update.

Do you agree? And Firaxis when?

 

[Gerad]

Sorry to tell you but fraxis is a business. What is the primary of purpose of a business to make money. Fraxis has already made it's money selling it's game. The company doesn`t really care too much about fixing the problems with their game. They will fix things on their own time which will probally be a while.

I know there are idealisic people who think of fraxis as something more then a business but thats what is it simple as that. The people are Fraxis are not really interested in fixing problems with this game. Right now they are making other games to make more money or mabye a civ 3 expanision pack INSTEAD of giving us a patch for free it's all about money.

 

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

There is no update on multiplayer, and likely won't be until we have something definitive to say. This message hasn't changed since before the game was released.

As for any cracks, I don't think you'll find us making any public statements on how to avoid the game's copy protection. It's Infogrames' call because they own the game, pure and simple.

As I understand it, If you have problems with the copy protection, you can get a patch from them, so I'm not sure what the issue is with this.

Dan

 

[Traquenard-fx]

Yep! just for cash. The only thing that companies want is cash, not offering a good product. When poeple will understand?

 

[Sir. Martin]

Gerad: Sorry to tell you but fraxis is a business. What is the primary of purpose of a business to make money. Fraxis has already made it's money selling it's game. The company doesn`t really care too much about fixing the problems with their game. They will fix things on their own time which will probally be a while.

Yes, and if they are interrested in selling us anything else in the name of Fraxis they should, and most firms do, fix their problems and sell us quality-products. If not they will loose alot of custumors for their next product!





Dan Magaha FIRAXIS:´ There is no update on multiplayer, and likely won't be until we have something definitive to say. This message hasn't changed since before the game was released.

Well their official website has always said that it would come, just not when!


As for any cracks, I don't think you'll find us making any public statements on how to avoid the game's copy protection. It's Infogrames' call because they own the game, pure and simple.

WHAT are you talking about? I have paid 400 DKR or 100€ for my copy!

As I understand it, If you have problems with the copy protection, you can get a patch from them, so I'm not sure what the issue is with this.

THE ISSUE IS that what YOU apparently think is the issue is not!




Yep! just for cash. The only thing that companies want is cash, not offering a good product. When poeple will understand?

Well that is not the oppionion in most of the Europe, but okay...
BECAUSE ( again ) if they dont give us quality for our money, they will only sell one product in the name the firm has.

 

[Sir. Martin]

As I understand it, If you have problems with the copy protection, you can get a patch from them, so I'm not sure what the issue is with this.

THE ISSUE IS that what YOU apparently think is the issue is not!


WHAT i meant was: This is not MY issue!

 

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

This seems to be a perennial source of confusion, and I've addressed this several times before, so here goes:

We are developers. We are contracted by the publishers to make a product for them, which they own, and can do with as they please. It's not unlike the relationship that a film director has with a movie studio.

This is what I meant when I said they own the game. Firaxis doesn't own the rights to the game, Infogrames does.

In the case of Civ III, it was Infogrames' decision (and right) to use copy protection, and they decided which type to use, et cetera. It's their decision, and they want to protect their product. They have a patch for people who have conflicts with the copy protection, so once again I fail to see what the issue is.

Yes, we are a company, and yes we do need to make profits. My landlord wouldn't find it very amusing if I tried to pay my rent with good ideas for computer games. However, the idea that we don't care about quality is ludicrous. If we didn't, we'd never have released a patch in the first place, and I wouldn't participate on these forums on a daily basis answering questions and taking feedback.

There is no law that says that profits and quality are mutually exclusive principles.


Dan

 

[rdomarat]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
My landlord wouldn't find it very amusing if I tried to pay my rent with good ideas for computer games.

I know exactly what you mean. I once started this commune where a whole mess of really good programmers got together and planned the Next Great Thing(TM). It was really enlightening and we were on the verge of some really great discoveries when everyone started getting really cold and hungry and went home.

 

[Graeme the mad]

I agree 100% with you DAN

But infogrames could make a lot of money out of an expansion pack (I do not expect them to make another patch, devoting people's time to something which will produce no return is a complete waste of resources for a game which now plays almost completley bug free)
So come on Infogames - make an x-pack its in your own best interests (incidentally dan is their any word on that intention from them - if its a definite no I certtainly wont be annoyed but it'd be nice to know)

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
There is no law that says that profits and quality are mutually exclusive principles. Dan

Great game, Dan. You earned my money. If you make an expansion pack, I'll buy that too.

Say Hi! to Sid and the gang.

 

[Troyens]

Originally posted by Traquenard-fx
Yep! just for cash. The only thing that companies want is cash, not offering a good product. When poeple will understand?

Yes. I guess that will teach us to WAIT several months after the game comes out and read what people say on the forums before buying.

 

[Gerad]

(I do not expect them to make another patch, devoting people's time to something which will produce no return is a complete waste of resources for a game which now plays almost completley bug free)

Civ 3 Compelely BUGFREE GIVE ME A BREAK!!

I have yet to play a game without there being at least one or 2 bugs. Why are there so many Firaxis kissups?

I`ll admit Firaxis has made some good games without question but that doesn`t mean they are beyond critizing I think there are alot of good ideas but this company just won`t even consider them I mean all the CIV games are pretty similar I like to see A complete renovation but I doubt Firaxis would do that.

Fact of the matter is it will have to be some new game company before we see a civ type game that deals with all the complaints people have been voicing

but untill that day civ 3 is best we have but firaxis might want to watch out if that ever happens.

 

[Sir. Martin]

I think there has been a lot of misunderstanding here.
First I would like to say to Firerix that I love Civilization and all about it, and that I probertly would buy Civ 4 if it arrived. -But still compared to Civ II, Civ III has alot of bugs, and I am not the only one who means that! -Check the forum, there´s even been a pool for the civilization.exe-bug. ( 34% had this bug )

MY BUG is not the same bug as your are talking about.
( the copy-protection-bug )

I see your point with earning money, I study at a business college so.. Anyway I think many of you made it sound like "lets trick them to buy this crap, and then make some new crap to sell the idiots". That´s why I reacted.

I´ll end it here but watch, and perhaps reply to new treads.

 

[number6]

When Dan says Infogrames owns the game, I understand that. What I don't understand is how he can say it's up to Infogrames to decide if they fix the bugs or not. It is up to the developer to fix the bugs and deliver a working product. Firaxis is responsible for the game since they designed, coded and promoted the product. I thought this game would have the same polish as Civ 2 and Alpha Centauri based on the reputation of Firaxis. Boy was that a mistake. I am really dissapointed in the new attitude of Firaxis and I will never ever buy another game with their name on it. Civ III is a huge dissapointment. I have been waiting patiently for a new patch and the way it sounds there will not be one. What I can't believe are all of the high scores game reviewers are giving this game. I have to ask myself, did they even play the game? I was initially intrigued by the game, but the more I played it the less fun it became. Truly great games are infinitely replayable, not Civ 3. I would rate it 5/10 . Civ2 and Alpha Centauri get 10/10, 9/10 respectively in my book. I guess it really is about making the quick buck, but you can only do that successfully once. I guess the general public will be amused by anything, but with so many other great games out there Civ 3 is a waste of money.

 

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

When did I ever say that fixing bugs is the responsibility of Infogrames?

Dan

 

[number6]

You are right you did not mention bugs only multiplayer and CD cracks, sorry :crazyeyes I am just a little upset that no patch has been discussed in a while and I was venting. I don't play Civ III much and it is one of the few PC games I purchased at the end of last year. I really want to like the game, but there are issues that keep me from playing. I just go back to Age of Empires II and have lots of fun. I have not played Civ III since the last patch was released and I will not boot it up again until there is another patch. Again, sorry for the false acusation.

 

[Ironikinit]

Is it possible that the original poster meant civ.exe bug and not crack?

Personally, I don't think MP will be released for free, but I'm just guessing. Another patch or two, maybe.

 

[whstaff]

To Dan the Firaxian:
I've bought civ 1 ,civ ii, Alpha Centauri and even Alien Crossfire. I never say never, but CIV III is such a buggy piece of crap, you can no longer count on me buying any of your products in the future. CIV III is a good concept, but replete with tech glitches. CIV III in two months has caused more grief than any other 10 games I've owned, and I've been gaming since 1985. If you had any integrity this game would be recalled.

 

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Sorry to hear that. I respectfully disagree with your opinion about the number and severity of the bugs in Civ III, but I wish you the best in your future gaming endeavours.

Dan

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

To Dan: the game's great. Firaxis did a great job in making it. First, the people demand a patch to fix the problems, you give them that, and then they wan't you to fix some new problems, it appears to be a never-ending cycle. Perhaps they have forgotten that there are some of us who have never had a single error in a civilization III game(like me ). Some people seem to think that because some people have a problem, suddenly, everyone has a problem, that's not the case. So, dan, what I'm trying to say is: for every one person here complaining there are a thousand more completely satisfied. Most of the people who come here to complain are the one's with problems. If more people who didn't have problems would speak up, maybe the environment around here wouldn't always be so hostile towards firaxis.