1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

[GS] Gathering Storm Leader Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by NullNullError, Aug 30, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. NullNullError

    NullNullError Chieftain

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2019
    Messages:
    53
    This thread is moderator approved.

    Gathering Storm Threads:

    Civ Unique Ability Elimination Thread
    CIV Unique Unit Eliminitation Thread


    Pre Gathering Storm Threads:

    City-State Elimination Thread,
    World Wonder Elimination Thread,

    Unique Unit Elimination Thread.
    Leader Ability Eliminiation Thread


    Ranking:
    S-tier for those game changers

    1. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor.
    2. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North
    3. Montezuma Gifts for the Tlatoani
    4. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory
    5. Trajan- Trajan's Column
    6. Suleiman - Grand Vizier
    7. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King

    A-tier for the really good abilities that arent broken


    8. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus
    9. Kristina - Minerva of the North
    10. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind
    11. Shaka - Amabutho
    12. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron
    13. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon

    14. Alexander - To The World's End
    15. Chandragupta - Arthashastra


    B-tier for those that are good but too niche

    16. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization
    17. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three World
    18. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary

    19.Saladin - Righteousness of Faith
    20. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants

    21. Dido - Founder of Carthage
    22. Victoria - Pax Britannic

    C-Tier for those that could use a small buff

    23. Gorgo - Thermopylae
    24. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.
    25. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde
    26. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union
    27. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love

    28. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang
    30.
    Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe
    31. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride


    D-Tier for those that could use a bigger buff

    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms
    33. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ
    34. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage
    first new leader
    35. Pedro II - Magnanimous
    36. Philip II - El Escorial
    37.Tamar Glory to the World,
    38. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu
    39. Gandhi - Satyagraha


    F-tier do these abilities even exist? Or the other aspects of these civs are probably really strong and they will never get a second leader as the second leader would also need a useless ability and new leaders need exciting abilities.

    40. Jayavarman - Monasteries of the King
    41. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn
    42. Lautaro - Swift Hawk
    43. Peter - The Grand Embassy
    44. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert.
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje.
    Poor Wilhemina getting last for the second time.



    Now we will rank the Leader abilities of Civ VI. Which ones synergize well with their civ? Which are OP or useful? Which are weak or ineffective? Which do you enjoy? Which have good synergies with the other abilities of the civ? Which are historically fitting. Let's find out which Leader is the best in Civ VI Gathering Storm!

    Will the same Leaders triumph? Which Newcomer will surprise everyone?

    Rules
    • Only the Leader Unique Ability is included for consideration. You can vote based on value, strength, uniqueness, fun, etc. This means not the Civilization Unique Ability, the Unique Infrastructure, or the Unique Unit. (If the ability effects another unique, you can consider it in terms of synergy with the civ and your likelihood of benefitting, but not in terms of other bonuses.)
    • We are only considering the benefits within the Gathering Storm ruleset- because we cannot compare Gathering Storm civilizations to other ability variations in a game, those abilities cannot be fairly compared. To date, Gathering Storm is the most complete variation of Civ VI. That said, on it we shall base our considerations.
    • Vote based on current effect. Is it broken? Intended function doesn't count. Is it working better than it should? You can reward that until Firaxis decides to change it.
    • Vote roughly once per 24 hours. Voting significantly earlier must be explained.
    • Add one point to an ability, and take away three from a single different ability.
    • You must give a reason. Posts without reason will not be counted until a reason will be added.
    • Voting for the same ability several times is not forbidden, however try to spread your votes around and be fair in your assessments.
    • Delete the previous voters comments, and indicate your comments in some way (bold, italicize, color, something that will draw attention)

    Leader Abilities Summary
    Leader Abilities Summary
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [20] Cities do not incur war weariness. All military units heal completely when this player captures a city with a world wonder. Can build the Hetaroi unique unit.
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20] +20% Production on all districts rising to +40% if the citycontains a Nubian Pyramid adjacent to the City Center.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20] Has 1 level of Diplomatic Visibility greater than normal with every civilization that she's met. Receives a free Spy(and extra spy capacity) with the Castles technology. All spies start as Agents with a free promotion.
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20] Can declare a War of Territorial Expansion after gaining the Military Training Civic. +2 Movement and +5 Combat Strength for the first 10 turns after declaring a War of Territorial Expansion.
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20] Your Trade Routes to other civilizations provide +4 Gold for Egypt. Other civilizations' . Trade Routes to Egypt provide +2 Food for them and +2 Gold for Egypt. Trading with Allies earns twice as many bonus Alliance Points.
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20] +2 Movement for all units for the next 10 turns after declaring a Surprise War. Surprise Wars count as Formal Wars for the purposes of warmongering penalties and war weariness. Occupied cities have no penalties to their yields. +5 Loyalty per turn in occupied cities with a garrisoned unit. Declaring a Surprise War only counts as a Formal War for the purpose of warmongering and Grievances.
    7. Dido- Founder of Carthage [20] Cities with a Cothon gain the unique Move Capital project, which moves the Phoenician capital to that city. Gains +1 Trade Route capacity after building the Government Plaza or any Government Plaza building. +50% Production towards districts in the city with the Government Plaza.
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine Court of Love [20] Each Great Work in her cities causes foreign cities within 9 tiles to lose 1 Loyalty per turn. Any foreign city that leaves its civilizationdue to loss of Loyalty and is receiving the most Loyalty pressure from Eleanor instantly joins her empire, instead of becoming a Free City.
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20] Additional Military policy slot. +7 Combat Strength when attacking city-states.
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20] +5 Faith for each civilization (including India) they have met that has founded a Religion and is not currently at war. Opposing civilizations receive double the war weariness forfighting against Gandhi.
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20] All cavalry class units gain +3 Combat Strength and a chance to capture defeated enemy cavalry class units.
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20] May declare war on anyone at war with their allies without warmonger penalties. When at war with a common foe, they and their allies share pillage rewards and share combat experience gains if within 5 tiles. Their Alliances gain Alliance Points for being at war with a common foe.
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20] Naval units can be purchased with Faith. Religious units pay no movement to embark or disembark. +2 Faith to City Centers that are adjacent to Coast or Lake tiles
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20] Combat victories provide Culture equal to 50% of the Combat Strength of the defeated unit.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20] +50% Production toward naval melee units. All naval melee units gain the ability to perform Coastal Raids. Gain the Viking Longshipunique unit with Sailing.Receive Science in addition to Gold when pillaging and coastal raiding Mines and Culture in addition to Faith when pillaging and coastal raiding Quarries, Pastures, Plantations, and Camps.
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20] Land units in Coastal tilesand naval units in Coast tiles receive +5 Combat Strength. Build Encampment, Holy Site and Theater Squaredistricts in half the time. Districts, improvementsand units are immune to damage from Hurricanes. +100% damage from Hurricanes in Japanese territory to civilizations at war with Japan.
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20] Taking territory off another city via Poland's Civ Ability converts it to your religion. Relics provide +4 Gold, +2 Culture and +2 Faith. Holy Sites have increased adjacency bonuses.
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20] Holy Sites provide +2 Food and +1 Housing if placed on a river. Holy Sites trigger a culture bomb.
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20] +100% Production if they have either received a declaration of war in the past 10 turns or liberated a city in the past 10 turns.
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [20] Buildings with at least three Great Work slots and wonders with at least two Great Work slots are automatically themed when all slots are filled. Gains the Queen's Bibliotheque unique building in the Government Plaza.
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20] Starts the game in the Ocean. +2 Science and +2 Culture per turn before the first city is settled. Their first settled city receives a free Builder and +1 Population. The Palace grants +3 Housing and +1 Amenity.
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [20] If a Mapuche unit defeats an enemy unit within the borders of the enemy city, that city loses 20 Loyalty. Pillaging loses 5 loyalty.
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20] International Trade Routes gain +1 Gold for every flat Desert tile in the sending city. Entering a Golden Age permanently grants +1 Trade Route capacity.
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20] Levied city-state units receive +2 Movement and +5 Combat Strength, and can be upgraded at a 75% discount in Gold or resources. Levying troops from a city-state grants 2 Envoys with that city-state. Gain the Black Army unique unit with Castles.
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20] Improved Luxury resources provide an Amenity to 2
    extra cities. Military units receive +1 Combat Strength for each different improved Luxury resource in Aztec territory.
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20] May not build Holy Site Districts, gain Great Prophets, or found Religions. Gains all Beliefs of any Religion that has established itself in a majority of his cities. Receives an Apostle each time he finishes a M'banza or Theater Square(of that city's majority Religion).
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]Domestic Trade Routes gain +1 Food for every Mountain tilein the origin city. Gain the Qhapaq Ñan unique improvement with Foreign Trade.
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20] Recruiting or patronizing a Great Person refunds 20% of their point cost.
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20] +5% Culture per city-state you are the Suzerain of.
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20] Receives Science or Culture from Trade Routes to civilizations that are more advanced than Russia (+1 per 3 technologies or civics ahead).
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20] All units receive +4 Combat Strength against civilizations following a different Religion. Inquisitors have one extra use of their Remove Heresy ability. Inquisitors eliminate 100% of the presence of other Religions.
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20] All Alliance types provide Shared Visibility. Trade Routes grant +1 Food in the sending city and +1 Gold in the receiving city per Camp or Pasture in the receiving city.
    33 Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20] Builders receive an additional build charge. Can spend Builder charges to complete 15% of the Production cost for Ancient and Classical wonders. Canals are unlocked with Masonrytechnology.
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [20] Can declare a War of Liberation after gaining the Defensive Tactics Civic, instead of the Diplomatic Service Civic. +100% Production and +2 Movement for the first 10 turns after declaring a War of Liberation.
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20] The Worship building for Arabia's Religion can be purchased by any player at one-tenth of the usual Faith cost. 10% extra Science, Faith, and Culture on Arabian cities with this Worship building.
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20] +3% Culture and +3% Science per Governor promotion.
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20] Has access to a unique Governor, Ibrahim, the Grand Vizier. Gain the Janissary unique unit with Gunpowder.
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20] May form Corps (Mercenaries Civic) and Armies (Nationalism Civic) earlier. An additional +5 Base Combat Strength to both Corps and Armies.
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20] +100% Faith for 10 turns after declaring a Protectorate War. Each Envoy you send to a city-state of your majority Religion counts as two Envoys. (Must have a majority Religion.)
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20] Units receive +5 Combat Strength on their home continent. +1 Appeal to all tiles in a city with a National Park. Can build the Rough Rider UU.
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20] All units receive +5 Combat Strength when attacking wounded units. When they eliminate a unit, they heal up to 30 hit points.
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20] All cities start with an additional City Center building. (Starts with a Monument building in the Ancient era.)
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]Founding a city or building a Royal Navy Dockyard outside of their home continentgrants a free melee unit in that city. Gain the Redcoat unique unit with Military Science.
    The first city founded on each continent other than their home continent grants a free melee unit in that city and +1 Trade Route capacity. Building a Royal Navy Dockyardgrants a free naval unit in that city. Gain the Redcoat unique unit with Military Science.
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20] Can build Farms on Tundra tiles, and on Tundra Hills tiles with Civil Engineering. Purchasing Snow, Snow Hills, Tundra Hills, and Tundra tiles is 50% cheaper. On Snow, Snow Hills, Tundra Hills, and Tundra tiles, +100% extraction rate of accumulated resources, Mines and Lumber Mills receive +1 extra Production and Camps receive +1 extra Food.
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [20] Your Trade Routes to your own cities provide +1 Loyalty per turn for the starting city. Trade Routes sent to or received from a foreign civilization provide +1 Culture to you.
    .
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
    Kmart_Elvis likes this.
  2. NullNullError

    NullNullError Chieftain

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2019
    Messages:
    53
    Starting Score

    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [20]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido- Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine Court of Love [20]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [20]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [20]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [20]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [20]
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2019
  3. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis Chieftain

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2018
    Messages:
    296
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    California
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [20]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido- Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine Court of Love [20]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21] 20+1 It's British Museum... On steroids. Auto-theming is so powerful with the double tourism, even better when it auto themes Any works, so just collect and collect. One of my favorite LA from GS.
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [20]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [20]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [17] 20-3 This could actually be a decent ability if you were allowed to immediately cancel and reroute trade routes. As it is, it's a paltry loyalty or culture bonus that you won't even notice.
     
  4. Pietato

    Pietato Warlord

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2014
    Messages:
    1,366
    Location:
    New Zealand
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [20]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21] - Extremely fun and powerful. Changes the way you play completely.
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [20]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [20]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [14] - An absolute joke.
     
  5. NullNullError

    NullNullError Chieftain

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2019
    Messages:
    53
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [20]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21] The the ulimate raider Civ is a really good fit for Harald. They probably won't survive for long but I like the buff they got.
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [20]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [20]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [11] I really Wanted to downvote something else but I cant find anything less intresting and bad.
     
  6. Tinkerture

    Tinkerture Chieftain

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2019
    Messages:
    12
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]=20+1 I don't tend to gravitate towards warring civs, so I'll set my bias aside for this vote. Immunity to war weariness means that Alexander can wage continuous war without having to worry about keeping his cities happy. Additionally, he gets the Hetaroi unique unit which ended up top 6 in the unique unit elimination thread. The healing upon wonder capture is just gravy.
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [20]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]=20-3 Scotland is one of my top 3 favorite civs, but that's in spite of this ability not because of it. For it's power level, the situation is so niche that I'm not sure I've once made use of it in a game. It will be interesting to see if this has any defenders because maybe I'll learn something.
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [11]
     
  7. Architect

    Architect Chieftain

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2002
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21] (20 + 1) Just played a France game as Catherine on Deity and the spies are crazy good and really make a difference in the catch up game.
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17] (20 - 3) This is just really hard to pull off and not strong enough.
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [20]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [11]
     
  8. Caprikel

    Caprikel Chieftain

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2017
    Messages:
    106
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    North Carolina, but secretly a Minnesotan
    New
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [21] (20+1) This is straight up the best ability (probably) and what makes Hungary one of the most interesting Civs to play. Maybe the nerf could keep it from being the best, but it's still amazing. It's the only way to turn gold into envoys, it makes levied units super fast and strong, and lets you spam fully upgraded units.
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [20]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [8] (11-3) For a nation that became a major power mainly through trade akin to Venice, this is not a trading bonus that well represents that. I get that this ability is weak to balance Netherlands other abilities being strong, but it doesn't feel justified considering Australia has similar abilities while also having a strong Leader Ability. +1 culture or loyalty is just nothing.
     
  9. Beaver79

    Beaver79 Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    172
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [21]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. 17 - 3 = [20] These polls are weird. We are asked to judge one part of a civ in a vacuum, but many civs have abilities that just go together. The pit archer won for Nubia only because Nubia gets a production and experience bonus, on it's own it's just an archer that moves +1 and +5 strength. Kongo's civ ability finished very high only because this thing exists. This is a terrible nerf where you can't build anything religious and can't really generate any faith. On it's own this is bad. Way worse than if a civ got 1 culture for every 10 trade routes they sent out.
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. 21 = [20] + 1 Yay science/culture
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [8]
     
  10. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2017
    Messages:
    3,509
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Paskov
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage [20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [21]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [20]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20+1=21] - I love to hoard wonders, and having this means basically any early wonder guaranteed. +1 builder charge is something useful throughout the whole campaign. And you get canals four eras earlier. That's a nice perk, too.
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. 21
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [8-3=5] - Barely noticable.
     
  11. Goodenuf

    Goodenuf Chieftain

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    168
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [22 = 21 + 1] Levying troops is such an underused strategy, and great for gaining an insta-army in a hurry.
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [14 = 17- 3] If I can't build a Holy Site and can't found a Religion, then what's the point of the free Apostle (unless you get the free-relic-when-you-die promotion)? I just end up using them to take out other religious units at random just for fun. And it's not that much fun.
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [21]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. 21 = [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [5]
     
  12. Krajzen

    Krajzen Warlord

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,461
    Location:
    Poland
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [20+1=21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [14]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [21]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [5-3=2]

    Arthashastra gives you the best Casus Belli in classical era instead of modern era, allowing you to basically invade everybody on demand with two times smaller penalties than surprise war. And on top of that, it gives bonus strength and +2 move for all units for first 10 turns. Combine that with Indian unique elephant unit and you get unexpected Blitzkrieg civ. I also love it for thematic reasons: how clever it is, fitting, and turning 'peaceful India' cliche on its head.

    Radio Oranje is such incredible garbage lol, it is almost the only unique civ feature (of any kind) which gives me vibes 'how could any dev think this is useful?'.
     
  13. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,772
    Location:
    Alpha Quadrant
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [17]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [14]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [20]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22 = 21 + 1] - In the last Leader elimination thread I downvoted Qin because I didn't value getting early wonders that much. After playing with China a bunch since then I have to say I was wrong. China is guaranteed any early wonder, even on deity, provided they get the proper terrain and beeline for it.
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
    45. Wilhemina - Radio Oranje. [ELIMINATED = 2 - 3] - Goodbye Wilhemina. I like you but this is not the reason why. The culture is only noticeable in the early game but barbs are usually running rampant at that time so foreign trade routes are out of the question. The +1 loyalty won't save a city from flipping.

    Edit: Some leaders were errantly removed. I added them back in. Hopefully everything is up to date
     
  14. Leucarum

    Leucarum Chieftain

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2018
    Messages:
    363
    Gender:
    Male
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14] (17-3) This ability barely works. I enjoy the Mapuche but Lautsro's ability needs a rethink
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [14]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [21] (20+1) Yes, that's right I want all the culture.
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [20]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]

    Edited (twice) to reflect previous post
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2019
  15. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,772
    Location:
    Alpha Quadrant
    Need to add in Gorgo and Amanitore @Leucarum
     
    Leucarum likes this.
  16. TeddyMain

    TeddyMain Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2019
    Messages:
    15
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Texas
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [11] [14-3] I'm surprised this one was not eliminated first. The only leader ability of this list and the only ability period that actually DENIES you a victory path, and that fact that you can't found a religion means that the free apostles are worthless, and actually just help someone else spread their religion and thus advance their possible religious victory. This ability allows you to help OTHER PLAYERS attain a religious victory. This ability is near worthless, it not completely detrimental to your playthrough.
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [21]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [21] [20+1] Although not game changing, this ability has some nice perks. +5 combat strength is helpful for surviving in the early game, and the extra appeal from National Parks can help create chains of these parks, and possibly an insane amount of tourism. Also a nice cavalry unit. Again, not game changing, but great in advancing towards a culture victory.
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [20]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
     
  17. DogeEnricoDandolo

    DogeEnricoDandolo Chieftain

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2017
    Messages:
    170
    Gender:
    Male
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [20]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [21]
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [8] [11-3] How am I supposed to use my free Apostles beside helping my enemies win a Religious Victory over me?
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [21]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [21]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [21]=20+1 A bonus that automatically kicks in the moment you put down your first city
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
     
  18. KayAU

    KayAU Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2014
    Messages:
    633
    A couple of comments to the first posts: There has also been a post GS unique unit thread, and Seondeok's ability gives +3% for each promotion. So, for example, a city where the governor has 3 promotions gets 9%.

    It's going to be a lot easier to find things to downvote this time around:

    Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [20]
    Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
    Chandragupta - Arthashastra [21]
    Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [20]
    Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [20]
    Gandhi - Satyagraha [20]
    Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [20]
    Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu [20]
    Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds [20]
    Gorgo - Thermopylae [20]
    Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [21]
    Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20]
    Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [20]
    Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King [20]
    John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [20]
    Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    Kupe - Kupe's Voyage [20]
    Lautaro - Swift Hawk [14]
    Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
    Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [22]
    Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [20]
    Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert [5] (8 - 3) My first downvote goes to one of my favorite civs. This ability, however, I consider to be the worst in the game, as it is a significant malus. Wilhelmina's tiny bonuses are at least not directly damaging her.
    Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    Pedro II - Magnanminous [20]
    Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [21]
    Peter - The Grand Embassy [20]
    Philip II - El Escorial [20]
    Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [20]
    Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [23] (22 + 1) Still a great ability. Extra builder charges are very good on their own, but the ability to rush wonders is what I personally enjoy the most. To China, an old world wonder essentially costs 1,5 builders.
    Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn [17]
    Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [20]
    Seondeok - Hwarang [21]
    Suleiman - Grand Vizier [20]
    Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith [20]
    Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [21]
    Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [20]
    Trajan - Trajan's Column [21]
    Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
    Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [20]
     
  19. bengalryan9

    bengalryan9 Chieftain

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2018
    Messages:
    172
    Gender:
    Male
    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe. [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17] (20-3) The thing is... I rarely want to conquer city states. That's just a personal decision as to how I play, but it makes this pretty pointless, and the extra military card slot doesn't do much for me either.
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha. [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [20]
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [22] (21+1) Probably my favorite on the list (though I'll probably throw a few votes to Qin and others too). Pillaging for science and culture is so much fun, and with the boost to your naval unit production and increased strength of your longships (not to mention the fact that they can retreat into the ocean heal earlier... but that's a civ ability) and it fundamentally changes your approach to the early game. I was a huge supporter of the longship in the UU thread... this ability is why.
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage[20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants. [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King. [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert. [5]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous. [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [21]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy. [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial.[20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang. [21]
    37. Suleiman Grand Vizier. [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho. [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith. [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [21]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [21]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica.[20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West.[20]
     
  20. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2012
    Messages:
    1,463
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI, USA
    1. Alexander - To The World's End [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [20]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [20]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [20]
    7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [20]
    8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [21]
    9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [17]
    10. Gandhi - Satyagraha [20]
    11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [20]
    12. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu [20]
    13. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds [20]
    14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [17] 20-3 - I find a lot of abilities that are like this, which require a lot of work for relatively small return, are much less useful than it would seem when they are designed.
    15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [23] 22+1 - This is, I think, the only good thing about Norway. That said, it's really good. The added abilities make naval melee good enough (generally they're quite forgettable), and the pillage ability is actually quite powerful (especially combined with the right policies).
    16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20]
    17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [20]
    18. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King [20]
    19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [20]
    20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [21]
    21. Kupe - Kupe's Voyage [20]
    22. Lautaro - Swift Hawk [14]
    23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [20]
    24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [22]
    25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [20]
    26. Mvemba a Nzinga - Religious Convert [5]
    27. Pachacuti - Qhapaq Nañ [20]
    28. Pedro II - Magnanminous [20]
    29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [21]
    30. Peter - The Grand Embassy [20]
    31. Philip II - El Escorial [20]
    32. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms [20]
    33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [23]
    34. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn [17]
    35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [20]
    36. Seondeok - Hwarang [21]
    37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [20]
    38. Shaka - Amabutho [20]
    39. Tamar - Glory to the World, Kingdom, and Faith [20]
    40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [21]
    41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [20]
    42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [21]
    43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [20]
    44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [20]

    I also want to comment on Mvemba A Nzinga, although I will not upvote them because I think the ability is still weak. I think that they are being unfairly downvoted when people are commenting on the uselessness of the apostles. The apostles actually serve several purposes. First, they give you the ability to attempt to spread a different religion than whichever you do not want growing and potentially winning the game. So they are a defensive value. Next, they can be used to generate relics, which Kongo and many other cultural civs want (even ignoring their bonus yields when owned by Kongo, as we must per the rules). Finally, they allow you to spread the religion with the founder beliefs you want and benefit from more easily. So, they absolutely have a purpose. I don't think they're strong, but they're not worthless.

    I also want to know that I am particularly frustrated with Suleiman's bonus. Not because it's weak, but because all of his bonuses are not about him. They're about other people. There's nothing in there that really emphasized his magnificence, other than that he utilized the talents of those around him. That's kinda lame.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2019
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page