For some reason the first time I saw Alexander with Aggressive I was confused...

[Illusion13]

In Civ 3, Greece was largely a scientific researching Civ, not very specialized in war at all... And the Greek nation has been known for its scientific acheivements in history... So I was really weirded out about Alexander getting the Aggressive trait...

Then I remembered that Alexander was a military guy... >.>

I mean, my first reaction was like "Just when was Greece a warmonger?!"

 

[lz14]

yeah I learnt this the hard way.

 

[rupertlittlebea]

You mean Alexander the guy who tried to conquer the world?

 

[ShaLouZa]

And wasn't even Greek but Macedonian...

Greeks were warriors. Each city-state has fought the others ones for centurys, until they unite and start fighting their neighbours (Troy, Persia, etc.). Their taste for war is what allowed them some major military progress which gives them the strentgh to defeat bigger empires.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Alexander's empire at it's height:

 

[Illusion13]

Yeah... I know...

"But... but... Isnt Alexander a PEACEFUL guy?" >.>

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[Sahkuhnder]

I'm not certain of the historical accuracy of this quote, but it sure seems to be a good match for a conquerors personality.

"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer."

 

[King Jason]

As awesome of a quote that is, It is infact inaccurate/fictional.

Read a bit of this; http://www.pothos.org/alexander.asp?paraID=96

Alexander was a Conqueror, yes. But he wasn't quite a warmongering type (in the context that he didn't want to spend his entire life fighting a war), He believed it was his dream to unite the world in Greek Culture. Believing that Greek Culture was the light in the dark, barbaric world, so to speak. Which explains why he made every effort in adopting and spreading the cultures of the lands he conquered through out his own empire. Biggest example is Persia, in the conquest of Persia he mandated that mixture/adaptation of many greek and persian customs, to make the assimilation of the persians easier. He even took on a Persian wife. He wanted to be viewed as a philospher-king believe it or not, it was his dream to unite the world, then lead it into it's golden age.

Unfortunately... he died.

 

[Hristo]

I'm not certain of the historical accuracy of this quote, but it sure seems to be a good match for a conquerors personality.

"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer."

I have heard/read the same quote for Napoleon to

 

[player1 fanatic]

First and foremost traits are not avarded to civilizations, but to leaders.

Second, the Alexandar Philosophical trait pretty much covers Greek mentality.

 

[Danghis Khan]

why the hell is alexandar the a greek leader. He was macedonian.

Yeah, and what about Napoleon, he was Corsican. And shouldn't Fredrick be Prussian?

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Yeah, and what about Napoleon, he was Corsican. And shouldn't Fredrick be Prussian?

Agreed, Hitler was Austrian and Stalin was from Georgia.

 

[budweiser]

Don't forget Catherine, she was German or Prussian, not Russian.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Don't forget Catherine, she was German or Prussian, not Russian.

Victoria was a good part German by both blood and marriage as well.

 

[Artanis]

why the hell is alexandar the a greek leader. He was macedonian.

I'm fairly sure that it went something like this...


Macedon: Hello!

Greece: What the heck do you want?

Macedon: Hey, that's no way to talk to a fellow Greek!

Greece: "Greek"? Pfft, you aren't Greek. Go away and quit bugging us.

Macedon:

Greece: Okay! Okay! You're Greek! You're Greek!

 

[player1 fanatic]

why the hell is alexandar the a greek leader. He was macedonian.

Thanks to his father conquests.

 

[budweiser]

I have to think that if Alexander had not died suddenly, then Rome would never have risen to such great prominence and the world would be a very different place today.

 

[Cdrommel]

I'm fairly sure that it went something like this...


Macedon: Hello!

Greece: What the heck do you want?

Macedon: Hey, that's no way to talk to a fellow Greek!

Greece: "Greek"? Pfft, you aren't Greek. Go away and quit bugging us.

Macedon:

Greece: Okay! Okay! You're Greek! You're Greek!

Kind of like with Rome and Greece.

Rome: Oh look, Greeks.

Greece: We're not Greeks, we're Hellenes.

Rome:

Greece: Okay okay! we're Greeks.



But anyway, them Greeks were really militaristic, since all they ever had time to do besides be philosophers was to beat each other up. It wasn't until the Hellenistic age, after Alex took a dirt nap, that all the scientific crap we associate with Greece really started to happen. And the Hellenistic world was Greece (what was left of it after they all killed each other), Macedon, Asia Minor, Egypt, and the Middle East.

 

[budweiser]

It's almost as if the became pacifists after they discovered philosophy in order to maximize their GPP production and used the great leaders to rush wonders like the Great Library and the Great Lighthouse.

Oh but first they captured the pyramids and the hanging gardens to maximise their chance of getting engineers.

 

[King Jason]

I have to think that if Alexander had not died suddenly, then Rome would never have risen to such great prominence and the world would be a very different place today.

I can almost gaurantee that the Greek empire would have encompassed the scope of what the Roman empire became, and the great city of the world (Rome) would instead be Alexandria, in Egypt.


Also, Alexander WAS a very philosophical person, infact, he was even taught by Aristotle, one of the greatest Philosophers in the history of the WORLD. Like I said in my above post, Alexander often viewed himself as a Philospher-king, and believe it was a divine duty of sorts to spread the greek culture and customs to the world.

and, on him being a Greek leader, Yes, he was Macedonian. But the Macedonian people were quick to adopt the cultures of their greek Neighbors. Also, Alexanders father had already conquered many greek city-states to which alexander inherited. Through out his conquest, Alexander would often remind his followers and make claims how all his work is for the glory of greece, eventually becoming the sort of self-proclaimed king of all greek states - after all many of the Major armies of the greek states fought on his behalf. So basically, the zenith of greek power and prosperity occured around Alexanders time - thus he's an obvious choice for a leaderhead. That, and people can easily identify with him as oposed to other leaders.

actually, here's a quote from Alexander that sort of shows my point; "How great are the dangers I face to win a good name in Athens. "