France bans unregulated taxis

That doesn't sound like the cap is beneficial to the public today.

It seems that the system has been out of balance for a long time. I'm curious about what will happen now that new things are kicking.

Technology appears to accomplish what the customers demanded of regulation, so regulation now looks out of favor. I have no problem with that myself, but transitions are always hard...on some, and good for others.
 
The company in question has a "cool and clever" dispatch system, and part time drivers, and a very short history. As they accumulate more drivers you are going to see results exactly as I described. Bet on it.

Are you not familiar with how Uber works? It's not about a person just sticking their hand in the hair to hail a driver, nor does it work by letting every driver in the area know that someone needs a ride. A rider requests a ride and it gets sent to the nearest online driver, and to that driver only. The customer is told how far away the driver is, the driver's name, and what type of car the driver is driving. The rider then just sits and wait for that particular car to show up. So there isn't any fighting for fares that would take place as you seem to think will happen.
 
As long as these people pay taxes for their services then why not.
 
None of Tim's objections actually make sense in the context of Uber. And a lot of the things he's said are already illegal (such as slashing tyres). The fact that I can set up a sweet shop and then murder all of my competitors to gain market share doesn't mean that the supply of sweets should be restricted and only people with a £100,000 sweet shop licence should be allowed to sell sweets. I didn't see any objections with any merit in any of this thread (or indeed any of the other threads on CFC).

Uber is definitely a taxi business, and should be regulated as a taxi business. It's not merely a "platform" connecting individuals to people who have spare people-carrying capacity in their cars. That line was crossed a long time ago. I'm sure there are taxi regulations that need to be applied to Uber and/or their drivers. The question is, what those taxi regulations should be now, given the current state of affairs in technology and society.

I agree with Lucy (and others) who have said that restricting supply makes no sense in this day and age. I don't see what purpose it serves, other than to drive up fares and allow local governments to raise revenue through taxi licence fees.
 
I agree with Lucy (and others) who have said that restricting supply makes no sense in this day and age. I don't see what purpose it serves, other than to drive up fares and allow local governments to raise revenue through taxi licence fees.


All it takes is one bad experience with a gypsy cab to dissuade you of that notion.
 
All it takes is one bad experience with a gypsy cab to dissuade you of that notion.

There is a big difference between restricting supply by the limiting of the total number of licenses provided, and providing some level of scrutiny to those applying for licences.
 
All it takes is one bad experience with a gypsy cab to dissuade you of that notion.
Or one fabulous experience to show you that they can be great.

I flew into Newark last year and needed to get to the Hoboken train station to visit a friend in Nyack. The metered cabs wanted $50 plus tolls. I found a brand new Mercedes SUV gypsy cab that was willing to do it for $35 tolls included. Not only was it a lot cheaper and way more comfortable, the driver was extremely friendly and spoke English.
 
Yes but that line doesn't necessarily address uber. Uber cars don't have hack medallions and aren't regulated by hack commissions.

It is one thing to say we need more regulated hacks; it is a different statement to say we need more non-hack car services.
 
Are you not familiar with how Uber works? It's not about a person just sticking their hand in the hair to hail a driver, nor does it work by letting every driver in the area know that someone needs a ride. A rider requests a ride and it gets sent to the nearest online driver, and to that driver only. The customer is told how far away the driver is, the driver's name, and what type of car the driver is driving. The rider then just sits and wait for that particular car to show up. So there isn't any fighting for fares that would take place as you seem to think will happen.

You think it would be really difficult to identify regular Uber drivers?

Are there places where a lot of people call for rides? Yes.

Can I sit out front and watch people hopping in cars that pull up at the curb? Yes.

Can I tell the difference between someone getting picked up by their friend/family and someone hopping in with an Uber stranger? Probably.

Can I keep track for a few days and identify by license plate a bunch of Uber drivers making a regular habit of this? Yes.

Can I then take action to...ahem...dissuade them? Yes.

As a cab driver, I don't really care about the "oh, hey, I'm a goin' there let me see if I can give someone a ride" blue moon Uber driver. The ones who are of concern actually are the ones that are making a business of it, and they are identifiable.
 
Yes but that line doesn't necessarily address uber. Uber cars don't have hack medallions and aren't regulated by hack commissions.

It is one thing to say we need more regulated hacks; it is a different statement to say we need more non-hack car services.
Neither are gypsy drivers or car services for that matter.

I can certainly understand why taxi drivers hate Uber. That they try to use "regulated hacks" as their excuse to try to get them banned.

Around here, it takes anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour for a taxi to even show up.

Uber is going to make "regulated hacks" become far more competitive and responsive than they are now. I think that is a win-win for all consumers.
 
Taxi regulation is way out of date--Uber and other services like Lyft proved that it was in major need of an upgrade. I think the right question is as Mise put it, how do we adjust regulation to reflect the current reality of taxi services? Does Uber outcompete taxis because they are taking advantage of a crippled competitor, or is there something about how Uber actually provides its service that would still make it better, even if there was a level playing field?

I think something that also gets forgotten is Uber and the like also benefit from existing in the gray area of the law with regards to employment laws (drivers are treated like independent contractors). Taxi's do that too, but the area of the law is more well defined for them. So Uber really is reaping all kinds of benefits in multiple sectors of regulation that give it an edge above and beyond the actual service.

Personally, I do highly prefer the ease, quickness and "culture" I guess you could say of the Uber/Lyft service in most cities. It would be common place in SF, for example, for cabbies to just outright refuse to give you a ride somewhere because it was too far away from their preferred hot spots, or refuse credit card payment even if they could take it, stuff like that. Aside from the occasional hammer beating, Uber and Lyft and so on are excellent at picking you up wherever you are quickly and getting you where you need to go.

I say most cities because there is one city where I think regular cabs still have a place: London. Basically the only city where I think that is true, due to their amazing knowledge of how to get around and their history and just how professional they all are.
 
It wouldn't make much sense in Manhattan most of the time due to the huge number of taxis which are normally available. But when it starts raining or if you are in an area that is remote it is a different story.
 
It is one thing to say we need more regulated hacks; it is a different statement to say we need more non-hack car services.

I think most people are saying something else. They are saying that current regulations are overly stringent; their experiences with (completely unregulated) Uber has demonstrated that taxis can be (mostly) safe, more efficient, more convenient, and cheaper, if those regulations didn't exist at all. They are further acknowledging the need for some form of regulation, but are suggesting that the level of regulation required needn't be as restrictive as current taxi regulations are in order to satisfy safety concerns, protect drivers from exploitative business practices, etc.
 
You think it would be really difficult to identify regular Uber drivers?

Are there places where a lot of people call for rides? Yes.

Can I sit out front and watch people hopping in cars that pull up at the curb? Yes.

Can I tell the difference between someone getting picked up by their friend/family and someone hopping in with an Uber stranger? Probably.

Can I keep track for a few days and identify by license plate a bunch of Uber drivers making a regular habit of this? Yes.

Can I then take action to...ahem...dissuade them? Yes.

As a cab driver, I don't really care about the "oh, hey, I'm a goin' there let me see if I can give someone a ride" blue moon Uber driver. The ones who are of concern actually are the ones that are making a business of it, and they are identifiable.

Okay, but you're only going to catch the stupid Uber drivers doing that. I never operate in any one area all the time

And you probably couldn't tell the difference between someone getting picked up by a friend and someone getting picked up by Uber if my experience means anything. In my experience people treat Uber drivers more like a friend picking them up rather than a cabbie picking them up. The riders I've picked up usually hop right into the front seat if its available, just like a friend would, my car is not marked as an Uber car in any way, shape, or form. I mean sure, if you noticed me coming to the same area all the time, you might suspect I am an Uber driver, but I have a core of regular customers now, so if you saw me in the same area, it would be because I'm picking up the same person you saw me picking up a few days earlier. That would just reinforce the image that I am just picking up a friend.

Plus, any cabbie would spend the amount of time you are talking about to stalk the streets for Uber drivers is an idiot who deserves to go out of business. Because the time he/she is spending to "eliminate" the competition is time not being spent making money.

I've also had a few run-ins with cabbies in my time as an Uber driver, and each time it has ended in my favor. So while some people may get intimidated by some greasy cabbie, they aren't going to scare me away. If there's one thing the Iraqis taught me while I was over there, it was how to play hard and dirty with those that try to intimidate me.
 
It wouldn't likely be cabbies. As you point out, they have to be driving to cover the daily lease on their cab. Now, the cab company can spend a little manpower and effort on this sort of project fairly easily...and there are ALWAYS thugs for hire looking for a little work. :wavey:
 
In SF Uber cars all have a big visible "U" sticker on their front windshield, is this only a SF thing?
 
It wouldn't likely be cabbies. As you point out, they have to be driving to cover the daily lease on their cab. Now, the cab company can spend a little manpower and effort on this sort of project fairly easily...and there are ALWAYS thugs for hire looking for a little work. :wavey:

Yeah, but cab companies aren't doing that (at least cab companies in the US), and there's a reason. It would be too easy to trace hired thugs back to the company that hired them, especially since most Uber drivers come from a demographic that would have zero qualms about running to the cops the moment someone tries to intimidate them.

And you know how overzealous cops are. They would love a situation like this as it might give them the opportunity to pop some thugs.

In SF Uber cars all have a big visible "U" sticker on their front windshield, is this only a SF thing?

It's optional. At least where I am it is. I have the sticker, but I don't put it in my windshield to avoid getting harassed by cab drivers who can't handle the fact that their business model is obsolete.
 
I've seen cabbies fist fight each other over snaking the hotel line before, it's a cutthroat business.
 
I've seen cabbies fist fight each other over snaking the hotel line before, it's a cutthroat business.

Yeah, I've had a few problems picking people up from bars once the cabbies realize that people are calling for Uber rides even though cabs are lined up right outside the bar. Like I said though, it's always ended in my favor.
 
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