First Look: Sumeria

[fmm]

Guys, the video says they share pillage rewards and experience, not that they give pillage rewards and experience. I assume the sharing goes both ways.

Yes, this was my interpretation too.

 

[esoba]

Sumeria plus Scythia has potential to be hilariously dangerous.

I'm actually more worried about Sumeria and Rome. That Roman expansion drive and Sumeria's bonus to joining in...

 

[Seek]

I think you mixed up the UA and the Leader bonus. Gilgamesh is the one that depends on Joint Wars, and Sumeria is associated with the Epic Quest ability.

Good catch, thanks!

 

[stealth_nsk]

First there's the focus on barbarian camps. I read a post on this forum recently that argued those kinds of UAs are not very good, and I agree. Barbarians are simply not a reliable 'resource.' You might not find any camps at all in certain games, though I guess the donkey cart increases your chances quite a bit.

The building is good. Seems like they gave a strong building like this to an otherwise very mehh civ to balance it a bit.

The donkey cart is fine as well.

It's all about early game. Even barbarian focus fits here. The only really long-term bonus is Ziggurat and it's strong.

But what is this joint war thing about? I guess it sort of promotes you as an ally to other players in the game, but you don't benefit from the shared exp yourself that much. Does it even activate when the ally gains exp, transferring it to your own troops? Such an odd design, it sounds kinda useless...

We don't know whether the bonus works backward, but in general it looks like this. You have early access to Joint War and AI favors Joint Wars with you, so you could have some nice conquest.

As with other Sumer bonuses, the usefulness of it decreases later, after other civs gain access to joint wars too and war becomes less viable diplomatic solution.

 

[shyPiano]

The sharing bonuses of Sumeria are giving me flashbacks to Sweden's UA in Civ 5. What's the bet that the AI will once again be militaristic and hostile, thus making a joint war with it actually impossible?

And, as others mention, the unique kind of relies on your allies being competent enough to pillage and fight which seems like a bad thing to rely on. Just yuck on that ability.

It's worse than Sweden's UA - at least Sweden got +10% Great People generation per DoF. Here Gilgamesh gets nothing. Earlier Joint Wars, actually, but whatever, that doesn't seem that big of a bonus.

But I don't feel Gilgamesh as an AI will be aggressive - the video did claim he will be loyal to his friends and loves to help out.

 

[nitedemon]

Isn't Enkidu the "boyfriend" of Gilgamesh? So Both UA and LUA are about Gilgamesh?

Edit: oops just realized "Adventure of Enkidu" IS the LUA...

LUA - Epic Quest: When you capture a barbarian outpost, you get a tribal village reward.

UU - War Cart: No penalties to fighting Spearmen or other anti-cavalry units. Extra movement if starting on flat terrain. 30 strength.

UI - Ziggurat: Grants culture and if adjacent to a river, science. Cannot be built on a hill.

UA - Adventures with Enkidu: During a Joint War, Sumeria shares pillage rewards and combat experience with closest allied unit within 5 tiles.

Strange UA, doesn't do anything for the civ whatsoever, not sure how I feel about that..

 

[Sansa_Stark]

UI - Ziggurat: Grants culture and if adjacent to a river, science. Cannot be built on a hill.

I think its the other way around. Science always, and culture if adjacent to a river.

So really a early science civ finally. We have to wait to find out how effectively can you use this Ziggurats, since its early use will slow down growth (or at least would, in Civ 5 world).

That joint war ability looks confusing. Is is clear whether the other party shares Sumeria's experience and pillages too? And I also didn't get how experience is shared... So if some unit of Sumeria's ally gains experience, closest unit belonging to Sumeria gets it too?

 

[Seek]

The video specifically says "Sumeria shares .." which implies that it is unidirectional.

 

[Tinker]

Is that war cart being pulled by donkeys?

 

[Bonci]

I don't like this representation of Sumeria...it doesn't make much sense from an historical point of view.
But I like that they feel very unique, albeit in the wrong way :\

 

[Halcyan2]

The ziggaraut is definitely a super early science/culture bonus at least.

I love the abilities and I love the art but I agree the Joint War ability seems quite lame and really only useful in multiplayer (which I never play). It doesn't give the Sumerian player any bonuses, and I doubt the AI has been programmed to want to ally with Sumeria more because of it.

The video also seems to imply that Sumeria gets access to the Joint War mechanic earlier than the other civs (unless they also get Joint War with Foreign Trade).

 

[Scaramanga]

Guys, the video says they share pillage rewards and experience, not that they give pillage rewards and experience. I assume the sharing goes both ways.

I hope it goes both ways. I wouldn't want to be his "bro" if he got all the benefits and I didn't.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It's not my jam, but it's pretty cool.

 

[Tinker]

Of course Sumeria gets rewards shared by his ally their way, too. They're not going to make a UA which only benefits the other party.

 

[Seek]

I think its the other way around. Science always, and culture if adjacent to a river.

Oi, I'm full of fail this morning. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Is that war cart being pulled by donkeys?

Yes. Sumeria utilized Ass to pull carts into battle before horses were tame enough for the job.

 

[wildlumberjack]

Adventure Time (with Enkidu),
C'mon grab your friends,
We're going to very
distant lands. With
Gilgamesh the God and
Ziggurat the Building,
The fun will never
end, it's Adventure Time!

 

[Magil]

Something to consider: in all the streams and videos we've seen spearmen in the barb camps, which makes the war carts good for clearing them. Which ties into Epic Quest nicely.

 

[Balkans]

Gilgamesh was a gym rat.

 

[Guandao]

Wow! Gilgamesh looks like the Mesopotamian version of Heracles! Did Sumerian kings actually even dress like he does in the video?

Seems like both the civ ability and leader ability are based on the Epic of Gilgamesh. I feel like Sumer will be a one leader civ then. No civ ability that is specific to the Sumerian civilization...

War-Cart seems like a Generic name for a unit, they are using Varu instead of War Elephant for the Indians, why not research the Sumerian name for a chariot and use that?