Glenn Beck Says All Hispanics Should Go Back Where They Came From!

[Quackers]

You have favourite white houses reporters?

 

[JollyRoger]

You think about Helen Thomas in terms more intimate than being a White House reporter?

 

[civ_king]

She understands the White House quite well, she isn't necessarily qualified on anything else though

 

[Birdjaguar]

You have favourite white houses reporters?

Mine is Peter Nichols, but he is married to my niece.

 

[Quackers]

You think about Helen Thomas in terms more intimate than being a White House reporter?

actually i had no idea who she was. than i realised i saw her before:

 

[Tani Coyote]

A quick look on wiki says she's issued a statement of apology for it...

Typical copout by people of influence. The damage is already done; if you didn't want so much controversy, maybe you shouldn't have said the controversial statement...

At the very least, don't apologise. Clarify what you really mean- well, no, it's kind of hard to misinterpret, "All Jews should leave Israel."

No it wouldn't. Iran, Syria, Egypt and all the other countries in the Middle east would still try to end the existence of Israel.

Conclusion: Middle Eastern states are sore losers about the fact Britain crushed the Turks and later gave only 80% of the land to the Arabs. They want the whole pie.

Well, in the immortal words of Leonidas: "Molon labe." Come and take them.

If the Arabs - oh, I'm sorry, Palestinians - and friends can demonstrate the capability to: a) take the land, b) keep the land, and c) improve the land, then maybe they will deserve to have it exclusively. Until then, tough cookies.

Obama agrees with her:

...Oh god. I just realised that's the woman from Colbert's special report at the White House dinner!

 

[Ergo Sum]

f the Arabs - oh, I'm sorry, Palestinians - and friends can demonstrate the capability to: a) take the land, b) keep the land, and c) improve the land, then maybe they will deserve to have it exclusively. Until then, tough cookies.

How are the Palestinians going to improve their land if they can't even import enough building materials into the Gaza Strip to make a mud hut?

But beyond that, your criteria for what makes a legitimate nation-state is objectively ridiculous. It's basically a restatement of "might makes right" as opposed to slightly more logical criteria like self-determination.

 

[Tani Coyote]

How are the Palestinians going to improve their land if they can't even import enough building materials into the Gaza Strip to make a mud hut?

I support Palestine getting peaceful materials. But if they don't ensure that no violent materials are on board the transports, it's their fault when it goes up in flames; Israel's right to exist trumps their right to develop. You know, negative liberty; you are free to do what you want so long as it doesn't interfere with others' rights.

Point being, the Palestinians need to reject violence across the board, and reject all violent shipments. Until then, I cannot pity them nor call Israel "OMFG EVUL IMPERIALIST JEWS!!"

But beyond that, your criteria for what makes a legitimate nation-state is objectively ridiculous.

Just as we should base land taxes on how you use the land, we should base ownership on it as well; Israel makes use of their land, therefore it is theirs.

Furthermore, it's in the past. It doesn't matter who triggered the conflict; it needs to end.

It's basically a restatement of "might makes right" as opposed to slightly more logical criteria like self-determination.

Self-determination is overrated. Iran's GROSSLY human rights violating government has no right to exist, regardless of how popular it is. Burn it to the ground. Same with Saudi Arabia and all other violators. Screw the death penalty "violating human rights"; things like Islamic fundamentalism take the cake.

I'm a moral universalist, so "self-determination" never really worked for me. I believe all people have the same rights, and so any government that violates them - even if the people popularly support it - must be crushed.

Now, more or less controlling your own destiny - representative democracy - is another thing. I accept that for the most part, provided its a liberal democracy; illiberal democracies must be suffocated.

 

[Ergo Sum]

I support Palestine getting peaceful materials. But if they don't ensure that no violent materials are on board the transports, it's their fault when it goes up in flames; Israel's right to exist trumps their right to develop. You know, negative liberty; you are free to do what you want so long as it doesn't interfere with others' rights.

Point being, the Palestinians need to reject violence across the board, and reject all violent shipments. Until then, I cannot pity them nor call Israel "OMFG EVUL IMPERIALIST JEWS!!"

Please, border rockets are hardly threats to Israel's existence. The problem with the blockade is that, by ruining the Gazan's economy, the Israelis are actually contributing to the violent extremist cause. Without any chance of making a livelihood, emigrating, etc., and with the threat of a malevolent foreign government looming over, Palestinians will increasingly turn to violent measures to express their anger. Whether or not that's right, it's not completely unpredictable. Israel's not just complacent in the circle of conflict, they're actively spurring it on.

Also it's hard to absolve Israelis of the "imperialist" epithet when settlements amount to a small-scale form of it.

Self-determination is overrated. Iran's GROSSLY human rights violating government has no right to exist, regardless of how popular it is. Burn it to the ground. Same with Saudi Arabia and all other violators. Screw the death penalty "violating human rights"; things like Islamic fundamentalism take the cake.

I'm a moral universalist, so "self-determination" never really worked for me. I believe all people have the same rights, and so any government that violates them - even if the people popularly support it - must be crushed.

Now, more or less controlling your own destiny - representative democracy - is another thing. I accept that for the most part, provided its a liberal democracy; illiberal democracies must be suffocated.

You can't just go in and dissolve "illiberal" governments. The entire reason self-determination is such a factor is because governments just don't work if the people don't support it. Iran's regime, for instance, will likely fall apart before too long. Islamic fundamentalism has been a force in Middle Eastern politics for quite a while, but Iran's the only real example of a fundamentalist government. Turkey's government is somewhat Islamic, but otherwise still committed to an approximation of Western liberalism. I'm no expert, but the impression I got was that the ruling Turkish party is about as religious as the Republicans are.

 

[MobBoss]

Please, border rockets are hardly threats to Israel's existence.

If your neighbor did it to you would you put up with it? Would any other nation on the planet?

Nope.

A threat doesnt have to threaten your very existence to still be a viable threat.

 

[JollyRoger]

A threat doesnt have to threaten your very existence to still be a viable threat.

Such as armed commandos boarding your boat from helicopters?

 

[Formaldehyde]

A threat doesnt have to threaten your very existence to still be a viable threat.

The odds of being struck by lightning are far greater. Perhaps Israel should practice apartheid against storms next.

 

[MobBoss]

The odds of being struck by lightning are far greater. Perhaps Israel should practice apartheid against storms next.

Uhm....you may want to look that up for accuracy. The odds of being stuck by lightning are between 1:500,000 and 1:700,000. I think palistinian rockets and mortars have been a bit more effective than that.

The odds of being stuck by lightning are simply not 'far greater' and in fact, its much, much less. Do you care to admit your wrong on this?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Uhm....you may want to look that up for accuracy. The odds of being stuck by lightning are between 1:500,000 and 1:700,000. I think palistinian rockets and mortars have been a bit more effective than that.

Let's work that out based on these known facts:

http://www.weather.gov/om/lightning/medical.htm

According to Storm Data, a National Weather Service publication, over the last 30 years the U.S. has averaged 58 reported lightning fatalities per year. Due to under reporting, the figures are more realistically at least 70 deaths per year.Only about 10% of people who are struck by lightning are killed, leaving 90% with various degrees of disability.

U.S. 2000 Census population as of 2008 300,000,000

Number of Deaths Actually Reported 60 Number of Injuries Reported 340 400

Estimated number of actual U.S. Deaths 60 Estimated number of actual Injuries 540 600

Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (reported deaths + injuries) 1/750,000
Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (estimated total deaths + injuries) 1/500,000
Odds of being struck in your lifetime (Est. 80 years) 1/6250
Odds you will be affected by someone being struck (Ten people affected for every one struck) 1/625

That means there are appoximately 700 people struck by lightning each year in the US which result in injury or death.

Israel had a population of 7,515,400 in 2009 which means the population of the US is 39.9 times larger.

That translates into 17.5 people struck by lighning per year compared to 2.7 deaths per year by rocket and mortar.

The odds of being stuck by lightning are simply not 'far greater' and in fact, its much, much less. Do you care to admit your wrong on this?

Do you?

 

[cardgame]

ooh extrapolation. lovely.

How much do you want to bet that Israel does not experience the same weather as the US?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Totally misleading cartoons aside, how much do you want to bet it's not different enough to change the numbers sufficiently enough so my statement is no longer true?

 

[scherbchen]

only thing that sticks out so far is hehe, old people sure are old. look, that one is really old. you don't look young when you are old.

nail on the head, chaps who commented on that. nail on the head.

 

[Traitorfish]

Or we could convince the Palestinians to emigrate. That would help end the conflict too.

"To hell or to Connacht", eh?

 

[luiz]

What an ugly creature. She should go back to where she came from, which is probably the Ninth Circle of Hell.

 

[Arwon]

I've heard these sorts of views expressed both ways - all Jews belong in Israel, no Jews belong in Israel. I've heard it from different parts of the political spectrum. From both Jews and non-Jews.

The problem is people struggle to distinguish "Israeli" from "Jew", and suck at recognising internal heterogeneity within groups. Shrug. Apparently this includes the random person in the video, whoever that is.

The OP's persecution complex is almost charming in its over-sensitivity.