Forced Birth Control with Welfare

[ShannonCT]

Ordinary working people are subject to drug screening when they work on certain government projects on behalf of their company. But really, why is it a burden for a CEO to take a drug screeen?

It's not (unless they're using). Just make everyone take one. Why is it a burden for everyone to take a drug test? Anyone taking illegal drugs without a prescription is breaking the law and should be punished.

 

[JollyRoger]

It's not (unless they're using). Just make everyone take one. Why is it a burden for everyone to take a drug test? Anyone taking illegal drugs without a prescription is breaking the law and should be punished.

And we have finally made it to the end of your slipperly slope.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Why is it a burden for everyone to take a drug test?

Screening the entire population consistantly and effectively would cost a bloody fortune for one.

 

[ainwood]

@JollyRoger

Not many people think that all things belong to the government. If the government reduces taxes, it is not giving you money but taking less of it away.

Heresy! All money is the governments money. You must be grateful for any that they let you keep, and even more grateful for any money that they take from you in taxes, churn around in the bureaucracy, and then give back to you in the form of welfare. Its not yours!

 

[ShannonCT]

And we have finally made it to the end of your slipperly slope.

It's your slope we're slipping down. You proposed drug testing for people who are at low risk for dependency and for the negative consequences of drug use.

Screening the entire population consistantly and effectively would cost a bloody fortune for one.

Of course. I'm just slipping down Jolly's slope.

 

[JollyRoger]

It's your slope we're slipping down. You proposed drug testing for people who are at low risk for dependency and for the negative consequences of drug use.

The top of that slope was the OP of this thread which was toned down by the MB modifier. Who started this thread again?

 

[Murky]

People who receive government assistance are required to attend life skills classes that teach things like family planning. No one is being forced to take birth control. If they were, it would absurd and in violation the constitution.

 

[ShannonCT]

The top of that slope was the OP of this thread which was toned down by the MB modifier. Who started this thread again?

I'm sorry. This thread started in the Valley of Reason, but you dragged it up to the Mountain of Confusion, and now here it lies in the Pit of Nonsense.

 

[JollyRoger]

I'm sorry. This thread started in the Valley of Reason, but you dragged it up to the Mountain of Confusion, and now here it lies in the Pit of Nonsense.

What is reasonable about purposely cutting off breeding from the lower classes? Who is going to work for the drugged up CEO's during the next few generations? If the lower classes don't breed, it becomes a downward mobility trend, because somebody has to do those jobs at the low end of the spectrum.

 

[MobBoss]

Where did I say cash payout? It is less cash in the hands if the government, and thanks to the subsidy, more assets in control of the coproration.

Whose assets are they to begin with? THE CORPORATIONS. Think about it.

I am out of this conversation - it has gone over the edge into idiocy land.

If people want to discuss the merits of people on welfare being drug tested or something at least close to what the topic is on this thread fine. But the corporate drug testing thing is just getting tired and really, really stupid.

 

[JollyRoger]

Whose assets are they to begin with? THE CORPORATIONS. Think about it.

I am out of this conversation - it has gone over the edge into idiocy land.

If people want to discuss the merits of people on welfare being drug tested or something at least close to what the topic is on this thread fine. But the corporate drug testing thing is just getting tired and really, really stupid.

When the tax bill comes and there is not the possibility of claiming a tax break, legally the money is the governments. Want a better day on tax day? Get drug screened and get your tax break.

 

[ainwood]

Moderator Action: OK - lets get this discussion back on-topic. For those of you who forgot, its not about corporate welfare. If you want to discuss that, then feel free to start a separate thread for it.

 

[ShannonCT]

Who is going to work for the drugged up CEO's during the next few generations?

The Fem-Bots of course.

If the lower classes don't breed, it becomes a downward mobility trend, because somebody has to do those jobs at the low end of the spectrum.

Now you sound like Zell Miller. Kids born in the worst possible circumstances do not help our economy. They just make the parents more dependent on the government and have a high chance of being non-contributing members of society. If you want the "lower classes" to breed, at least help them wait until they're in a better position to breed, i.e., employed, healthy, and armed with good information.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Now you sound like Zell Miller. Kids born in the worst possible circumstances do not help our economy. They just make the parents more dependent on the government and have a high chance of being non-contributing members of society. If you want the "lower classes" to breed, at least help them wait until they're in a better position to breed, i.e., employed, healthy, and armed with good information.

They help the economy in exactly the same way as immigrant do. They provide cheap labour and the surplus population keeps earnings down for everyone else. This ain't great for us, but in economic terms it is.

 

[JollyRoger]

How do people feel about a hypothetical policy requiring women (and possibly men) who receive government assistance to receive birth control implants/injections as a condition of that assistance?

I think that we should consider not allowing anyone who receives any form of government assistance to breed.

 

[MobBoss]

I feel that anybody receiving any form of government assistance should not be allowed to breed.

Question: Did you take out any federal guarenteed student loans to pay for college or any federal education aid?

Because I find it extremely unlikely that you didnt in pursuing your law degree.

 

[ShannonCT]

They help the economy in exactly the same way as immigrant do. They provide cheap labour and the surplus population keeps earnings down for everyone else. This ain't great for us, but in economic terms it is.

Immigrants are more motivated to work in low paying jobs than people born into poverty locally. Immigrants are willing to begin their careers with a lower standard of living because they don't have government support to fall back on, and because they are accustomed to more austere lifestyles. And the US government doesn't have to pay to raise them in their pre-work years.

I think that we should consider not allowing anyone who receives any form of government assistance to breed.

A little rope-a-dope eh? Nice.

 

[JollyRoger]

Question: Did you take out any federal guarenteed student loans to pay for college or any federal education aid?

Because I find it extremely unlikely that you didnt in pursuing your law degree.

I didn't have a child while in law school, but it would have been even more fun if I knew everybody was either rich or on forced birth control.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Immigrants are more motivated to work in low paying jobs than people born into poverty locally. Immigrants are willing to begin their careers with a lower standard of living because they don't have government support to fall back on, and because they are accustomed to more austere lifestyles. And the US government doesn't have to pay to raise them in their pre-work years.

I assume you have some way of backing up your statement?

I didn't have a child while in law school, but it would have been even more fun if I knew everybody was either rich or on forced birth control.

Pffft, wussie. Baby Roulette is any everyday pastime of us lower classes.

 

[ShannonCT]

I assume you have some way of backing up your statement?

I'll throw you a bone even though you haven't backed up yours...

From the Brookings Institution, on restrictions on government assistance faced by non-citizens: http://www.brookings.edu/es/research/projects/wrb/publications/pb/pb15.htm