Is It Possible To Lose a Triple Gem Start on Monarch?

[sampsa]

Until you mentioned it earlier in this thread, gifting a city had never occurred to me. Will it really keep her off my back for a significant amount of time? (I really don't know anything about how diplo works).

It's +4 for fair trade and +1 liberation if you can settle close enough to her capital (I don't remember the exact details, maybe it needs to be closer to her capital than to any other capital?). So it will get her to pleased which allows begging (at cautious you are threatening her). Since you have currency, beg for say 10.

I only have 10 workers. Building more is on my radar, but until I know what I'm going to with them...

10 is plenty, though you might want some more at IW.

 

[soundjata]

I don't remember the exact details, maybe it needs to be closer to her capital than to any other capital?

It's any city when AI has less than 5 cities or any city that is less than 9 tiles away from AI cap (diagonal distance = 1.5)

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

When the computer gets cranky because you stole a worker from the barbs...

Spoiler The RNG hates me :

 

[AcaMetis]

Could be worse. I've lost two Cavalry to a barb Sword before .

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

Well, Boudica went from Pleased one turn to annoyed and declared war on me the next turn. Not entirely sure how to process that.

 

[sampsa]

You needed to beg a small amount of gold when at pleased!

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

You needed to beg a small amount of gold when at pleased!

Ack! That's the bit I missed! Thanks. Also, doesn't that only buy me 10 turns of peace? I guess I use those 10T to ramp up my military in anticipation?

 

[sampsa]

Yes, but there is also a decent possibility that the beg makes the fist go away.

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

Ok. Now I'm even more confused. So, the fist didn't go away. Just before the 10T were up, I begged for more gold, which appeared to give me another 10 turns of peace (yay!). Two turns later, she cancelled the peace treaty and declared on me.

Spoiler Just a rant. Feel free to ignore. :

I'm not convinced this whole peaceful expansion thing is even possible. I'm going back to the sword.

 

[sampsa]

Just before the 10T were up, I begged for more gold, which appeared to give me another 10 turns of peace (yay!). Two turns later, she cancelled the peace treaty and declared on me.

Hmm, if it worked she shouldn't be able to cancel it. Unless there is a bug with multiple peace treaties.

Also consider the possibility of letting her attack. In general if you have catapults and some units you should be able to defend and counterattack.

 

[AcaMetis]

Hmm, if it worked she shouldn't be able to cancel it. Unless there is a bug with multiple peace treaties.

IIRC there is, in fact. Specifically:

Just before the 10T were up, I begged for more gold, which appeared to give me another 10 turns of peace (yay!). Two turns later, she cancelled the peace treaty and declared on me.

Getting another peace treaty before the existing peace treaty has expired lets you cancel both treaties if you cancel the first one. I don't know if the first one expiring naturally automatically cancels the second one, as well.

 

[jorissimo]

IIRC there is, in fact. Specifically:

Getting another peace treaty before the existing peace treaty has expired lets you cancel both treaties if you cancel the first one. I don't know if the first one expiring naturally automatically cancels the second one, as well.

Yep, something like this has happened to me before. You need to cancel the existing treaty on the turn it runs out before begging again.

 

[pigswill]

Another thing to consider is there's no guarantee of getting Oracle in 150bc, playing a shadow of your start and Oracle went 800bc. Some games it can go 1500bc, other games 500ad. Playing for Oracle>CS is a gamble, great when it works, not great if it doesn't.

 

[Fish Man]

Another thing to consider is there's no guarantee of getting Oracle in 150bc, playing a shadow of your start and Oracle went 800bc. Some games it can go 1500bc, other games 500ad. Playing for Oracle>CS is a gamble, great when it works, not great if it doesn't.

My Oracle date was around 850BC. On monarch you can usually afford to try for it that late. And even if you fail to get it, on a map like this, math + CoL aren't bad pickups. You can just then hard-tech CS yourself or pivot over to HBR/construction rush with the bajillion commerce you have.