Fix the 5th trash game

KMadCandy · Apr 27, 2007

well crap! i tried to load the save to play (hadn't actually played yet) and got a message about the save is protected to make sure my assets haven't been modified or whatever and the game closed.

i uninstalled/reinstalled about 4 times in the last 3 days for various reasons. i did make my own mod before that, for when my brain was 100% fried and i wanted an easy-peasy game, but i didn't alter a single thing in the real assets files. i looked thru the assets file again just now, and all the dates on all the files in the real xml folder (the only folder i changed in my mod) are from 2006 and earlier. so i do not know what is going on!

i am now about to uninstall and reinstall again. sheesh.

roland, sorry to see you go but i do understand. i don't even think you should feel bad. i bet we'd all agree that the main thing is to have fun. i like your style (always have), particularly in the newbie questions thread you're great at explaining things without making the poster feel stupid. i do vote for you sticking around to see how this game ends!

Roland Johansen · Apr 27, 2007

KMadCandy said:
well crap! i tried to load the save to play (hadn't actually played yet) and got a message about the save is protected to make sure my assets haven't been modified or whatever and the game closed.

i uninstalled/reinstalled about 4 times in the last 3 days for various reasons. i did make my own mod before that, for when my brain was 100% fried and i wanted an easy-peasy game, but i didn't alter a single thing in the real assets files. i looked thru the assets file again just now, and all the dates on all the files in the real xml folder (the only folder i changed in my mod) are from 2006 and earlier. so i do not know what is going on!

i am now about to uninstall and reinstall again. sheesh.

roland, sorry to see you go but i do understand. i don't even think you should feel bad. i bet we'd all agree that the main thing is to have fun. i like your style (always have), particularly in the newbie questions thread you're great at explaining things without making the poster feel stupid. i do vote for you sticking around to see how this game ends!

Thanks Kmadcandy.

Maybe the game still has some old cache file with the 'easy-peasy game rules for when your brain is 100% fried

'. You could try removing the cache directory. It can't hurt your game at all as it will be recreated as you start the game. The cache directory for warlords is located here:

C:\Documents and Settings\[Your name]\Application Data\My Games\Warlords

It also can't hurt to move the customassets directory to another spot so that the game doesn't try to load those rules.

pigswill · Apr 27, 2007

I'll probably post a summary but there's no point posting my save as I've already demonstrated my abillity to play trash.

KMadCandy · Apr 27, 2007

Roland Johansen said:
Maybe the game still has some old cache file with the 'easy-peasy game rules for when your brain is 100% fried '. You could try removing the cache directory. It can't hurt your game at all as it will be recreated as you start the game. The cache directory for warlords is located here:

C:\Documents and Settings\[Your name]\Application Data\My Games\Warlords

It also can't hurt to move the customassets directory to another spot so that the game doesn't try to load those rules.

thanks, trying that. customassets is empty, i put do all my modding (what little i do, just playing with xml) in the /mod directory. i know that warlords uses some files from vanilla, but i haven't played vanilla in a month, and never after i quit using the HoF mod, which also requires that your assets be the same, so there's no possible way those have been changed. having a nervous breakdown here! it didn't work on hubby's machine either, but that's not really a surprise, he likes modding civ4 much more than playing it and he probably has tweaked a thing or two.

my last option is to put vanilla in his drive, and uninstall/reinstall it here in case this save thinks those files are changed even tho they're not. i can't physically take warlords out of this drive or i'll spend 12 hours trying to get it working again. this is not an exaggeration, happened 2 days ago after a power failure and i spent $60 buying a digital download version of this game i already own a legal copy of, and it does not work for me. 12 hours later tho my drive again chose to recognize the physical disk thank goodness. so i'm like, kinda frustrated here!!!!!!!!! but installing from his machine does actually work (altho playing it on this machine wants the disk in this machine, not the drive i installed from).

i so am about to throw something out the window, but i'll try the cache thing, and then if necessary the uninstall/reinstall vanilla thing. sorry, just HAD to vent before i do the actual "try to fix this mess" process.

cabert · Apr 27, 2007

pigswill said:
I'll probably post a summary but there's no point posting my save as I've already demonstrated my abillity to play trash.

yep, you're immune
you can still post a save, if you think it has some educationnal value (like a succesful war or another civic choice with interesting results)

Roland Johansen · Apr 27, 2007

KMadCandy said:
thanks, trying that. customassets is empty, i put do all my modding (what little i do, just playing with xml) in the /mod directory. i know that warlords uses some files from vanilla, but i haven't played vanilla in a month, and never after i quit using the HoF mod, which also requires that your assets be the same, so there's no possible way those have been changed. having a nervous breakdown here! it didn't work on hubby's machine either, but that's not really a surprise, he likes modding civ4 much more than playing it and he probably has tweaked a thing or two.

my last option is to put vanilla in his drive, and uninstall/reinstall it here in case this save thinks those files are changed even tho they're not. i can't physically take warlords out of this drive or i'll spend 12 hours trying to get it working again. this is not an exaggeration, happened 2 days ago after a power failure and i spent $60 buying a digital download version of this game i already own a legal copy of, and it does not work for me. 12 hours later tho my drive again chose to recognize the physical disk thank goodness. so i'm like, kinda frustrated here!!!!!!!!! but installing from his machine does actually work (altho playing it on this machine wants the disk in this machine, not the drive i installed from).

i so am about to throw something out the window, but i'll try the cache thing, and then if necessary the uninstall/reinstall vanilla thing. sorry, just HAD to vent before i do the actual "try to fix this mess" process.

Whenever computers don't do what they're supposed to do for some kind of weird reason, it is frustrating.

I just remembered that the 'application data' directory is a hidden directory (on my computer at least), so you need to be able to see hidden directories (tools -> folder options -> view -> show hidden files and folders).

Good luck.

KMadCandy · Apr 27, 2007

OMG OMG even clearing the cache and reinstalling warlords didn't work :badcomp:

!!!!!

until i remembered that i had to patch it to 2.08

. i've reinstalled it 4 freaking times already this week, you'd think i'd have the process down to a science by now :smoke:

.

so here we go, i'm gonna go get beat up now ... errrr i mean play the game and do my bestest.

shyuhe · Apr 27, 2007

trash game here I come :lol:

Honestly, if you choose this save, the game's down the toilet as you can't recover.

Spoiler :

So I got the worst luck of everybody and actually got a dow by Cyrus halfway through my turn set. IT wrecked everything that came after it as I had to swap into theocracy adopting hinduism + whipping elephants everywhere to counter his knights. And no engineering sucks when defending against knights

Here are the details (I played the set in pieces so I may not remember everything):

I started the set by taking peace with Brennus when he showed up with his SOD. I took HBR, currency, and fishing. However, in 1020 AD, Cyrus adopts theocracy... Bad news...

I continue researching paper in 1070, then trade for thelogy + sailing in 1090. IN 1110, I trade for calendar + MC, and against all odds, I get a GP in 1160 in Delhi

This is after having run pacifism and running 5-6 scientists in the city :mad:

Well, all this didn't matter when Cyrus declares war in 1170. I grab Sardis a few times but Cyrus takes it back - he has way too much power, and he's up a few critical military techs like... machinery and engineering and guilds :lol:

I try to hold on for a while though.

Feudalism is completed in 1270 for longbows on defense (elephants just aren't cutting it) and then I beg literature off of Bismarck in 1290. In 1340, I finally get peace with Cyrus in exchange for giving him the southern city that we took from Brennus. I then proceed to trade philosophy to him for some cash and switch into judaism and push him to pleased to avoid that nightmare again. However, the damage has been done as now, Brennus is a vassal of Cyrus and Cyrus has rifles (that's why I took peace as there was no way I was going to make gains against him). In 1380, I finally complete education which I trade to Cyrus for gunpowder + drama, and then I realize that I've hit WFYABTA with Bismarck. Need to push him up to friendly to milk him for more techs...

Basically, just about everything that could go wrong went wrong during this set

I wouldn't choose this as the trash game if you guys want to win though... There is simply not enough land to win a space victory.

pigswill · Apr 27, 2007

That's the end of the good news:

Spoiler :

Giaur · Apr 27, 2007

Another trashy save ...

Spoiler :

Details another day :king:

shyuhe · Apr 27, 2007

Giaur, you got the exact same scenario that I did. Nice to know I'm not the only one with bad luck here

You handled it a lot better though, as you had some critical techs that I didn't have :lol:

FeedBack · Apr 27, 2007

Well, I could make it.
I read some reports now... I don't think I got THAT bad.

And Giaur... Could you please elaborate a little bit more??? :please:

Spoiler :

@cabert: is this only me, or haven't you posted your save?

KMadCandy · Apr 27, 2007

i'm still playing. i haven't been killed off yet

i think i spent literally an hour on turn 0 obsessing and debating over every little thing :lol:

it will be posted soonish.

cabert · Apr 28, 2007

fbelintani said:
@cabert: is this only me, or haven't you posted your save?

fixed, good catch

KMadCandy · Apr 28, 2007

umm captain? slowpoke here is still going but i just did something amazing. i met someone new and he likes me a lot right away, our trades have been forthright and fair ... since i clicked "please accept this gift" instead of "what would you give me for this" when trying to trade when i first met him :smoke:

. my plan is to reload from the autosave and do what i was going to do since it was a misclick and definitely NOT what i meant to do! *giggle*

but a case could be made that it is indeed evidence of true trashiness and should be left in. i kept a copy of the autosave with a real name, so that it wouldn't be written over, in case i really ought to play it out and live with my fingers doing the wrong thing. i'll check back here in a few minutes to see if you respond right away, in the meantime i'm still trying to stay alive

pigswill · Apr 28, 2007

I don't know what cabert would say but my opinion would be to reload and play the move you intended (on the other hand I wish I'd thouht about giving away a tech on first contact, it tends to be a strong move).

KMadCandy · Apr 28, 2007

it can be a strong move. but it was my strongest tech, so in this case it would hurt in the end i think!!!!

cabert · Apr 28, 2007

wrong button pushed?
this is not a gotm, I trust you to not try to change more than your error, so yes, reload and do it right this time

and hum, it's about time

KMadCandy · Apr 28, 2007

yeah i fell asleep sitting here playing :lol:

. i have to hit enter 4 more times, then i'll upload the save, but not my notes cuz you know me, they're way too long. i'll go to bed and then prune them down when i wake up.

Giaur · Apr 28, 2007

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