Fort 'cheat' - is it a bug ? or design fault ?

[Pilotis]

Build a fort on an oil square. You get oil as soon as you discover combustion. No need to build a well. (O.K. the local city doesn't get full benefit but destroyers are an overwhelming advantage over 'sail' !!!) T'ain't right.

 

[H&K]

Fort 'cheat' - is it a bug ? or design fault ?

None

Forts do this for every resourse, and so your argument would also hold for Iron, or Horses etc.

FORTs collect resources

 

[Galatian]

But they only do it in your own borders right?

 

[azzaman333]

But they only do it in your own borders right?

You are correct.

 

[toft]

isnt that feature a bit stupid? Unless theres a river or lake of oil, then they have to drill.

 

[azzaman333]

It was designed to give forts a purpose, as they had been constant complaints about it being a useless tile improvement.

 

[toft]

Then it would have been more cool to have an upgrade option with the worker unit. Something like road to railroad, eg. a fort can be upgraded with radar or whatever to increase the visual range. Or make them expand cultural borders...

 

[jkp1187]

isnt that feature a bit stupid? Unless theres a river or lake of oil, then they have to drill.

Not at all. You can also build a city on the oil resource and get the same result as soon as combustion is discovered.

 

[toft]

Not at all. You can also build a city on the oil resource and get the same result as soon as combustion is discovered.

I guess thats stupid in my book too then

 

[lobster]

You get the resource with forts but not the economical benefit of the improvements (oil well, pasture, etc).

 

[LedHead]

Also forts cost about twice as many turns to build. That and no "worked square" bonus (+ for mine) balances their use.

 

[ggganz]

So? This doesn't make much difference anyway, as on normal speed a well would only take 9 turns to build AT THE LONGEST.

 

[_alphaBeta_]

It comes in handy for this old scenario. You have a city near the cost and it's culture engulfs a small landmass next to the city (but no connection via land). To get a resource on such a landmass you would need to put a city there. Now, you can put a fort there and finally be able to get this resource.

Forts act as cities for resources, city-specific promotions and healing.

 

[ggganz]

It comes in handy for this old scenario. You have a city near the cost and it's culture engulfs a small landmass next to the city (but no connection via land). To get a resource on such a landmass you would need to put a city there. Now, you can put a fort there and finally be able to get this resource.

Forts act as cities for resources, city-specific promotions and healing.

Yeah, but... A WELL CAN ALSO DO THAT!

 

[_alphaBeta_]

Yeah, but... A WELL CAN ALSO DO THAT!

No it cannot.

If you put a well there it would need to be connected via road to a river. If the well has a road and is on the coast, this is NOT sufficient enough for you to receive the resource. Before it would still need to be connected to a city, now you can use a fort instead of the city.

 

[jkp1187]

I guess thats stupid in my book too then

It's not a very good book, then....

 

[SewerStarFish]

It comes in handy for this old scenario. You have a city near the cost and it's culture engulfs a small landmass next to the city (but no connection via land). To get a resource on such a landmass you would need to put a city there. Now, you can put a fort there and finally be able to get this resource.

Forts act as cities for resources, city-specific promotions and healing.

Ohhhh! Hadn't thought of that. You just made my day -- Thanks.

 

[Pilotis]

To 'get' the resource there should be some way of needing e.g. a well (for oil) AND the fort.

Like I said at the start "(O.K. the local city doesn't get full benefit but destroyers are an overwhelming advantage over 'sail' !!!) T'ain't right."

I still say ''Tain't right".

 

[ggganz]

No it cannot.

If you put a well there it would need to be connected via road to a river. If the well has a road and is on the coast, this is NOT sufficient enough for you to receive the resource. Before it would still need to be connected to a city, now you can use a fort instead of the city.

Hm, how can I put this... YOU'RE WRONG. It's as simple as that.
I did a WB test. Make a 5X5 lake and put a single land tile in the center. Give yourself territory over the whole lake, and a city right next to it (or away from it, connected by river). Put Oil, well, and road on the land tile and give yourself cumbustion and scientific method. YOU WILL HAVE THE OIL.

 

[Sexton]

Hm, how can I put this... YOU'RE WRONG. It's as simple as that.
I did a WB test. Make a 5X5 lake and put a single land tile in the center. Give yourself territory over the whole lake, and a city right next to it (or away from it, connected by river). Put Oil, well, and road on the land tile and give yourself cumbustion and scientific method. YOU WILL HAVE THE OIL.

That might be because it's a lake. Did you make a WB test with the separating water mass being a ocean? In other words the land mass being a small island off your coast and not an island in a lake you control?