G-Minor 40

[Methos]

[img=right]http://www.civfanatics.net/methos/hof/staff/gauntlet.gif[/img]While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we like to run time-definite competitions between updates that we call Gauntlets. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings will be counted towards the Gauntlet.

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Settings:

• Victory Condition: Domination (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
• Difficulty: Noble
• Starting Era: Ancient
• Map Size: Standard
• Map Type: Inland Sea
• Speed: Quick
• Required: OCC and Permanent Alliances Checked
• Civ: Any
• Opponents: Any
• Version: 1.74.002, 2.13.002 or 3.13.001
• Date: 26th March to 10th April 2008

Must not play as Inca.
The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreaker.

 

[Ludwitch]

For a domination victory you need like 60% of the land area. How can you get that on a standard size map with only one city?

 

[Methos]

For a domination victory you need like 60% of the land area. How can you get that on a standard size map with only one city?

With a permanent alliance.

 

[_samuelson_]

also with Vassalage?

 

[Methos]

also with Vassalage?

I don't believe that's possible. Only 50% of a vassals territory counts towards domination (I believe), so your OCC would have to contain a lot of tiles and your vassal would have to be huge!

Plus, would a vassal who was that big still be a vassal?

 

[Conquistador 63]

Hmm, sounds fun. Obviously we need to get a PA for this one. Could be a tricky one, since the PA target can't be #1 in power.

I'm definitely giving this one a go, OCC on quick speed should play really fast.
From my missing civs for V/W QM, Ramesses (Spi/Ind) seems to be the better choice. Alex (philo) would be a 2nd choice. If those don't work maybe I'll go for Gandhi (spi/ind), but I already have him checked.

 

[Mistfit]

Can someone explain Permanent Alliances? Is this available in Vanilla? When can you get one? How do you get one? How do you keep one?

 

[Methos]

Can someone explain Permanent Alliances? Is this available in Vanilla? When can you get one? How do you get one? How do you keep one?

WastinTime wrote an excellent strategy article titled "Permanent Alliance Guide" regarding the topic and OCC games.

 

[bestje]

this sounds like an interesting challenge, not going to be easy though even at noble

 

[Mistfit]

That is a well written article.. thanks

 

[ArcadicGamer]

Should the must be checked line include PA's since it seems impossible to get this without one?

Also, Vassals can break from their master, but not capitulates if i remember correctly from BOTM3 and other times. Seems an interesting stratagy may be to get an early capitulate, and gift him loads of settlers and troops and tech. Or as another alternative, capitulate the all opponents but one and gift settlers. It may be somewhat impossible to get them back to fighting status, or even to submit with only 1 city.

 

[Methos]

Should the must be checked line include PA's since it seems impossible to get this without one?

Very good point. I had that happen to me before.

 

[Ozbenno]

Interesting idea. Inland sea is quite a (relatively) big map so this will be a challange.

You can't gift settlers in OCC (as you can't build them). If that is true about being unable to break capitulation, that might be one way to help winning, having vassals and PA.

 

[Shoot the Moon]

While vassals are possible in OCC (I actually got one back in the culture OCC gauntlet), I am almost possitive that it will be easier to just go the PA route.

 

[Ozbenno]

I am almost possitive that it will be easier to just go the PA route.

I'll be trying to get a vassal before a PA, use the vassalising war to get the shared military bonus needed for the PA.

 

[WilliamOfOrange]

Good call. In the last Major, I had mentioned that we (me and my ally) vassalized someone, but it didn't last. Certainly the OCC changes some dynamics.

 

[WastinTime]

I know very little about vassals or capitulation. Can someone give a quick overview of the difference and how you talk them into it? I can't see why you'd bother with a PA if you can get them to stick with you all game from the start with capitulation.

 

[Andrei_V]

I know very little about vassals or capitulation. Can someone give a quick overview of the difference and how you talk them into it? I can't see why you'd bother with a PA if you can get them to stick with you all game from the start with capitulation.

Capitulation is just vassalizing someone in the course of war, where you hurt them so badly as you can demand capitulation. In this case they'll be your vassals until they get enough land to break free.

If a civ is weak, they can offer to become your vassals if they are friendly enough with you, but in this case they can break free anytime they want. Watch out if they are at war with someone (a typical reason to seek patronage), then if you agree to become their master, you'll automatically be at war as well.

In other words, if a civ is large enough, you'll get a real hard time to vassalize them. And since only 50% of their land counts toward dom. limit, I'm afraid it is not possible to get Dom with vassals only.

 

[Ozbenno]

I was looking for a guide myself to see if it is possible for capitulated states to break free. It appears that they can if they get 50% of your land and territory, so it is possibly a risky strategy. I have played a OCC conquest game where I had a vassal who never broke away.

 

[WastinTime]

Does breaking away have anything to do with how freindly you are with them? I suppose I'll read the guide.