but the scientific community DOES agree - or are you blinded by the out-dated, and as I have shown, falsely interpreted, 'studies' posted here that 'prove' otherwise?killercane said:Ok. Why doesnt the scientific community agree that GW is proven and factual? Is it not still a "robust theory?" Shouldnt the historical climactic fits cause reasonable doubt if you assume GW as factual first?
hm, seems you missed a step here: the temp of the athmosphere is mostly comtrolled by how much infrared radiation FROM EARTH is kept in. This, in turn, depends on two things: how much (mostly visible) radiation from sun hits earth, warms it, and thus enables it to send out IR, and how much greenhouse-gasses is in the athmosphere to trap the IR.3: Do you agree that a change in the greenhouse effect must alter the planets energy balance?
Well maybe. I dont think there's enough factual data and "energy balance" is a vague term. Gothmog I think made the comment along the lines that "global warming" is an imprecise term with many definitions. Its easy to go off on tangents if we dont use specific terms. You mean the IR balance studies? I really dont think greenhouse gases will change the IR balance to a horrible and unlivable degree.
Thus: more greenhouse-gasses (GHG) -> hotter athmosphere (provided the higher concentration of GHG doesn't produce otehr effects that counter the warming.
So you not understanding it means it is wrong?4: Do you agree that a change in Earths energy balance will have an effect on our climate?
Again maybe. My personal belief is that the Earth is on an upwards cycle and human caused greenhouse gases contribute to the increases somewhat. I just have a hard time believing they are the sole cause and that all life will be extinct in 1000 years if we dont convert immediately to non fossil fuel sources.
Surely you are too smart to think that way.
if you check the evidence posted here you'll see that there is no casue for a natural warming trend. So the warming comes about how, if not by man?
Wrong - as the Ruddiman paper shows (despite the, by now three times rebuffed whinings of a certain poster), temp and insolation and methane concentration are strongly linked. Other factors play a role, too, but only a small one.My point is that GW proponents cannot apportion the deleterious human caused environmental effects effectively due to a lack of data.
Thus, from insolation, we should be quite able to predict what the climate should be like.
Compare 'should' to 'is' and see the effect of man's actions.
You're jumping the gun. Reread my post. I did not make the jump to discussing man and responsibility.
You may have, or not - doesn't matter, as long as we agree on this:
deal?'because there were cliamte changes before man, man isn't responsible for the present one' is dead wrong.