I'm afraid it only has to do with how strong they are. Once they feel strong enough, they'll break free no matter how friendly they are with you.
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I see, thanks. I read the guide. Well, most of it. Any chance that all applies to Warlords and there is a whole new system in BTS?
I have not noticed any significant differences between BtS and Warlords so far.
WilliamOfOrange
Emperor
One thing I love about Vassals is that you can demand all their resources, as refusal means they declare war. Back in the Time gauntlet (Major, 21?) I had vassalized Cyrus and I treated him like dirt. I didn't help him with famine, I interrogated spies caught in my cities, etc. He eventually had enough and refused, declaring war. This was a masterstroke, because I was approaching the Dom limit.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
That's not going to be useful in a one city challenge.
I'll probably give this one a miss, seems a bit too dependent upon your ally being competent enough to get a domination win.
I'll probably try the major though, tha's going to be tough.
I'll probably give this one a miss, seems a bit too dependent upon your ally being competent enough to get a domination win.
I'll probably try the major though, tha's going to be tough.
I'll give this one a try, new for me so I may learn something.
Just started a BTS game as Alexander, random opponents and I encountered Julius Caesar first. Not a bad ally, let's keep him in mind. Next Gandhi (you are so screwed lol) and Mansa Musa (good tech ally). But then: Gilgamesh - Protective/Creative, oh yeah there's my ally right there.
Quit right after because I don't have time right now, but looks like I'm picking Gilgamesh for my ally. I might stumble upon Monty/Shaka/Isabella/Catherine next though.
I'm continuing this one later.
Just started a BTS game as Alexander, random opponents and I encountered Julius Caesar first. Not a bad ally, let's keep him in mind. Next Gandhi (you are so screwed lol) and Mansa Musa (good tech ally). But then: Gilgamesh - Protective/Creative, oh yeah there's my ally right there.
Quit right after because I don't have time right now, but looks like I'm picking Gilgamesh for my ally. I might stumble upon Monty/Shaka/Isabella/Catherine next though.
I'm continuing this one later.
I'm interested in which leaders people think are best for this. I always thought Philosophical the best trait for OCC but in the OCC conquest Many Leaders Game the top leaders were Elizabeth, Wang and Peter showing Financial can be really useful as well.
Personally, I'm going Ramesses as I need him for EQM
Personally, I'm going Ramesses as I need him for EQM
Conquistador 63
Deity
I think the choice of the ally also matters. I've started a warlords game (Alex,philo), where I'm kinda dating a russian redhead. I think she'll do wonders when we marry and I give her MT so she can unleash her cossacks on the other unsuspecting AI.
I think she'll do wonders when we marry and I give her MT so she can unleash her cossacks on the other unsuspecting AI. I have to say Gilgamesh isn't very cooperative yet. +5/-0 relations with him and he doesn't want war or cancel trade with anyone, whereas Mansa Musa (+1/-0) for example is willing to war with 3 other civs (don't know how much he wants for it though, but at least it's not redded out). Gilgamesh seems to need more diplomatic input to be a good ally.
The Keeper
Warlord
Would it be illegal to play OCC with no city razing turned on?
'No City Razing' is optional for HOF games. It is your choice on whether you wish to use it. You can find the HOF rules on this page.
Note, you also need to be using the HOF mod, which has different versions depending on what expansion you are playing. (Vanilla, Warlords, and BTS).
I think it still destroys cities you take, but maybe I just assumed that.
EDIT: No, it doesn't destroy them. That really ruins the whole gauntlet.
I was almost sure they would be destroyed. Maybe this is new behavior in BTS?
@Moderator: we need a ruling on that. My game is going great! But I just captured a city. Illegal? If it is legal, then I won't bother playing this gauntlet. It's just a normal domination game. Sad I have to start over though.
Yea, funny no one figured that out in previous OCC gauntlets. That's what makes me think it's BTS only that does this. I did No Razing so my PA partner would keep everything. Didn't expect to get a 2nd city.
Then we can't allow No City Razing, as that obsoletes OCC.
k, Just to be sure I double checked that I cannot build settlers and I did build the Oxford with only 1 city, so I'm definitely on OCC...And I now have 2 cities.
I didn't even use mapfinder on that game. I had Corn, cow, Stone, Silver, gold, gold, wine, wine, 12 forests and a big river in the BFC. 
WilliamOfOrange
Emperor
Wow...eight resources out of 20 tiles, assuming you didn't settle on one...that is sweet.
Jimmy Thunder
King
I need to see a screenshot of all that goodness!
Bad luck about no city razing
Conquistador 63
Deity
Not sure what has gone wrong with my game. I reached MT and started a DefPact with Cathy t97. Another with Mansa 3 turns later. Until T127 I was still getting "we haven't shared DP long enough" from both of them, and at friendly with both.
Then Cathy declares on Asoka, I follow suit, bring Mansa to the fun. At T151 still getting the same red message. How many turns on DP necessary for PA? I thought it was 20?
Then Cathy declares on Asoka, I follow suit, bring Mansa to the fun. At T151 still getting the same red message. How many turns on DP necessary for PA? I thought it was 20?
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