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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by FoolontheHill, Oct 3, 2006.

  1. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    I'll try and play tonight but I'm totally swamped at work and may stay late. If not tonight I should be able to play tomorrow.

    (5 1/2 hours later) yeah right like that was really going to happen. Why do I try and fool myself like that....

    And since we totally shirked any work ethic we go!

    Initial obs: Lots of promotions going on but I think it was wise to keep them in the pocket. Not sure what we are doing yet and I like that they are on standby (I wish I could do this in my single games) until we know excactly what we are doing with the fodder. If we get drawn into a war or if on the hind end we are forced to resort to defend it is always nice to have the right unit there, I owe you a beer for that, good play.

    The northern barb city has stone....if we get that it could get us a, well not a corner, but a local monopoly on the market that we could exploit to our advantage. \

    We need a serious production city. We have some satisfactory ones (upsala and Nidaros) but neither are up to my standard. Unfortunatly we will probaly not get one in this game, then again I always have a high hope for the Uber-Production city that I got one time early in my career so we should be fine.....spoiled kid = spoiled b1tch. Upsalla is a not going to be producing much soon.....it has no food but milk it while we can!

    Get on with it you! {eye poke blocked but didn't see the other hand with a hammer, top of the head hurts.so does Larry laughing, gets a head butt} Did you know Curly was ashamed of his hair because only little kids shaved them then? sorry OT

    So we start....finally.

    1) 175 AD: We got Theology but it slips off our minds real quick...."Just because we understand your way's does not meen we will embrace them.....yet"
    -Nidaros completes Trading Post. I'm stll not going to revolt to slavery, first, I do it but I rarely whip, and at this point we should use the pop to work all that is available and I don't want the interruption on the research ...you all are welcome to but I do not think it prudent right now.

    2) 200 AD: Finally we have another cottage.
    I start trading Theo. Probably should have done that last turn but I forgot.
    We want Monarchy.. Only Hanny or Lizzy want to give it to us. I trade it to Lizzy first since she throws in a bonus



    Revolution? Yes And I think I can wait on Han for a couple of turns so I don't right now.

    3) 225 AD: Hannibal wants the OB

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    Aaahhh...c'mon could you resist that dazed look. Plus I don't see he will do much harm, already he will grab anything and we have nor land we can't.
     
  2. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    And it goes and Goes>>>>>>>>>

    4) 250AD: Lizzy dares to ask if we want to join in the killing! Yes we need to keep her as a freind but even if we wanted too we couldn't at this time so I say no.
    So we ask around...
    Everyone almost has calender, but HC and us, and most have currency so we shop around the mall of knowledge........not a whole lot and it smells like someone deepfried my shoe, so we make a trade to someone else............



    But since we need to get up to the slap happy people
    We still get Calendar from HC...But that will obsolete monuments. Libraries are more important then ever!

    5) 275AD: Troop redeployment. Hannibal wants us to convert.......We can't afford the negatives so we say no.

    6) 300AD: Worker redeployment to chop courthouse in Uppsala..only chopping grass at this point since will cottage them, most likely.

    7) 350AD: Start the Great Lighthouse in Nidaros.
    Why? We will need the trade routes plus I want to keep this;



    The upshoot tile the in middle. It should be ours and I am not goin' to lose it, once that is gone it is only a matter of time before we get our borders reduced. I know it's not the critical one but I want it!
     
  3. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    Which will leave us at the last post for me now....I get into this sometimes.

    8) 350AD: Move around workers and troops.

    9) 375AD: Barbs got swords!

    10) 400AD: We are building.


    Final thoughts: Haniibal has taken the west but not the south. We could chop a settler or;



    I like this city. We have to wait for it to grow to 2 but I positioned three axes, WSW of Nidaros (2 with city raider) and the third has a promotion to give, up on the hill. I say get it..At the very least it will justify my dubious choice for the Great Lighthouse:lol:

    We are sitting at negative 12 (with a very modest bank account) so lets at least try and keep it up. I kept on paper but I think we can switch now witout losing any research due to memory so maybe try for...well it is hard right now.

    Horseback Riding...cats are nulled
    Construction: Elephants if we can find someone with ivory. What is "Bridge Building" I never noticed that before? Colloseums will give us happy citizens that we will need soon.
    Metal Casting: If the colossus is still available I always am a fan.
    We are good for healthy so forges would be very, very nice! Never built many workshops but...we do have a good amount of plains. Put a few of those around (even if temp) and we could get back in this, hopefully.

    Since Metal Casting is twice as long as all the others and well.....I should have started it but I don't think it will hurt us. You know they are...ooohh I just took a look at my end turn.
    !!! Yes they are going for paper so sorry!
    We could still trade it to a few:sad:

    At least we are going 100 , even though it is not quite what you want to see from 100 but...............Plus unless they changed this is Warlords, overflow of hammers only equals half of what you were building so don't go changing on a chopping turn to troops unless we really need it!

    Still say take the south BARB city as soon as you feel comfy, and warm, with a nice cup of cocoa.

    Give them them the triple slap!

    Get your poke one!

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  4. FoolontheHill

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    Great job on the report Baru!

    I'd like Anasazi a bit more if it were one tile to the NW. It would pick up horses and drop a couple of weak ocean tiles. Would lose the health bonus from the river though.

    Since we are able to run 100% research with a manageable loss, I'd say it is time for more cities. We will need to be pretty big mid game to be able to stay with the other civs and since war is going to be an iffy prospect with this variant, we need to grab all the space we can as long as we can manage the cost. So, we may want to go ahead and grab both barb cities soon, even though my preference would be to raze Anasazi and move it one tile, I can live with it where it is depending on the group preference.

    We also probably need to think about a war strategy. We will need to jump in one at some point to gain land, but I agree with Baru that now was not the time. Who do we want to stay friends with and who do we want to take land from?

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  5. douglas_21

    douglas_21 Chieftain

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    400- I see we need more cities- I assemble a force of 4 axes to take Anasazi- probably guarded by 2 archers.

    425- Forest grows near Uppsala! :) Why a guerilla archer in Birka?

    450- Our cows for Incan wines- 1 more city size here we come. Did some MM.

    475- Start temple in Haithabu for the culture war.

    500- Our axemen charge towards Anasazi.

    520- Incans ask for war on the English. Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk! They have long bows! Sneaky AI increased defenses by 50% (2 to 3 archers) as we approached


    540- Birka's borders pop. Carthagian forces of a chariot and archer are outside Anasazi.


    Where are those Malinese soldiers going, and why?? Mali is not at war...if they just want to look at our lands, why send 3 units?

    560- Taoism FIDL, England now a theocracy.
    La-la-la, la-la-la... The carthagians want anasazi too.


    580- England wants OB. No! Mmmmmmmmh! I want your land.

    Into battle for Anasazi the Vikings enter.


    Whoop-whoop-whoop-whoop!



    I'm a victim of soicumstance!


    600- Lucky carthage takes the city with their damaged chariot.

    Was hoping they would just weaken the defenses for us. Mansa razed the barb city north of Haithabu...looks like we should take some english cities. We need to get forges up, theocracy up, and build swords & catapults.

    620- HC gets peace with England- darn. Temple- sword in Haithabu (you may want to change this) We get paper! I get us Construction/HR/Currency/a world map/MC and 160 gold. Not bad for the AI's almost beating us to it.

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  6. Cosmichail

    Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith

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    Too bad about that city we really could have used it. The main reason is this. We are land locked and harbour locked too. Had a look at the save and I have to say this is definitely a three stooges game. We only have four cities and no where to go. I know we can't declare war but unless we grab more land I hate to say this game is finished before we get anywhere. Hannibal is already a monster but an ally. Mansa is teching away and hopefully we can trade Education for some good techs.

    If we are asked to declare on Wang I certainly will agree since he is the closest and easiest prey at this point.

    Douglas I think you should have let Carthage waste his troops instead of weakening ours so that he could take the city. Of course what is done is done and no sense looking back but it's just too bad.

    We need to do something to get us out of this locked position and during my turn will do what it will take to remedy that. We desperately need civil service for irrigation as all our cities can't grow without farms. Nidaros is the only one that has farms.

    Hopefully England might declare but I looked and she has no intention of attacking. It won't do much good fighting longbows with swords. We need the famous Berserkers to deal with them and of course cats. Wang would be a much better prey so will see what happens. This is I got it and am playing now.
     
  7. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    Yeah this is not looking good. I was betting on taking the Barb city but to tell the truth I would have probably gone for it with four axemen (two with CR, one with a unknown promo and one newly created). Hannibal probably wouldn't attack the city unless we attacked first. That has happened to me many times, turning into two rival civs just sitting and waiting outside a barb city. But I have always found it much more effective to attack first with the non-upgraded (Please say you did upgrade that axe) or not CR troops first then the bonus for the CR ones really takes affect.

    Since at the end of my turn we could only go to war if Hannibal asked us try and build up another AI's relations while building a small stack of "land poachers" to follow around one of their stacks to try and grab some cities after they are weakend.

    Just an idea
     
  8. Cosmichail

    Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith

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    Sorry for the late post but here it is:

    Turn 1

    HC asks for OB refuse. Woop woop wise guy aye



    Turn 2

    We build the Great Lighthouse.
    Nidaros starts an axe



    Turn 3

    zzzzz

    Turn 4

    Nidaros finishes axe start forge

    Turn 5

    We are certainly locked in by the AI. No room to expand except tundra.

    Turn 6

    Two barb axes approaching Haithabu

    Turn 7

    Birka finishes library start chariot for axes.

    Turn 8

    Kill one barb axe one more to go. Start a farm a Birka.

    Turn 9

    We loose a cottage to a barb axe.

    Turn 10

    Kill second barb axe


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  9. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    The GL was really betting on getting the barb city but hell when does a wonder hurt.

    Fool, you have the work of hercules set out before you.
    I would say chop all that we have to get libraries and whatever we can to get reseasch up to par. :cry:
     
  10. FoolontheHill

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    Whaddya talkin about Porcupine!!

    I don't think things look bleak at all!! Maybe because we got a couple of play pretties this time......






    The HG is a nice to have, but Sankore is a help. 2 extra beakers for Confucian buildings! Make sure that temples and monasteries are a priority everywhere short term.

    About the only other things that happened is that I have two settlers started. One for a banana/sugar city in the south where the archer is and one for the iron/stone city in the north. The barb city isn't growing past one so it should auto raze so we need a settler there to refound as soon as we take it. I have our axes and sword there waiting on the settler. Don't take the city until the settler is in place or we may get the spot poached by Hannibal. Those are probably the last two cities we can fit in. There will be some overlap, but they are worth founding. There is a spot for a fish/silver fishing village in the far north that we may want to grab. Silver would be good for the happy.

    I know that the tech picture seems bleak, but remember that we are 5 or 6 turns away from education, a very expensive tech that we should be able to trade for several things. Then we will be in a position to chop universities everywhere, switch to bureacracy and build Oxford in the capital. Then, we could take a shot at the astronomy through the liberalism sling. Astronomy gives us observatories plus it is also a hugely expensive tech that we can trade for much stuff.

    So, I think research will come along pretty well after we get education. Over the next couple of sets, make sure to spread Confucianism everywhere and get the temples and monasteries built then start getting universities everywhere. We also may pop a great merchant soon. Send him off on a trade mission so we can run 100% research for a while.

    Save is attached.

    Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk....
     
  11. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    Whoop!

    Just one for that's all I can get out after being so ecstatic about your round. And after looking at the save........Whoop Whoop Whoop! I just hope I don't f...k it up.

    Bleak, who was bleak :blush:

    Was gonna wait, but I play now! edit in an hour or so.

    Hit a calm patch of a very stessful evening...Can not play until tomorrow eve.

    Sorry the neigbors are fighting and it got a bit out of hand.
    got to get back, tomorrow!
     
  12. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    Alright so the neighbors have calmed down today and the the aggressor has repented (thank god I speak fluent drunk) and we actually got to play.

    Looked around and everything seemed good by my iffy knowledge.

    1) 1060: I now notice there is three settlers in production, switch the one in Birka for a missionary. Workers are working.

    2) 1070: Everything starts to pick up! The settler in Uppsala completes and the overflow allows for any troop to be done in one turn. I chose Horse Archer as the best (and able to keep up: damn those kids got strong legs) escort, we need all cities we can get and there is no way in hell I'm risking this!
    I take the chariot in the barb invasion force out for a spin hoping to draw one out.



    So that does not in the least work but may have turned things up a bit...wait for it.

    3) 1080: We got us some smarts!


    So we wnter the Renaissance Era.
    -start temple in Uppsala as we have no workers to help chop the university there.
    -Temple in Haithabu (I wanted a university for the extra culture but is costing 33 turns so we will wait until the near future).

    **Well the numbers were misleading and we got a Great Engineer, specifically Mr. Graham Bell.

    Calrification; we are not building the Colossus and I am not sure how that shot got to be the only one of Mr. Bell, we go for university. I sit him out to rush Oxford once we get the university but now that the my round is over make sure you we get that as soon as possible so we don't lose out on it...chop all that you can, my mistake if we don't get it.

    That small stack of Mansa's troop are still sitting there, check the previous posts, we got a whole lot of + and not much - with him so I am not to nervous at the moment, just unsettled.

    4) 1090: Hannibal really wants the northern barb city but so de we...the situation only increases in tension from here but I will let you know that next turn!
    Um...found an automated worker making roads in the desert. Please let's not automate until we have nothing else to do...and then turn on "do not chop, and leave old improvements" so they only build roads, please.

    5) Lizzy wants us to cancel deals with the horrible incan. I have to say yes for now, we can't afford to not to at the moment to keep her at least "cautious"

    Settler in Nidaros so the family starts toward the banana/sugar site.
    I start up on the university.

    Hannibal has attacked the barb city to the north and lost! It's down to 1 archer and one wounded....how tempting can you get. I think on this and decide that after the last time he stole one from under us I will wait...the wounded archer only lost .2 so what's the difference (.2 you knucklehead!)

    -I want to start trading education, since we got it, but checking the techs in the trading menu I feel we are still safe from the AI getting and trading it between each other so I wait.
     
  13. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    6) 1120: Things heat up! (The following pic should have been posted earlier but you get the situation)



    We are finally ready to attack alot later than I hoped but well I'm not taking risks at this point.
    As a natural course of action I que up the chariot to take the blunt of the defenders, then I actually look at the city. Hannibal must have attacked agian! They are down to one mortally wounded archer! I chose to be toofless and ruthless and attack with the Sword (94.8%!).



    City is razed but when I check out the surrounding are I think it best if I settle one south of the city. We don't lose anything from it, one tile of overlap, gain a extra river tile lose some ice and get a grassland.

    7) 1120: wow this turn was.....whoop whoop whoop!

    We are gettin low on cash!
    Upsalla border pop which can't be bad.
    -Settler is done that's earmarked for the Banana/Sugar city...finally.

    This is where I find it time to trade as we only have two turns holding with the ccurrent research rate (100). Yes I could have waited but with my no risk stratagem I start to get nervous that we won't get what we deserve so I start the haggling with Education.

    (lost some screens here but I always run long so it could be a blessing)We start with----
    Lizzy; We get Gold=40 Machinery and Civil Service
    Hannibal; Feudalism world map Gold=300
    HC; This wise guy won't even talk to us! If we build up a stack of even moderate units we might be able to take a city if a friend declares war and asks us to help.
    Mansa: Wow this guy is one of us!



    Just spreadin the love around isn't he!

    8) 1130: We have some serious :yuck: spreadin around but I don't think it is much that a building or two can't fix...could become a problem but minor right now.
    *revolt to serfdom! We aren't whipping at the moment and it seems we all have an aversion to it anyway.


    9) move troops and workers around.

    10) 1150: We get Philosophy;


    We need it for Liberalism. My philo has always been very vague but it does include laughing, poking, slapping, and a rare but quite influential hit to the gut:crazyeye:

    This is where I screw up, sorry.

    I pressed enter while not on anything and ended the turn. I moved a couple workers and then realized the turn, so Douglas_21, I owe you a turn and will repay the next turnset. I stopped as soon as I figured out I messed up but we need to give or trade Education to the Wang and the HC this turn to save face!

    Sorry a slip of the finger but I never save on the SG before I'm done with my set.....maybe I should re-think that, huh.:mad:
    We are now short on workers that would be nice to whip but well, serfdom.

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  14. Cosmichail

    Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith

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    Baru my beer drinking friend Oxford is a national wonder and we need to build universities (probably about 7) before it can be built. Every civ can build it in other words. Meaning we should save that engineer for something more important. Maybe for a wonder down the road such as Taj Mahal or even Statue of Liberty (although he will only give 50% of that)

    Baru good turnset and FOTH good job bringing us back into the game. Sorry for my pessimism but that is the "Dark Lord" in me. I am so used to using the sword to get my way out but your enthusiasm has me convinced we are doing a lot better and have a chance.

    Douglas must be up so that means I am "on deck".
     
  15. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    Oh yeah huh. I totally forgot it was a national wonder. I think my memory is slipping fast.
     
  16. FoolontheHill

    FoolontheHill Head Stooge

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    You are correct sir!!!

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  17. Baru

    Baru Beer Drinker

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    This really sucks since this is really starting to pick up but what sucks worse is going home to a non-working computer.:cry: It is going to be a while before I have the cash to fix it so I wont be able to play anymore. I'll check in from work once in awhile to see how this ends up though.
     
  18. Cosmichail

    Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith

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    That blows about the computer Baru. Did your hard drive crash? That always hurts especially if you loose a lot of data. That means it's just the three of us now. Wow just like the real stooges. Nyuk, Nyuk go get em douglas. We need lots of temples/monasteries to take advantage of the university of Sankore. (just love that wonder)

    Will miss you Baru so keep in touch when you can.
     
  19. FoolontheHill

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    Sorry to hear that Baru. :eek:

    Keep the advice coming and maybe you will be up and running again before we finish!
     
  20. Cosmichail

    Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith

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    I have patched my version of warlords and did a dual install so am set up for both versions 2.00 and 2.08.
     

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