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[GS] Gathering Storm Leader Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by NullNullError, Aug 30, 2019.

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  1. NullNullError

    NullNullError Chieftain

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [9] 8+1 her biggest bonus is her guranteed choice of pantheon. Meaning in island maps she is the best choice as she can almost gurantee the +1 Production to fishing boats. She is the queen of all Naval Civs and should therefore not fall already. Faith also doesn't have to be spent on missionaries/ships. Golden Ages and just buying tons of settlers is currently one of the best strategy so any free faith is always welcome.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [24]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [16]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [26]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [2]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [15] 18-3 I encounter masses of Barbarians early in my last few games so this ability is on par with Gorgo. Especially if I my city gets discovered by a scout on turn 3 which happens pretty often and would put me ahead of Trajan.
     
  2. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Idea Fountain

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22] (21+1) Espionage is very good in Civ 6: you can halt Scientific Victory with it by sabotaging spaceports, and severely reduce your rival's culture victory by stealing their great works. Want to win domination? You have a small combat boost (+3 or +6 depending on listening post access), plus you can always siphon funds to maintain a large army. Want to win Dip? Fabricate scandals everywhere! Because Catherine gets that extra spy and her spies are also better on top of that, she can rely on espionage to buy herself time in order to win whatever victory condition she pleases. She's the ultimate jill-of-all-trades. LOVE IT.
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [9]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21] (24-3) The combat strength bonus Tokimune receives is very situational, and while cheaper Encampments and Holy Sites are appreciated, they don't make that much of a difference. Japan doesn't receive active bonuses towards a religious victory, just founding one. To me the only outstanding thing are the cheaper Theatre Squares, which are also boosted by Meiji Restoration, but there are better culture abilities. The baseline for me is that this ability is good, but outclassed by its peers.
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [16]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [26]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [2]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [15]
     
  3. Krajzen

    Krajzen Deity

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18+1=19]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [9]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [16]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [26]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [2-3=eliminated]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [15]

    Die Roosevelt! I still think you are overrated and don't deserve to be in top20.

    Cyrus - total war civ with essentially perma casus belli, super fast troops, instantly useful occupation and easier loyalty. Definitely should be high.
     
  4. Leucarum

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [9]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [13] (16-3) It's very good but a little unpredictable.
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [26]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16 ] (15+1) I like early culture boosts. Gorgo probably shouldn't have gone quite as fast as she did. Glad trajan is still around...
     
  5. Architect

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [6] (9 - 3) Really has to be the next one to go. May purchase naval units with faith is not that great.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [13]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27] (26 + 1) Needs more upvotes. Cheap unit, amazing governor, all in a leader ability. It could be a civ ability and it would still be op.
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16]
     
  6. enKage

    enKage Follower of Zoamelgustar

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    Oh, I missed a chance to kill Sal

    OK
    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [6]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10] 13-3 Not dependent on player. the only way to be declared current patches is military intervention. Liberating city states is more reliable and can be used very late to speed up space race, but still not guaranteed. There is no way to bribe AIs into wars, so in fact little use.
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [17] 16+1 Earlier 4card / 6 card governments and for many turns it will guarantee 20-50% of your culture. Crazy and not to be eliminated yet. At least not before Kristina / Curtin. The only way to get culture early is tiles (map dependent), city states (map and luck dependent) pingala (needs at least 2 promotions and usually pingala first is not the best) and population (only 0,2 per pop).
     
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  7. Kwami

    Kwami Emperor

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [18] (21 - 3) This ability is actually pretty good, but, eh, another "get stuff for 10 turns" ability. This one is better than some others since you have total control over it, but it's still entirely war focused and thus not always useful.
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [6]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [18] (17 + 1) Voting against this ability is madness. Guaranteed early Culture in every city is amazing. This is way better than Gorgo's ability because it doesn't require building military units and it doesn't require nearby enemy units. In fact, it doesn't requite anything except that you settle a city. Any city. You always get the Culture and you always get it when it's most important.
     
  8. SagarRathore

    SagarRathore Chieftain

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19] 18+1 Between this nd Cyrus ,I like this more due to less grievance nd extra strength,it also make Varu,Super Varu.
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16] 19-3 I like Chandragupta ability more
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [6]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [18]
     
  9. _Calyx

    _Calyx Warlord

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21] (24-3) This ability is good, but has a very narrow focus: war only. At least Chandragupta and Cyrus have abilities that you can use to increase builder movement.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [6]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [19] (18+1) For those down-voting because Gorgo has been eliminated: 1) don't repeat that mistake, Gorgo didn't deserve it and 2) this ability is stronger than Gorgo's because the free monuments give your city tile expansion, loyalty, and don't require you to build units.
     
  10. lotrmith

    lotrmith King

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [7] = 6 + 1 I love faith buying units and she is the only civ that can faith buy Navy. This ability just went up in value with the new maps and buffs to coastal civs / tiles.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [24]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [23]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16] = 19 - 3. Consistent with eliminating Gorgo. This ability is good but it is not better than Gorgo. Gorgo often provides more culture early than Trajan, killing two birds with one stone by rewarding you beyond the intrinsic value of building units. Plus, this ability scales throughout the game as the combat strength of units increases. Trajan's ability does not scale and does not stack with a comparable universal ability (ie: a civ with a combat bonus stacks with other natural combat bonuses, but Trajan's columns do not 'stack' in this manner because you cannot build additional Monuments, in the end the bonus is something most other cities end up with organically).


    A note on China: It is the *relative* value of a builder charge that has gone down. Other civs have bonuses to faith which, combined with Monumentality, allow them to spit out more builders than China. All civs now have access to Pingala, which changes the comparative base value of a builder charge. A 4 charge Chinese builder is 25% better than a 3 charge base builder, but comparing a 5 charge Chinese Pingala builder to another civ's 4 charge Pingala builder makes than only a 20% difference. If you throw in the +2 charge policy, a 7 charge Chinese builder is only 14% better than another civs 6 charge builder.

    Also on 'relative value' of combat strength, a +5 combat bonus provides the same amount of increased damage dealt and decreased damage taken regardless of the base values of the units involved. IE a +5 bonus is just as valuable on a tank vs an infantry as it is on a warrior vs a spearman. If an opponent gets combat bonuses, and you get the same bonuses *plus your extra +5*, you have a significant advantage.
     
  11. Weraptor

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [7]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [25] (24+1) The change to immortal/deity CS defenses has really helped here.
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20] (23-3) Comes into play later than the remaining warmonger bonuses.
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16]
     
  12. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [4] = 7 - 3. Free faith is nice but the requirements to get it are dependent on the land around you. The value of faith is dependent on a number of things (early golden ages, religion, etc.). The need for boats is dependent on the map type and if you are at war. Just too situational all around.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [10]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [25]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26] = 25 + 1. Agree that the wall changes for CS really helped this. In addition, GS has made the game lasts longer and made the mid/late game is more relevant giving this ability more time to work its magic. The synergy with the Acropolis makes Pericles the premier culture civ/leader in the game.
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16]
     
  13. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [4]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [30]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [7] = 10 - 3 Not as reliable as you may want. I always say I will use this a lot in my games, but hardly find opportunities to do so. Often because I'm allied or friends with city state takers. The only option is a game with no alliances or dec. of friendships ever.
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [26] = 25 + 1 This one wins games. Not the most exciting, but it delivers the goods.
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16]
     
  14. bengalryan9

    bengalryan9 King

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [1] (4-3) Fun and useful, but probably time to go. She's not the leader of the top naval civ...
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31] (30+1) ...this guy is.

    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [7]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [26]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [33]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16]

    I find it interesting that despite Australia generally being considered top tier all of the uniques are (wrongly, IMO) getting eliminated earlier than you'd expect.
     
  15. The Highwayman

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [ELIMINATED] [1-3] A good ability, as it assures a fast pantheon of your choosing in addition to a solid supplement to your faith economy with enough cities by coasts/lakes, which are no longer terrible. No small feat. But if your coastal quality is limited, the faith purchasing of ships won't cut it. The AI is notoriously bad at naval stuff...so any civ will do here. They're near pointless in non naval dom games anyways, save for era score. Solid, but time to exit.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [7]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [26]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [34] [33+1] The OG of OP civs allows you to go even wider. Combat strength for improving tiles you're going to improve anyways. This game was made for going wide and fighting. +1.
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [16]
     
  16. Troy Bruckner

    Troy Bruckner Prince

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [22]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [7]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North 23 [26-3] Pericles will have three times the culture around 1BC as Kristina has. This is a red herring and should have been eliminated well before Mali and the +42 GPT on trade routes.
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [34]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column 17[16+1] If you can keep the faith production high then this is a godlike ability, so it deserves some loving, but alas the Romans are not very good with faith....
     
  17. Datgingah

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [19] (22-3) Good extra visibiilty is a little nice, and the spies are nice, so overall good, but we've gotten to the point where I'd like to see abilities that are a bit better then this.
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [7]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [23]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [34]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [18] (17+1) I feel like I have to keep adding to this one because people here are seriously undervaluing no-investment free culture - actually better it removes the investment you'd later need to make and lets you focus on every other part of your game plan. I agree gorgo shouldn't have gone as soon, but Trajan is a much more consistent culture generator then her so she was always going to go first.
     
  18. Zyxpsilon

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [19]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [16]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [4] [7-3] Highly situational (At War!) boost in Production. But still dependant on triggering "events" that don't make it much better than any other regular flow of Combat Units -- without it.
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [23]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [34]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [27] [26+1] Basicly allows for rapid Civics Tree research while also stacking many Diplo-Favor points. Winning combo effects on two Victory conditions.
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [18]
     
  19. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis King

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [19]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [13] (16-3) This is too easily cheesed/abused. It encourages you to screw with the game mechanics for the full effect.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [4]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [24] (23+1) More than just double culture and tourism! The Queen's Bibliotheque gives you six slots for your great works. It's practically having an extra amphitheatre, art museum, and broadcast tower for your capital, but even more so with the double tourism! There's also the QoL feature of not having to do annoying micromanaging to theme your works. No moving things around, no trading, no hoping you can get the one piece of art you need. Just straight up auto-theming. It's very convenient.
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [34]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [27]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [18]
     
  20. Icicle

    Icicle Prince

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [19]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra - [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon - [10] Pretty meh, and the weakest remaining. Just a worse version of Chandy's for the most part. The loyalty is nice but the higher CS from Chandy's means you can just take the next city that much easier and it's far less of a hassle. The decreased warmongering penalty may as well not exist.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [31]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [4]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [24]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [34]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [27]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [25]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [27]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [21] (20+1) it takes some time to get going but once it does the Zulu war machine has a unique mid-game spike that this ability is a large part of. Very powerful and a different take on most warmongering, which I appreciate.
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [22]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [18]
     
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