donsig
Low level intermediary
Well, I didn't get past the *we want Semtex* part. They do not want peace so they are making demands they know we won't / can't accept. Tell them nevermind.
Gall Communication Thread
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formal write up of a peace treaty
Hey
Welcome to Versaille's, you shall be the allies and we shall be the Weimar government getting crippled. Formal peace terms as follows
1. Peace For 50 turns (from both sides)
2. Gifting of technology from TNT to KISS for the next 50 turns
3. TNT shall remain weak militarily compared to KISS for the next 40 turns
4. The land east of cities which has not been settled shall be given to KISS to do as they please.
And that concludes this portion of events, bring on the depression and a spot of Hitlering before we do it all over again.
Yours Sincerley
BCLG-the coolest guy i know.
Hey
Welcome to Versaille's, you shall be the allies and we shall be the Weimar government getting crippled. Formal peace terms as follows
1. Peace For 50 turns (from both sides)
2. Gifting of technology from TNT to KISS for the next 50 turns
3. TNT shall remain weak militarily compared to KISS for the next 40 turns
4. The land east of cities which has not been settled shall be given to KISS to do as they please.
And that concludes this portion of events, bring on the depression and a spot of Hitlering before we do it all over again.
Yours Sincerley
BCLG-the coolest guy i know.
Strider
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BCLG100 said:
2 & 3 are unacceptable. 50 turns we have to gift them technologies? We won't beable to trade with MIA for any technologies, and our trade for the future is completely destroyed.
Also, it seems the entire purpose of declaring peace is for we can declare war on the Iroqi. How the hell are we suppose to make war with the Iroqi if we have to limit our military?
As I've said a thousand time, we have to force the galls into a situtation to take straight peace. Anything less is unreasonable.
Strider said:
yes and as everyone has said a thousand and one times, we are not in a position to do so. Even if we got in a position to do so that would take a LONG time, time where we would get war weary, why not prepare in peace and then declare once the treaty is over.
2 is a very easy stance to get around, we just knock off research for 50 turns, give gold to MIA and they just research for us, we then get whatever techs KISS have from MIA, thereby not actually giving them anything.
3. we are already weak compared to KISS, everyone is didnt you read the last intel report? so really this isnt saying much...
its not like for the time being we really need any new technologies, we have so much infrastructure we need to build in our cities its amazing so we will be busy doing that. We could also build the GL to get us extra techs, that way any techs we do have would have been found from 2 other sources anyways so KISS would be likely to already have them.
So really what are your points? we need peace to do anything, war is only making us slip further and further behind. No the whole point of peace was not just to declare war on the nutters, it was to recover! declaring on the nutters was just one of the things we could have done.
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BCLG100 said:
We have to re-build our pikes, but that is it. The galls don't have more than 15 swordsman over on our continent. The only problem is that we have to get close enough to do any damage to them. Re-build our pikes and try to attack the city again. Let the galls lose 3-4 swordsmen each time they attack a stack of our pikes, their cheap enough to re-build.
BCLG100 said:
1) That peace treaty doesn't say anything about just technology we researched. From looking at it, it means anything technology we acquire, regardless of how.
2) My guess is that your trying to trick them into accepting it where they think they get every technology we acquire, but we claim it's only technology we research. Not only would that worsen our relations with our closest allies (who seem to care alot about honor), it is also pushing, if not crossing, the rules of the game.
Those rankings don't mean alot, first off, most of KISS power has to be on their continent, guarding their cities. Where the battlefield is, we hold the advantage, we are the stronger.
We can build infrastructure at any time, under almost any circumstance. Workers cost 15 shields and a population point. That's nothing. Other than that, same as above.
My point is that I think we should not make peace. Simple enough concept, what's not to understand?
Strider said:
So you think they wouldnt be re-strenthening those cities at all, being in a GA and therefore with a production boost.
Erm no i wasnt implying that you read into it wrongly, we would still have to gift any tech we have that they dont but if we get MIA to research for us then we can avoid giving them too many techs and on turn 51 we can expect a windfall of techs.
Yes so what exactly is your point in compareson to the treaty? if we remain weak compared to KISS we would still be very strong where the battlefield is and on turn 51 able to declare war on them.
Infrastructure counts as markets, libraries etc as well, all of which we need to get up and running, we need more settlers to settle more cities etc. Not much of this is going to be happening if we have are at war!
Well my point is that we should go to peace and if we are those are the terms, whether we do go to peace is a different matter, just those are the terms which ive brought down.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
BCLG100 said:
sorry BCLG, but i agree with Strider on most of these points. i know they have a small advantage in the war right now, but that doesn't mean we should give up and give them loads of stuff. we should keep on warring, try to kill off 1 or 2 of their cities, and then try to convince them straight peace is the best thing. like Strider said, we rebuild the pikes and we can take them fairly easily. they might kill our pikes, but they lost a good deal of units last time they attacked our stack. now onto your peace points:
1) since we plan on coordinating an attack with MIA against KISS in the future, 50 turns might be too long. i think 40 turns of peace w/KISS only would be acceptable.
2) no good. the most we should be willing to give them is any tech we get from our own research.
3) in a way this doesn't affect us much, but i'd rather not agree to this since it ensures KISS stays more powerful than us for quite a long time.
4) i'd rather not agree to this, but if we have to we have to. we can limit the effects of this by planting our next settler in the Northeast corner.
basically, we have to keep fighting until we weaken them to the point they get tired of war or we destroy their cities and make them think their war was worthless. peace has to be on fair terms or they'll just be able to kill us sometime in the future.
donsig
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1) I think we should only go with the standard 20 turns of peace with options to renew. We don't want a very long peace treaty but we may want to extend it. you can always tell them that's what we did after the Iroqi war and it's worked fine.
2) Let's agree to give tham any techs we get in the next twenty turns. Then we turn off research and build the Great Library on turn 21.
3) How about we promise not to be strong compared to them? We should at least be allowed to be equal to them!
4) Let's not give them any more land. How about we just say that open land is up for grabs. Who ever settles it first, settles it first.
Once both teams agree in principle on the terms then we'll have to be very careful how we actually draft the treaty. I wouldn't present any of this as an actual treaty yet. Just tell them these are points we're willing to consider. We should also tell them that we will not give up any cities to them.
We should also confer with the Greeks on any treaty with the Galls before signing it. We want a Greek promise to attack the Galls. At least we can be sure that if they give that promise they will do it.
2) Let's agree to give tham any techs we get in the next twenty turns. Then we turn off research and build the Great Library on turn 21.
3) How about we promise not to be strong compared to them? We should at least be allowed to be equal to them!
4) Let's not give them any more land. How about we just say that open land is up for grabs. Who ever settles it first, settles it first.
Once both teams agree in principle on the terms then we'll have to be very careful how we actually draft the treaty. I wouldn't present any of this as an actual treaty yet. Just tell them these are points we're willing to consider. We should also tell them that we will not give up any cities to them.
We should also confer with the Greeks on any treaty with the Galls before signing it. We want a Greek promise to attack the Galls. At least we can be sure that if they give that promise they will do it.
ok then
Bonjour You Idiots
Shall we sign a peace treaty and bring an end to this war? or shall we carry on fighting? We can of course do both however maybe the 2 strongest teams shouldnt be fighting each other into a pointless stalemate?
Theres been a few things tossed around between our exstensive negotiations on msn, both parties being equally distracted by other things:civ4, pitboss, hattrick, tv, wine tasting???? so what came from you was a few things. Heres what we're offering mull them over if you want.
1-Peace with you for 30 turns
2-We'll give you every tech we research for the next 20 turns
3-We'll stay even with you militarily
4-No action shall be taken against existing cities on the east coast of yours and the land there shall become up for grabs for whoever gets a settler there first.
Get back to us when you've come to an answer, want to renegotiate or just want to give me something to do
Yours
BCLG-the coolest guy i know
Bonjour You Idiots
Shall we sign a peace treaty and bring an end to this war? or shall we carry on fighting? We can of course do both however maybe the 2 strongest teams shouldnt be fighting each other into a pointless stalemate?
Theres been a few things tossed around between our exstensive negotiations on msn, both parties being equally distracted by other things:civ4, pitboss, hattrick, tv, wine tasting???? so what came from you was a few things. Heres what we're offering mull them over if you want.
1-Peace with you for 30 turns
2-We'll give you every tech we research for the next 20 turns
3-We'll stay even with you militarily
4-No action shall be taken against existing cities on the east coast of yours and the land there shall become up for grabs for whoever gets a settler there first.
Get back to us when you've come to an answer, want to renegotiate or just want to give me something to do
Yours
BCLG-the coolest guy i know
greekguy
Missed the Boat
most of those points are good now, except for point #3. we will agree to never having a "stronger" military to the Galls, according to the Military Advisor. it should be allowed, in the treaty, for our armies to be considered "average" strength when compared to each other.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
ok now.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I have no objections to the message.
