Future era Ideas

[Yuri2356]

But then what happens at the end of the future era?
Do we end up with Future-Future Techs?
And will people then complain that Civ Should go even FARTHER into the future?
Untill we reach the point where we're just making wild guesses about what we may accomplish, or ripping off popular SciFi Series to get Ideas?
If we give them one Future age, they'll want more... and more...
When will it stop? WHEN????
Will people suddenly build the wonder: "skynet defense computer" or "Stargate command center" or, worse yet "United federation of planets?"
Stop the madness!
STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!

 

[Baleog]

In Civ II: Test of Time there were two versions of the game relative to the [\i]original[\i] discussion.

Firstly the rubbish 'extended edition' added a few vastly advanced techs such as quantum teleportation and reality mechanics as well as the opportuinity to build cities on alpha centauri. Well ok, it wasn't rubbish, the whole game up until the 'extension' was wonderful. Then it got a bit unbalanced in it's attempt to include the futuristic technologies.

Secondly was the fantastic sci-fi game. Human colonisation space ship crashes on an uncharted planet inhabited by aliens at about the same tech level. As you developed new techs you got the chance to travel to three other maps representing different planets in the star system.

Going by Test of Time I'm against a future age extension to the original game, but a sci-fi edition might satisfy the demand of the few.

 

[sir_schwick]

The only extended tech tree I would support would be the one for re-buildiing civilization after the First and Last Nuclear War.

It would be kind of fun if you could just research a blank-tech and determine its name and what it gives you once you have completed reserach. Maybe this would be avaliable after Future Tech 20, gives you something to work toward. Of course someone would want teleportation, time machine, or planetbusters.

Overall I agree with Yuri about the greedy players who just can't have enough ages.

 

[BasketCase]

The univerous can self destruct. Do you have any proof it can't? An aurgument?

I do know the Universe CANNOT go poof as a result of time travel.

Here's why: if time travel is impossible, then Poof is impossible. So let's assume time travel is possible. In which case somebody in the future has already discovered it. In the entire history of humanity, trust me on the following, it is statistically certain:

THERE IS AT LEAST ONE PERSON DUMB ENOUGH TO GO BACK IN TIME AND KILL HIS OR HER GRANDFATHER!!!

Now, the universe can't simply explode into energy at the moment in time that the causality violation occurs, because that does NOT erase the violation! The guy from the future caused the violation, and if the universe explodes at the moment granddad dies, then the time traveller was never born and couldn't go back in time to kill granddad. So who went back in time and caused the causality violation to be caused???? Which means we still have a causality violation to deal with.

So, if Poof occurs, TIME must go poof as well as space. All of the Universe, from the beginning of time to the end, must go poof.

The short version: if causality violations can result in the destruction of the Universe, then the minute anybody discovers time travel, all of space-time would go


POOF


The fact that we're here indicates that Poof hasn't occurred, therefore it can't.

Q.E.D.; this concludes the Poof Proof.

Off hand, I'd say your opinion that the universe can go poof, went poof.....

 

[Darksoul_CG]

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Fission is much more efficient and effective than fusion, and we already have it.

Go and search for the actual I.T.E.R. project;it's an upgrade of the J.E.T.

a fusion bomb is (if i remember correctly) about 1000 times a fission bomb.
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anyway,what if to take a concept from Deadlock II?

not time machine but *Advanced relativity*----->*time delation*

with time delation we make time run faster on certain structures,obtaining an increase in production output...it multiplies!Obvously it should be a tree-ending tech since it's veeeery powerful if we don't mind electrical energy spending.

why not also to upgrade the old tech trees?just to make civilizations divided not only by "How much" but also by "What kind of" tech.So not an extension in the sense of a longer tree...more powerful etc. but a more "specialized" tree.

 

[sir_schwick]

Right now the only way to really dialate time is to go at extremely high velocities. That would be impractical for a planet-based facility, since even to accelerate particles requires a 20 mile long ring of magnets. I just do not see how this technology will ever be exploited outside space travel. True, you suggestion was for a future tech, but I think Einstein's relatvity is very specific about time dialation by photons.

 

[Yuri2356]

But we're not even sure if Einstien was right about time travell and the speed of light. You can create as many likley theories as you'd like, but untill you have a way to go out and test those theories, you never rely know. Saying light is the fastest speed, might truely be a mater of light is the fastest "known speed" or "measureable speed"
You just never know....

 

[sir_schwick]

I know that e=mc^2 says that energy needed to reach the speed of light with any mass>0 would be infinite. I do not remember how they proved it, but I think someone was able to measure that. That is something I'll reserach if I ever get done moving.

 

[Darksoul_CG]

first of all also gravity does affect time dialation.

to answer Yuri,the proof is that GPRS systems work...it's calibrated using general relativity theory.Indeed we would need an "advanced relativity" not only the general relativity to use time dialation tech.

It's obvious that future technologies aren't realizable thinking with actual knowledge...it's like to say that a 2000 B.C. farman could think about nuclear fusion -,-

 

[sir_schwick]

But I thought in order to get a time dialation of appreciable magnitude you needed a large gravitational force? I may be completely off, but I thought even the time dialation in relation of orbit was small fractions of a second. For time dialation to be practical to industry relative to the inconvenience of a gravity source it would probably need to be more significant. Also, how do you handle this with hourly employees?

 

[Yuri2356]

Don't use emplyees, use ROBOTS! They won't care about time passing quickly.

 

[sir_schwick]

But then all the former labourers will be saying "they took ur joabs!".

 

[Yuri2356]

The normal laborers won't need jobs.
While robots work in the Time distorted factories, human will work in non-distorted ones.

Robots are also one of the 3 ways to make communism work:
-Communism through robots.
-Communism through mind-linking
-Communism through global revolution.

 

[sir_schwick]

Yeah, but why would anyone buy products made by un-dialated laborers. It is like those commercials encouraging people to buy products that were "Made in the USA". Eventually the cheap robot labor would put all the normal labour out fo business, then they woudl still say, "They took oar jobs!".

 

[Yuri2356]

That's why you go Tru-Communist, then the people don't need their jobs. With no need to earn currency, and no demand for labor, the people can devote themselves to the fine art of doing absolutley nothing. All that would remain for people to do is be educated, and then do whatever they want.

 

[PeteAtoms]

if u went tru-commie who would build the robots, answer: other robots, will the robots develop "minds" of their yes, will they oppress humanity, yes, (anyone here seen/read I-robot), than all you would have a robot civ, which im ok with if your gonna do it in the future era, unless they took all control away from me and made the whole nation automated...

 

[Yuri2356]

Who says that Robots opressing humans is a Garuntee? God I have when Sciene fiction does that. It's always the same predictable pattern in those Sci-fis:
Man Builds Robot,
Man Abuses Robot,
Robot Becomes Self-Aware,
Robot becomes angry,
Robot goes on killing spree,
Man and Robot Fight to the death,
Man Launches nukes,
Robot is relatively undamged becaus ehtye are immune to radiation poiso-
STOP RIGHT THERE!!!
I just need to stop and point out the most annoying plothole in all of these scenarios.
The author always seems to forget our good friend EMP.
Nuke: *'splode*
EMP: *zappage*
Robots: *zzzt* *colapse*
I'm just glad Brian Herbert didn't fall into that hole while writing "Dune: The Butlarian Jihad"
Anywho:
Robots survive nuklear holocast and continue to fight across the wastelands.
Uses a time machine.
Things get so parodoxal and stupid that the writer is forced to abandon the plot completley and just cram in as many sex scenes and explosions as possible to distract the people.
Guy From Future: I'm going to tell you exactly how this all happened.

Robot: *insert evil catchphrase*

Something filled with oil: Well, I'm dead. It's been a good ru-
*'SPLODE*

Robot: *fakedeath*

Lead actor: It's finaly ov-

Robot: *final action scene*

Actor: *convenient robot-killing plot device*

Robot: *dies for real*

Actor: *something symbolic that has nothing to do with anything*

And there you have it, the basis of all Sci Fi that includes robots in the future.
This has been a Yuri rant.

 

[sir_schwick]

That's why you go Tru-Communist, then the people don't need their jobs. With no need to earn currency, and no demand for labor, the people can devote themselves to the fine art of doing absolutley nothing. All that would remain for people to do is be educated, and then do whatever they want.

So basically robots will increase recreational drug use in the future? Fine by me.

 

[Yuri2356]

Of corse! people can use LSD to realize that the universe is just a hologram.....

Wake up Neo, they're coming for you.

I'm not Neo.

Oh, sorry. Wrong number.
*beep*

 

[dh_epic]

Dey dook ar derrrrbs!!