Gandhi is the Man

[cometflash]

I think Gandhi is the best guy to trade over anybody. Is it a way to make another civ like him?

I'm playing with 31 civs right now, and I did before as well. Right now I know all 31 civs (yes they are all alive for now), and Gandhi give me anything that all the other civs have, for 2 or more gold less. He is annoyed with me right now, and I'm still going to get a tech from him, that more then half of the civ has, for 2 gold less, (and most of those civs are polite towards me).

I wonder if you ever have a civ that would give you more for something then Gandhi. But I'm talking about something that you have to trade giving gold, because giving techs, or maps may be more valuable to one civ then the other, and map as well (one civ could be close to learn a tech, or a civ might know places on the map that others don't).

 

[NavyDawg]

I think you're giving the civ a little too much credit for its "humanity." Any civ is just a bunch of zeroes and ones and algorithms. Some may be more likely to trade and be nice, but due to the random element I have seen a militant Gandhi and a peaceful Shaka. Everything varies from game to game.

 

[Pyrrhos]

I think you're giving the civ a little too much credit for its "humanity." Any civ is just a bunch of zeroes and ones and algorithms. Some may be more likely to trade and be nice, but due to the random element I have seen a militant Gandhi and a peaceful Shaka. Everything varies from game to game.

Spot on!

BTW, the only time I've seen a peaceful Shaka is when the Zulus ended up on an arctic island with room for five cities only with three fish, one whale, one gold and one game. The rest was tundra or mountain.

 

[cometflash]

Gandhi is the second in tech, and first in power right now, and he still is so nice.

But last night I got mad at him, more at the game then at him do.

Look what happen:

I was building the Hanging Gardens, with the intention of switching to the Tun Tzu's Art of War (because I have lots of barracks, in consequence of playing the Romans, which has a great UU, that I can upgrade from an Warrior).

So I got sick of the Carthaginians passing thru my land to get units to cities they have build around my, and I declare war at then. With that I got a golden age (which wasn't a bad Idea, as I was in republic already).

So I kept saving my games (in the same file name), to see when would any civ would learn Feudalism, because I was about to build the Hanging Gardens (as I GA, everything builds fast).

At the same time the HG splash come saying I build it, my advisor come saying the Indians was building the TTAW. So what I did I load the save which I was overwriting all the time, and I made the HG be build in two turns.

What happen was that Gandhi did not have learned Feudalism anymore, I tough maybe he was going to take an extra turn or too for some reason, so I made the HG require another 2 turns. But that didn't help, because Gandhi did not learn Feudalism.

I had no choice but build the HG, because even starving my citizens wouldn't help. After like 18 turns, Gandhi learn Theology (which I knew already (I learn one turn before I was about to build the HG), figuring
some other civ was going to learn Feudalism, as they usually do).
So right now, I'm learning education (I have print and press), and nobody learn Feudalism yet. Even know I got Engineering and Monotheism from Brazil and Germany (that has the G library), but did not learn anything new (by the way, I better sell Theology to Germany right away).

I got pre- Gandhi story, but that is big as well, so maybe I tell you guys later.

 

[Findus]

Gandhi has a agressiveness of 1/5 where Zulu has 5/5. This is how they feel about you at the start of the game. Also maybe you are playing as an asian which will give you another -1 to aggressiveness when playing with Gandhi.

 

[Plotinus]

I must say that I found the various AI civs in Civ I to be far more distinctive in playing style than the ones in Civ III, even though in Civ III they have traits and UUs which are supposed to make them more distinct. In Civ I, if you were near the Mongols, you knew they were going to come at you like they were possessed, for example. It was always a relief to meet the Indians because you could never have the Indians and Mongols in the same game (they had the same colour).

 

[Maimonides]

I agree about Ghandi. He's usually a peaceful nighbor that's willing to sell techs which is nice, but if he gets too powerful, he's a formidable adversary.

I can't think of a game I've played vs. the Zulus where they were peaceful. Even in Teturkhan's Play the World scenario, they attacked everybody they met with their mighty empire of 3 cities.

Gandhi has a agressiveness of 1/5 where Zulu has 5/5. This is how they feel about you at the start of the game. Also maybe you are playing as an asian which will give you another -1 to aggressiveness when playing with Gandhi.

Is there a chart of this posted somewhere? It could help tailor games to be conflict or peace oriented.

I must say that I found the various AI civs in Civ I to be far more distinctive in playing style than the ones in Civ III, even though in Civ III they have traits and UUs which are supposed to make them more distinct. In Civ I, if you were near the Mongols, you knew they were going to come at you like they were possessed, for example. It was always a relief to meet the Indians because you could never have the Indians and Mongols in the same game (they had the same colour).

I barely remember Civ I, but it got me hooked on the Civ series. When I saw a screenshot recently, I didn't remember the graphics being so simple. I do remember that the Indians & Mongols never appeared in the same game because they were assigned the same color. How funny. I liked setting up trade routes with the Caravan unit which is how I picked my avatar here. Well, that & the fact that I'm kind of a trader myself.

 

[Findus]

Is there a chart of this posted somewhere? It could help tailor games to be conflict or peace oriented.

Its in the editor, its easy to see just go to civlizations and among all the things you can edit there is a meter of aggressiveness.

 

[enigmaZ]

I'm playing with 31 civs right now

You must have the patience of Ghandi to play with 31 different civs. I can't play with more than 12 or else I go mad. Bless you

 

[cometflash]

For some reason, I felt like playing with lots of civs, so I went to the maximum.

It is a lot of work, at the begin wasn't bad, but having to trade with all of then, to keep up in tech, and making sure you don't get in to many wars at the same time, is not easy.

Right now I'm not trading much, and most of then are annoyed, and furious with me.

 

[Stormrage]

Have you tried nuking? I hear that helps

 

[cometflash]

Haha I'm not even there yet, I'm researching Banking, after I got some successful wars, I got back in the game in tech. I had a lot of money saved, so I upgrade all my warriors to Legionary and I toke care of the Carthaginians, (that made me get half of the techs that the big boys had), Israel was moving a bunch of horseman thru my territory, and right after I sing a peace of treaty with the Carthaginians, they declare war at me.

This was the first time I a civ have enter my territory and declare war right away, probable because usually when I see units in my land, I ask then to get out or declare war. Another thing was, that I had a right of passage with then, which make even more unusual for then to attack, but they did.

But was very stupid move, because they were near by my battle against the Carthaginians, so I got the the Carthaginians to help me out (..lol, I just destroy then, and now they are helping me). I left the Carthaginians, to take care of the horsemans in my territory, and got my pile of Legionary (something like 15 Legionary, plus a 15/15 army load with Legionary, and I toke 5 cities in five turns, losing only two units. Everybody that toke hit points, I fortify in the city I toke, and the rest of the pile went to the next city, after they got full health I move to another city (leave one just one to that city). After I toke the five cities, I went to peace of treaty, because my citizens start it to get revolt about the war, but I was still able to get more cities, form the peace of treaty, so Israel, has only three cities left.

 

[Stormrage]

They RoP raped you? Wow.. I`ve only seen it a few times..

 

[cometflash]

Yes they did, now when if I try to trade with then, my adviser give me some message to not trust then, and I went with my adviser, I ain't trusting those guys any more.

And they should be thankful, because if wasn't for me, they wouldn't be there (I add then...lol).

 

[Stormrage]

Yeah, you are like a god to them