G-Minor 138

[Denniz]

[img=right]http://www.civfanatics.net/methos/hof/staff/gauntlet.gif[/img]While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we like to run time-definite competitions between updates that we call Gauntlets. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings will be counted towards the Gauntlet.

[size=+1](*) Please read the >> HOF rules << BEFORE playing!
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Settings:

• Victory Condition: Diplomatic (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
• Difficulty: Warlord
• Starting Era: Ancient
• Map Size: Standard
• Map Type: Any
• Speed: Any
• Civ: Any
• Opponents: Any
• Version: 3.19.003
• Date: 10th to 25th February 2012

Must not play as Inca.

The highest score wins.

 

[Manco Capac]

BC diplo victory anyone?

 

[WastinTime]

won't a score milking corporation game beat that?

 

[Manco Capac]

won't a score milking corporation game beat that?

I really don't get it. What's up with the score?

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Just noticed that! Every speed!!! Everyone knows the marathoner will capture capture capture capitals after capitals with one warrior.

 

[WastinTime]

I really don't get it. What's up with the score?

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Just noticed that! Every speed!!!

Well if you keep reading, you'll see at the bottom this is High Score wins, not early finish.

 

[Manco Capac]

Well if you keep reading, you'll see at the bottom this is High Score wins, not early finish.

I never read what is below "must not play as Inca".
Okay, after all, it is different than usual diplo victory.

 

[Bugio]

This will be really intersting. I will totally break new ground here, what score best? Marathon or Quick?

 

[Manco Capac]

This will be really intersting. I will totally break new ground here, what score best? Marathon or Quick?

Marathon will score best because some abuses are possible there especially on the lowest levels. Only culture is advantaged on quick. And the other faster speed just brings worker tasks less useful (same for military campaigns) (more movement value on a hill or forest). At last, the unit cost (workers and military units) worth 2 times normal speed cost where it should 3x on mara.

Regardless, that gauntlet is very well-thought and special. Shame it lasts for 15 days.

Population is the key for high scores, but we cannot outdo the AI in population(with sushi) to a point the diplo is invalid, getting ourselves too much votes for our UN DV.
Warlord AI's are terrible to every aspect and have a slight negative handicap.
We might get a population way too imposing.
My thoughts were directing helping a friendly civ for a corp (cereal corp.) to let the population grows to avoid containing a great percentage of world population within our borders. Unfortunately, that short-circuit the rice resources from trade with him/her because that is the common resource between suchi and cereal corps.

 

[Maou Tsaou]

Okay... I'm getting pretty spooked here.
I started with a shuffle map and a random leader and drew Kubla from the Mongs.
Okay draw for the opening, needs 4 farms but 2 good mines, 6 woods, a good harbor, and on a river with a rice outta the fog.
The rice and Mongs suggests maybe I should try for horsies instead of bronze first and I go with a second scout out just before pop2.
As there's a goodie just outside first city rad I grab with my scout and get a map.
"Great... another one of those" says I and notice another goodie up about 6 squares north on a corner of coast, three turns and next to no fog revealed...
Oh well, head for the hut... I get a settler.
That hasn't happened to me in AGES!
Even better, 1 tile away from the same river the Caps on!
2 cities and a plus econ in 3910 B.C. ?!?
Follow the coast with the scout for a few more turns... looks like I've got ocean on at least 3 sides, then run into Peter in 3790.
He ran right up the middle of the area missing the coast and I get to a goodie his scout passes.
Animal Husb in 3790, 2 turns before I get Agg.
...
Why is this thing being so nice all of a sudden?
What's the trick?
It's like the a.i. has said 1. b4
It's trying to make a monkey outta me...

 

[cabert]

tried my hands on this one
I'm a bit rusty, so I didn't do too well.

121k points for me. Should be no match to a dedicated player.

 

[Ozbenno]

Why is this thing being so nice all of a sudden?

Don't worry, it won't last

 

[billybgame]

On my 3rd effort at this. Diplomatic is the only Quatro victory condition still languishing at Settler

Problem is, and probably why the above exists is I am just not good at it. Or unlucky. First two times, a religion other than mine was spreading like wildfire, and nearly all the other civs had it. Why does it seem my religion never spreads like wildfire?

This time, I tried a little harder, At least two other civs have my religion. We shall see. Just trying Quick, to get it over with.

 

[neilmeister]

Quick will lose, thats for sure.

Its a toss up between Epic & Marathon. I will choose Epic, as Marathon is soooo painful!

 

[Sun Tzu Wu]

Quick will be a bit challenging, but I don't understand why it would obviously lose with Warlord difficulty and these wide open settings.

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[neilmeister]

Its an assertion I made without direct evidence.... but anyone looking at the HoF table can see that Quick is usually (but certainly not always) the lowest score in each table.

 

[Manco Capac]

Its an assertion I made without direct evidence.... but anyone looking at the HoF table can see that Quick is usually (but certainly not always) the lowest score in each table.

Quick speed is weakest speed for score probably because of the fewer number of turns. With fewer, military movements are less flambloyant, making campaigns less effective. And we all know a very effective and swift campaign annex more production centers, accelerating general development and even tech speed if done wisely.
In addition, worker turns waste are more wasteful compared to a marathon game.

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Many in-game aspects are not scaled with the game speed, which means for instance diplomacy sucks extremely hard on quick while on marathon it helps much more (more gift demands, lesser duration of certain treaties, OB, resource trading bonus modifier, PA earlier unlocking, etc.).
In regards to score calculation, perhaps the fewer turns to a marathon speed makes more difficult improvement in score.

All in all, it is the relationship between units movement and empire development speed that makes quick unbalanced even with fast workers.

Only culture victories are slightly favored on that speed, but a good marathon culture game may outdo such quick speed game because of workers.

 

[billybgame]

tried my hands on this one
I'm a bit rusty, so I didn't do too well.

121k points for me. Should be no match to a dedicated player.

I guess Quick really has not a chance in the world of competing. Less than 30k for me in a 1760 win.

Course, it was a completely peaceful game and I had only 8 cities. But, built a ton of wonders and had high population #s. My best job at Diplomacy though, so I will take it. Learned a lot. Everyone loved me very much

On thing though....my laptop died on me during a play session, for some reason. Overheated or something, and just went black and dead......luckily restarted after a little while. I had to restart from an Auto save, that was a couple of turns back. Sure hope that's not an issue. In a completely peaceful, Warlord, diplomacy game, can't imagine it being one, but thought I better share that somewhere. Being I only have a Settler Diplo win, I'd hate to have it disallowed.

 

[shulec]

Unfortunately, I am afraid your game will be rejected. The program they use to check games will see your autosave as a reload. Go to the crash exception policy to how to handle the crash: Crash Exception Policy

You need to set your autosave to 1 turn. You then need to give a write-up of the game situation and what moves had to be repeated.

I have been lucky in the past and my games were always accepted. There have been some monster games rejected in the last few years.

 

[billybgame]

Unfortunately, I am afraid your game will be rejected. The program they use to check games will see your autosave as a reload. Go to the crash exception policy to how to handle the crash: Crash Exception Policy

You need to set your autosave to 1 turn. You then need to give a write-up of the game situation and what moves had to be repeated.

I have been lucky in the past and my games were always accepted. There have been some monster games rejected in the last few years.

That really sucks. In a non war game, absolutely nothing could be gained. And, I was deep into the game when it happened, and I figured common sense would prevail. Is there no chance that it can, or is this a dreaded absolute thing.

I only played this because I really needed Diplo victory.....so I don't appreciate wasting my time and effort.

Edit: I see that Exception Policy now...guess you learn the hard way....I've never had it happen before, that I recall. Guess I better change that autosave setting

 

[shulec]

I only played this because I really needed Diplo victory.....so I don't appreciate wasting my time and effort.

Play a one city challenge Diplo game. They are fun, full of wonders and play quickly!