Gandhi AI never makes it to modern age.

[xcaine]

I know he's a pacifist, but it's getting sad. In each game I played, if Gandhi was on the map, he got wiped out before modern age by another AI if not me.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[Guardian_PL]

Yeah, it's the only pretty consistent AI that hardly ever resorts to war and even if it does it's than normal AI "performance" and gets steamrolled in every game I had so far.

 

[Trickster7135]

The fact that less militaristic AI's get steamrolled every game really highlights how weak AI defenses are. Even if you had to give them a free unit per city, just so they'd have a basic ranged unit garrison, I'd say it's worth it.

 

[Eomer]

I know he's a pacifist, but it's getting sad. In each game I played, if Gandhi was on the map, he got wiped out before modern age by another AI if not me.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I've played 2 times with gandhi on my maps and every time he was on his way to world domination until I stopped him.

But AI is weak at defending their country and they always use their whole army for an attack, leaving their country open for counter attacks. Human players might from time to time accept peace treaties after the first wave is killed, but the AI never seems to do so. I think this are the two reasons why in a AI vs. AI war always one civ is being conquered.

 

[xcaine]

The fact that less militaristic AI's get steamrolled every game really highlights how weak AI defenses are. Even if you had to give them a free unit per city, just so they'd have a basic ranged unit garrison, I'd say it's worth it.

I stopped gifting them ranged units because they always send them out to get massacred same goes for city states. Unless they're better tech then what the opponent has.

 

[Trickster7135]

I stopped gifting them ranged units because they always send them out to get massacred same goes for city states. Unless they're better tech then what the opponent has.

Oh I didn't mean gifting them as the player, I meant making a mod or patch that coded every civ to have build a basic ranged unit and always garrison in the city, as well make sure those extra units don't increase the maintenance costs for civs.

 

[xcaine]

Add that to the long list for things to patch, yes.

 

[Syiss_]

I've seen Ghandi go on domination rampages before. I've also seen him make sad attempts at an OCC, but to be fair I've seen other civs do the same thing.

 

[Bibor]

LOL@the topic name. So true.

 

[gibson1314]

He won't last long in my game either he's only survived because of the bug where I can't declare war on him, now I have nukes hes gone!

 

[xcaine]

LOL@the topic name. So true.

Pozdrav susjedu

 

[Makaz]

I am still waiting to see Ghandi in medieval age myself. Modern age seems a long time away.

 

[Nunya]

Looking at Ghandi's AI traits we see the following:
WarmongerHate 7
Culture 8
Expansion 3
Military Training 3
Ranged 7
Affraid 3

So what Ghandi will be doing most of the time is going for a cultural victory with a small number of cities and a weak military. But then he'll get really angry with all the warmongers and he's fearless so that will eventually lead to a fight. And unfortunately for him warmongers tend to keep much larger militaries than him. To top it all off he also has a preference for ranged units which the AI is hopeless at using.

 

[Infiltrator]

I had a funny Gandhi on immortal. I was rolling over Siam before he got the chance to get to his elephants, so Gandhi is like "I will take the opportunity of an opening in your defenses", delcares on me, rushes in like a headless chicken, all 6 of his troops die by 1 knight with blitz/march, I take one of his cities with that same lonely knight, and next turn he offers me everything but his capitol for peace.

Makes me wonder how the hell did Greg mess up so bad when he played on immortal on that live stream.

 

[JWideman]

In my last domination victory (on king, standard, pangea) Ghandi was one of the final 3 opponents, even though Delhi was the second capitol I took, and he was stuck between Oda and Sulieman, with Alexander to the north.

 

[aimlessgun]

Ghandi has done fine so far in my experience. Ranges from early elimination to global superpower. Though so far the only Civ that I've seen any consistency from so far is Otto von Beastmark, who always does well.

 

[Lyoncet]

Actually, he won one game for me in the Modern era. Suleiman had run amok, destroying Germany, America, Rome, and part of China (I'd decided not to do any warring other than defensive). That left him, me, Gandhi, and what was left of Wu. Suleiman declared on Gandhi, then on my shortly after. Somehow, Gandhi (with 3 cities mind you) had gotten up to infantry against Suleiman's Janissaries, with along with a few defense wonders (Himeji Castle, and I think Kremlin), and held off probably 20+ Janissaries backed up by cannons in the mountain pass near the city that bordered the Ottomans.

I just sat back with my muskets/rifles and mowed down the Janissaries, until Wu declared on me; managed to get my units to her border just in time. If those 20-odd units Suleiman (who had probably 2/3s the continent) had amassed had come after me, I'd probably have lost the hammer cities I was banking on for spaceship parts.

I guess the AI is a lot better at defensive warfare against AI.

 

[qyll]

This is odd. In all the games I've played, Gandhi has been a threat. I've once arrived on the other continent to find a 20 city Gandhi who had taken over France and Arabia.

 

[Martin Alvito]

But AI is weak at defending their country and they always use their whole army for an attack, leaving their country open for counter attacks. Human players might from time to time accept peace treaties after the first wave is killed, but the AI never seems to do so.

From what I've seen, the AI works like this after a war begins:

- If war is going well, never make peace.
- If war stalemates, offer peace.
- If war is going poorly, offer peace with concessions.

The war can stop only if both AI participants reach the middle condition. So you tend to observe two types of wars: those where an AI gets rolled, and those that end swiftly. Third players can change that calculus, of course. The AI doesn't want to fight multiple front wars any more than you do.

 

[jtb3566]

Umm.... my last game, It was just me and Gandhi.

I was sitting in my little corner building a spaceship and he had conquered the entire rest of civilization.