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Civrules said:
Here: ;) ....
ok.
i will sit on the naughty stool for 30 minutes :mischief:
maybe nanna will :spank: me?

what i meant was the minor usual stuff, like: flowers (4th date or later), buy her a beer or a drink, but do not pay the entire tab.
 
chrisrossi said:
Why do girls want their boys to do all the chasing?

Because it is exciting to them. Women love attention. (Ever notice all the drama they incite?) That's why if you don't do the chasing but at the same time are living life to the fullest and are being nonchalant about her behavior she will start chasing you.
It is also a way for her to test how dedicated you are to her in the beginning. It's our human dating ritual. Before I used to think that games like these were stupid and unnecessary, but when it comes down to it, they serve a purpose. It's just how you deal with it.

You do not want to get depressed over her constantly running and you chasing. Do some running yourself. Give her attention one day and the next day act as if she's no big deal.
The problem is this. Some might say:
"Well, if I act as if I don't care she will do the same and I don't get anywhere! She will just do her thing and I'm left wondering what I can do to make her get the point that I don't care."

Here is what you have to do.

When she wants you to chase her (aka, she doesn't pay you attention, runs around with others, doesn't answer calls), YOU be the life of the party. Be as if life is going grand. Laugh, go out with others, and enjoy life.
Again, women are very social, so from her point of view it would be stupid not to pay attention to the life of the party (you).


Never, ever get upset by women. No matter what they do. This to them is a game.
I've developed the mindset that if I'm with a girl, I can expect the unexpected from her. I expect her to start running around with someone else the day after. I expect her to not show up. I expect the worst scenario and I'm ready to deal with it.
Never be fazed by what they do.

The bounce-back is very important. They start chasing you when they see that you don't give a crap about their behavior. When their behavior isn't on it's best, then you do not want to go chasing them. Ignore them. They'll get the point that what they pull isn't gonna fly with you.
 
soul_warrior said:
ok.
i will sit on the naughty stool for 30 minutes :mischief:
maybe nanna will :spank: me?

what i meant was the minor usual stuff, like: flowers (4th date or later), buy her a beer or a drink, but do not pay the entire tab.


Actually, you can be funny and if you are in a place ask her to buy you a drink.

The thing here is to not take this stuff too seriously. Be as far-out as possible. That's fun and they enjoy it. ;)
 
Civrules said:
Never, ever get upset by women. No matter what they do. This to them is a game.
And remember to develop instincts to know when the girl is being true to you and isn't just playing you. When she means business she might mean real business and be very afraid of losing you.

Also it's fine to try to notice which girls are just interested more about the game itself than the result. You can have fun with the former ones or throw them away but it's only latter ones that are interested about the result that you can expect to be able to live with "happily ever after". This is especially true with younger women.

Eventually it's the point when the woman has started chasing you more than you do her. That is the time when it has become serious.
 
GeneralZed said:
How you get to know if a girl likes you, as in: go out for some drink every week, sometimes cinema, to her house, but she keeps talking about her ex and is always ready to have a new boyfriend, but you have the feeling that youd be the last guy whod be with her?


Oooh... What is she saying about her boyfriend? If she is talking good things (how much she misses him), you are out of luck, and you might be in the dreaded friend-zone.
You enter the friend zone when you act interested but fail to trigger attraction in her for you.
I'd tell you to move on from her. She considers you as a friend and it would be weird for her to start dating you.

From the beginning when you meet a girl, do not make it obvious that you are attracted to her, but be CLEAR about where you stand. What do I mean? If you want her, develop the mindset that you are the catch. Playfully tease her and shift your attention from her.
Don't go chasing her even before she has started running. Bad combination.
 
Lotus49 said:
Beat them at their own game - that's all I'm saying. Not that hard, if you really focus. Otherwise, you'd better believe they're going to play YOU.

Righto! :)

azzaman333 said:
Is it a bad thing if you have a reputation for not talking much?

(some people are shocked when I start talking at school)

Being talkative is important. I guess it depends what you mean. I'm not saying all chances of women being attracted to you are lost, but if you are not talkative, and yet are dominant in your body language, secure in your own skin, and confident, you shouldn't have a problem.

If you are not, I recommend you read the book by John Alexander "How to Become an Alpha Male."
It focuses on improving YOU so you display the characteristics of an attractive person. It does not focus on manipulating women, or other weird behavior.

But please, do not judge the book by its cover. It is clear that it focuses on sex A LOT especially on the cover. And it has some quotes which make people wonder if there is anything other than sex in the book. When I read it, it became much more clear where things stand.

If you are the quiet guy who is always willing to help girls out with a smile on your face and not expecting anything in return (I'm not talking about dates, or even kisses - just the simple things), then to the girl you are the "nice guy." Before anyone jumps at me saying there is nothing wrong with being nice, I'll define "nice guys" by the way women see them:
Socially unaware when it comes to girls.

Girls don't like logical responses from guys when it comes to simple things. They like a challenge. This is not a challenge:
Girl: May I borrow a pencil?
You: Oh sure! Right away! (*shuffles through backpack looking for a pencil faster than a squirrel*)

This is a challenge and shows the girl not only that you can be fun, but that you get it:
Girl (from across the room): May I borrow some paper?
You: *Crumples up a piece and passes it to her via airmail.*
Girl: *Surprised and slightly frustrated, wondering what the hell you are doing*
You: I was too lazy to get up and hand it to you. (sarcastic) OR "You asked for it..." (However when you say that don't look for a responce from her. Go on about your business of whatever you were doing. That signals that you are confident and couldn't care less what you thought she thought.)
Girl: Jerk! (giggles).

See, you kind of have to do far-out things like that, but you also have to handle yourself well after you have done it because you have to be ready for what she says. Do not get defensive and excuse why you did something.
Actually sometimes when I do that the girl gets seriously annoyed. You know what I do? I laugh at people who can't handle something like that because they can't have fun. Most people appreciate it though, because they like something out of the ordinary. But if they don't, I just laugh it off because I hate it when people take things too seriously when the need to take something seriously is not there. And frankly, why would I even be wasting my time with someone who can't handle an innocent joke?
 
Girl: May I borrow a pencil?

Normally my response is "Uh... sure, just give it back" while looking for the pencil. Either that, or "sorry, dont have one"

I assume these fall under the category of the first scenario.

Socially unaware when it comes to girls.

My case is more of "Has no idea how to act when there is more than established friends around." Recently I have been trying to figure out what has caused this, and have come to the conclusion that being teased for having a different accent at the age of 8 (I spent a year in USA) has caused me to keep from talking much.
 
azzaman333 said:
Normally my response is "Uh... sure, just give it back" while looking for the pencil. Either that, or "sorry, dont have one"

I assume these fall under the category of the first scenario.



My case is more of "Has no idea how to act when there is more than established friends around." Recently I have been trying to figure out what has caused this, and have come to the conclusion that being teased for having a different accent at the age of 8 (I spent a year in USA) has caused me to keep from talking much.

Being different is good (ex: your accent).
We often let others bring us down because of our differences. However this can be flipped on a dime so fast that these same differences become total advantages.
How would you have acted if everyone complimented you on the same accent? The thing is that we are just conditioned by the people outside of us and we put too much power in their hands when in fact we should be deciding what is right for ourselves.
Any disadvantage you have (I don't care what you think it is, physical, or whatever), can be turned into an advantage. The only true disadvantage is a negative personality. If you have the personality to deal with othe "problems" you can turn everything else to an advantage.
Read the book because it'll help a lot in terms of getting over things like that.

Mirc said:
Yeah, but unfortunately it's not enough... :(

Of course it isn't. ;) Some talkative people are actually annoying. Whereas some always have something funny to say and people appreciate that.

Being talkative isn't everything anyways, so don't put too much pressure on it. We all know people who aren't talkative yet have tons of people around them.
 
Civrules said:
Being different is good (ex: your accent).
We often let others bring us down because of our differences. However this can be flipped on a dime so fast that these same differences become total advantages.
How would you have acted if everyone complimented you on the same accent? The thing is that we are just conditioned by the people outside of us and we put too much power in their hands when in fact we should be deciding what is right for ourselves.
Any disadvantage you have (I don't care what you think it is, physical, or whatever), can be turned into an advantage. The only true disadvantage is a negative personality. If you have the personality to deal with othe "problems" you can turn everything else to an advantage.
Read the book because it'll help a lot in terms of getting over things like that.

How widely available is this book? I am interested as to how it could help my social life (which is currently at a rather low point).
 
Ok, I'll ask for advice:

Why, even though I am a good friend with most everyone I know, and though they seem to admire me and laugh at my jokes, and ask me and talk to me whenever they have problems, I can't go further with any girl? Why all the jerks who make absolutely stupid jokes, who care only for having sex, and, well, let's say "not so intelligent" make girls go crazy about them? I don't understand this: I am 15, believe me I'm very intelligent, I'm not bad looking (moderately tall, with blue eyes), I have the sense of humor, I make good jokes and laugh, I can talk about anything, but I didn't even kiss someone at all? (except for kissing on the cheek for good-bye) Why if I try to be "more than friends" the girl looks absolutely amazed and tells me I'm crazy, and never talks to me again (!) if I even try to hold her hand or put my arm around her neck? (which all the other guys can do this without any trouble).
 
azzaman333 said:
How widely available is this book? I am interested as to how it could help my social life (which is currently at a rather low point).

It's not very widely available actually. I ordered from Amazon.com so you can look for it there and read the reviews for it.
It is pretty expensive also, so look at the used and new options. I got a new one for $20 less.

But it's worth it. I'm actually ashamed to say that before I got it I bashed it because I thought it was a fraud because a) it wasn't widely available and b) it was way too expensive and I thought they were only looking to get your money.
The thing to remember is that the guy writing it is actually pretty bright when it comes to psychology and how the differences between the sexes are, and how to improve yourself.
 
Civrules said:
Whoa, even on this mainly gaming/politics/religion/forum, lots of people are having problems with girls.

If you aren't one (mainly members who are over 60 years of age or absolutely uninterested in girls). Go away from this thread. ;) You are lucky, because problems like this need to be solved because sometimes they get way out of hand for no reason.

As an older Civer (33), let me be the first to point out that girl problems never go away. No matter how comfortable you get or how astute you become in dealing with women, they will always try your patience, because they are unpredictable. As cliché as it sounds, women are a seething cauldron of emotion, ready to erupt at a moment's notice, and their moods are rapidly shifting.
 
Accents help. Gods do they help. Girls love anything outside thier country. Or state. Hell, when we got a student from the south, the pretty girls went crazy for him. Of course, him being a (quote, unquote) "big blonde hunk" probably also helped him. But I also think they found his southen accent sexy.

Pfft. I still have to deal with this guy for moving into my territory. The accent is my shtick. Even if it's more british than anything.

It also helps to be a loveable goof. It works for me. But you have to be loveable, endearing, and totally unreplaceable. I work my accent into it. Most people see me as a boy who was born in England, and then moved to the US. This is of course untrue, but it sticks in people's minds. Now picture a british teen attempting to conform and get used to America. It's sitcom gold, and it puts me in an position to have girls totally not hate me.

Use your unattractive features to your advantage. For instance, I am terrible at sports and other physical activites. I'm also a tad out of shape. Now it was always a guaranteed thing last year doing Gym that I would always lose. Now try being a loveable goof, and they will find you so uttertly endearing, and cute.

Now, don't be stupid. When I say goof, I don't mean be an idiot. I mean act funny in normal situations. For me, it's just natural because I'm an insecure, different, nominally intelligent (in most things), teenager with a british accent. And people just seem to find that funny.

Yeah. That's all I can summarize of how this stuff works for me. Or at least it's how I see it.
 
Gilder said:
Now, don't be stupid. When I say goof, I don't mean be an idiot. I mean act funny in normal situations. For me, it's just natural because I'm an insecure, different, nominally intelligent (in most things), teenager with a british accent. And people just seem to find that funny.

You're American and you have an English accent?
 
Mirc said:
Ok, I'll ask for advice:

Why, even though I am a good friend with most everyone I know, and though they seem to admire me and laugh at my jokes, and ask me and talk to me whenever they have problems, I can't go further with any girl? Why all the jerks who make absolutely stupid jokes, who care only for having sex, and, well, let's say "not so intelligent" make girls go crazy about them? I don't understand this: I am 15, believe me I'm very intelligent, I'm not bad looking (moderately tall, with blue eyes), I have the sense of humor, I make good jokes and laugh, I can talk about anything, but I didn't even kiss someone at all? (except for kissing on the cheek for good-bye) Why if I try to be "more than friends" the girl looks absolutely amazed and tells me I'm crazy, and never talks to me again (!) if I even try to hold her hand or put my arm around her neck? (which all the other guys can do this without any trouble).
Ok good question. Actually a very good question because I've got the perfect answer for you. I've the answer and I'll try to break it down as much as possible so it makes perfect logical sense. Countless of people are confused about this and it's pretty frustrating. Actually it's amazing how many people don't understand what they are doing wrong. Once you get this little part, you would be set.

I used to be in the same place you were. I loved who I was and I loved the fact that I had a lot of friends but I was still VERY confused as to why I wasn't getting anywhere. Exactly the same postion as you.

Hmm, there's so much info I have to go through it's hard to pick where to start... This information is from a dude called Mystery who is an expert.
Ok, there are three steps to getting a girl. The order cannot be re-arranged at all. I'll give you examples what happens when you switch this order. First, the correct order is this:
1. You must attract the girl
2. The next step: You must build comfort with the girl
3. The final step: Seduce the girl.

How do you attract a girl? Remember what I said earlier. Guys are automatically attracted to "hot" girls. We are turned on by their faces/bodies/physique. It is automatic.
These are automatic switches for us. Girls also have these. As David DeAngelo has said, "Attraction isn't a choice." What this means is that you can be the ugliest/shortest guy in the world, but by triggering attraction, a woman will fall for you. Why? Because women are strongly attracted to a character that makes her feel that.
Now, how do you make a woman feel attracted to you? It is impossible or hard as hell to get a girl if she doesn't feel attracted to you. Looks, in this case, don't close the deal (remember what I said about the different things guys and girls are attracted to in the opposite sex). So you must do something different:
Girls are attracted to leaders. You display leadership by not kissing @$$. This begins to turn the attraction switches on.
Second, make women qualify themselves to you. Make fun of them in a way that makes them insecure and self-conscious, but does not lower their self-esteem. If you lower their self-esteem, they run because they don't want to be with people who make them feel bad. Thus, in order to make them feel good, be funny while you play around with them.
When she notices that you are finding faults in her, she'll try to prove you wrong. Voilla! More attraction switches are being flipped by this.
At that point, it is time for you to indicate subtly that you are not interested in her. An example, if you are talking to her, say that you have to go. Go with another group of people and talk to them. She wonders what is up with that, and she starts chasing you in an attempt to figure out what is wrong.

The difference between the jerk and you is this:
You do not start with making the girl feel attracted to you. The jerk did.
You focused on step three: You tried to seduce her. This is starting at the back and that is why you failed. Guys who try to seduce girls first are known as "nice guys" because they throw compliments at the girl in an attempt to make her like him. That doesn't work. You tried holding hands with her or put your arm around her. That doesn't work because you have not established comfort yet (step 2).
Honestly, put yourself in an attractive girl's shoes. Seriously.
It can honestly be a curse if a girl is attractive because she is showered with attention from guys that don't get it. She gets bored (read my first post in this thread). She may even get angry because it gets so boring and tedious to deal with these guys who don't get it!
On the other hand if you start with comfort first, it doesn’t work either because it says that you are already interested in her. Why should she care if she isn’t interested in you in the first place? So I hope now you see why it is important to do it in the 1, 2, 3 order.



Know that this advice is pretty valuable and 99+% of the men in the world don't know what the hell is going on. This isn't a joke. They go crazy because they are uneducated and don't know what to do. Some commit suicide. (I'm not trying to make humor at all, it's just a fact. It's hard to be stuck at a place where you are not happy when you have no idea what you can do to get better.)
 
chrisrossi said:
You're American and you have an English accent?

I chalk it up to all the years the school system shoved me into a speech class. When I was in the first grade I had trouble saying words like "yellow." It gets fixed quickler in speech classes, and they soon find problems with the way I pronounce my "r"s. So they kept me in the damn thing until the eighth grade even if my problems were gone. By then the accent had pretty much taken over, and even people I grew up with were questioning if I was from England.

While I certainly like it, I'm never going to forgive the school for shoving me in that damn class for eight years for no reason.
 
Another majestic essay by Civrules there. :lol: Very good though.

Another question from me:

Are there any tell-tale signs that a boy should look out for in a girl to start holding her hand, kiss her etc etc, without having previously been "boyfriend and girlfriend"?

For instance, the boy is walking along with the girl he really likes; he genuinely feels that she really likes him too, and would like to hold hands.

Should the boy hold her hand at that point?
 
Trajan12 said:
@ Civrules. I got this book by David DeAngelo, its really made some good points. A lot of what you say is right in the book as well.

That book is great. The Venusian Arts is another nice little book too. ;)
 
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