GOTM 118 Spoiler

[Ali Ardavan]

hut: Archer.
hut: 100g
hut: 50g.
hut: NOMADS!
hut: Code of Laws!
hut: Pottery.
hut: Nomads again! My hut luck is great!

That is an understatement; phenomenal and unbelievable come to mind.

-3220: I realize that my S's can "charge" en route, but can't see much advantage.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that they can pop huts? Or do you mean that they can accumulate charges towards future tasks. As far as I know the latter is not possible while riding in a boat.

-2800: Boat at 155,49 is "near Canton".

Wow! You got to the ocean surrounding grasslands that early! Amazing!

-2120: LH in Paris.

I wonder how you justified LH as your first wonder. Would Pyramids not be a better choice?

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Date Notes

-3980 Paris founded with access to whale. Settler started.
-3960 -> Ceremonial Burial.
-3880 Ceremonial Burial -> Code of Laws.
-3720 Code of Laws -> Mapmaking
-3480 Mapmaking -> Monarchy
-3460 First Trireme sets sail with 2 settler s on board.
-3440 First hut yields Archer.
-3380 Orleans founded. Horseman from hut.
-3340 Lyons founded by the second original settler.
-3300 Monarchy -> Bronze Working. Monarchy established. T3L0S7. Barbarian horseman from hut runs into darkness the next turn.
-3280 Nomad from hut.
-3200 Horseman from hut.
-3180 Bronze Working -> Masonry
-3160 Archer from hut.
-3140 Currency from hut.
-3100 Horseback riding from hut. Rheims founded.
-3080 Polytheism from hut.
-3020 Elephant from hut.

Status at -3000
Population: 0.06M; Cities: 4; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 8; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 9; Production: 15; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders:
Units: 2 settlers (1 None), 2 Archers, 2 Horsemen, 1 Elephant, 4 Trireme
Russian: No contact
Japanese: No contact
Spanish: No contact
Chinese: No contact
Greek: No contact
?: No contact

-2940 Tours founded. 25g from hut.
-2920 Masonry -> Trade.
-2880 Barbarian Legion from hut killed in attack on my archer.
-2820 Barbarian Legion from hut killed in attack on my elephant.
-2780 Horseman from hut.
-2780 Marseilles founded.
-2720 Charters founded.
-2700 Trade -> Writing. 50g from hut.
-2660 25g from hut.
-2640 8 barbarian horsemen from hut kill my archer the next turn.
-2580 Archer from hut.
-2560 Avignon founded.
-2540 Nomad from hut.
-2520 Besancon founded.
-2480 Writing -> Pottery. T7L0S3. Horseman from hut.
-2460 None Archer from hut.
-2400 Marco built. Mapmaking -> Indian (3) -> Pottery, peace, maps
-2380 -> Seafaring.
-2320 4 Barbarian legions from hut die in attack on my archer. 8 barbarian horsemen from hut kill my horseman.
-2300 Rouen founded. None horseman from hut.
-2260 Chariot from hut. Seafaring from hut. Mapmaking -> Russian (4) -> Mysticism, peace, maps.
-2240 -> Literacy.
-2220 50g from hut.
-2200 Pyramids built. 8 barbarian horsemen from hut kill my None horseman.
-2140 Warrior Code from hut.
-2120 First Harbor built. Grenoble founded. Construction from hut.
-2100 25g from hut. None elephant from hut.
-2060 Feudalism from hut. Legion from hut.
Trade, Monarchy, Mapmaking -> Chinese (2) -> peace, maps
Warrior Code, Mapmaking -> Greek (1) -> peace, maps
Mapmaking, Horseback riding -> Japanese (0) -> peace, maps
Mapmaking, Construction -> Spanish (3) -> peace, maps
-2020 100g from hut.
-2000 Literacy -> Philosophy. First settler lands on grass.

Status at -2000
Population: 0.24M; Cities: 11; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 12; Cost per turn: 3; Total advances: 19; Production: 30; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Marco
Units: 7 settlers (2 None), 3 Archers, 1 Legion, 1 Horsemen, 1 Chariot, 2 Elephant, 7 Trireme, 5 Caravan
Russian: 4 cities, 7 techs
Japanese: 3 cities, 6 techs
Spanish: 4 cities, 9 techs
Chinese: 4 cities, 13 techs
Greek: 6 cities, 5 techs
Indian: 6 cities, 16 techs

 

[Peaster]

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that they can pop huts? Or do you mean that they can accumulate charges towards future tasks. As far as I know the latter is not possible while riding in a boat.

Glad to see you are playing this one. I am still plugging away, but have almost forgotten the early phase by now!

At some points in the maze, a boat must pass by the same mt. square twice (eg once on the south and then once on the north). So a settler can exit the boat, charge a turn or two, and get back on the boat again later. Also, when passing thru a canal city, the settler can charge without slowing down the boat. But IIRC I didn't actually use this idea in this gotm. My settlers made cities asap upon finding grass.

Wow! You got to the ocean surrounding grasslands that early! Amazing!

I wonder how you justified LH as your first wonder. Would Pyramids not be a better choice?

Getting to the grasslands asap was my main early goal, in order to begin ICS growth. This has worked out well for me in similar gotms, but I'm not sure about the best plan here.

I don't remember my exact reasoning about WoWs, but roughly ... LH was necessary to get from one isle to another circa 2000BC [for EC and/or trade before Nav]. Also, I had some interest in the huts on the Eastern Ice.

The Pyr's pay off best in a large civ, which I didn't have at that time. Also, I probably wasn't as worried about an AI getting that (with LH I can hope to steal Pyr, but not v.v.). My notes are unclear about when I built Pyr's, but I'm guessing approx 1600BC, not too long after LH. At 400BC, I have 8 WoWs, but still haven't built Marco ! It's usually a fave, but dips seemed cheaper this time. Good luck!

 

[Ali Ardavan]

At some points in the maze, a boat must pass by the same mt. square twice (eg once on the south and then once on the north). So a settler can exit the boat, charge a turn or two, and get back on the boat again later. Also, when passing thru a canal city, the settler can charge without slowing down the boat.

Thanks for the explanation. The first method is only useful if it takes the boat more than two turns to get around the corner which is sometimes not the case so it is not very useful. The second method does not work with cities built on mountains and hills because once the settler gets in there is absolutely nothing for it to do.

At 400BC, I have 8 WoWs, but still haven't built Marco ! It's usually a fave, but dips seemed cheaper this time. Good luck!

I agree. I was doubtful about its value too and debated whether to delay it but I figured that one of the 7 grass tiles must be free of rivals and I wanted to know which before getting there.

 

[Peaster]

Thanks for the explanation. The first method is only useful if it takes the boat more than two turns to get around the corner which is sometimes not the case so it is not very useful. The second method does not work with cities built on mountains and hills because once the settler gets in there is absolutely nothing for it to do.

You are correct about the 2nd method; I must have been confusing this gotm with an older one. I also agree about "not very useful", though I guess a determined player might get a few cheap irrigations from the idea. I might quibble with your "more than two turns" comment though. The trick works whenever the boat is adjacent to a mt square "X" at the end of 2 different turns. I guess that happens several times on the way from Paris to grass, approximately enough to charge up one irrigation. But I didn't actually do it, and haven't checked it - could be wrong.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Having landed on grass in -2000 I was hoping to finish before -1000 but did not. I played to -1000 last night. Spanish and Chinese are gone. I have just started battling Japanese and Greeks on their homeland. Japanese ended up being my foreign delivery target. The lucrative trade routes to Paris and Orleans as well as the techs I gave them to get them to update their maps allowed them to discover gunpowder on their own. So far I have had very few casualties; I expect a lot on the Japanese island.

 

[haleewud]

Here is some more info regarding my game. I started a log a number of posts ago, but it takes me too long to go into that much detail so here are the highlights. I have finished the game. This recap will go to 980BC. I will save the final result until it is closer to the deadline.

In 2500BC I built MPE and contacted all the AIs. I was supreme. I had 14 advances, 127 gold and 6 cities (Paris was size 6, Rheims was size 2, the other four were size 1), total population 280k. I had 2 settlers, 1 archer, 3 triremes, 1 diplomat and 3 vans.

Russians had 9 advances, 4 cities, 226g and 10 units (2nd place)
Japanese had 2 advances, 2 cities, 162g and 7 units (7th place)
Spanish had 5 advances, 3 cities, 114g and 9 units (6th place)
Chinese had 7 advances, 3 cities, 19g and 9 units (3rd place)
Greeks had 4 advances, 4 cities, 132g and 10 units (4th place)
Indians had 4 advances, 3 cities, 140g and 8 units (5th place)
I trades 2 advances with the Russians (MM for Myst and Rep for Wheel). I gave 4 advances to the Japanese, 4 to the Spanish, 3 to the Chinese, 3 to the Greeks and 2 to the Mongols. Made peace with everyone and got all the maps.

My advances from that point went like this:
2420 Seafaring
2260 Philosophy with Monotheism as free advance.
2060 Construction
1900 Engineering from Hut
1860 Invention from Hut
1700 Math
1560 Astromony
1560 Traded with the Chinese Philo for WC
1400 Navigation
1340 Trade with Russians Inv for Feud, Nav for IW and Construction for Monarchy
1200 Physics
1060 Banking

These were the Wonders that were built
2500 MPE
2320 HG
1340 Magellan
1260 Colossus (Russians)
1260 Sun Tzu
1080 GL (Chinese)
1040 Leo's

When I built my 'Mountain/Canal' cities, I started mining on each before building the cities.
2360 Chartres (3,63)
2100 Avignon (199,63)
2000 Besancon (195,63)
1940 Rouen (191,63)
1840 Grenoble (184,62)
1740 Dijon (176,62)
1680 Amiens (170,60)
1480 Cherbourg (166,56)

I reached the empty continent (16) and built Poitiers in 1280. The only other city I built there was Toulouse in 920.

I did very little exploring in the game. I picked up a few in the middle of the labyrinth, but did not really go out of my way to find them. I sent 1 explorer north (on the tundra closest to Paris). He started north in about 2000. He popped 5 huts, 1940 - 50g. 1900 - Engineering. 1860 - Invention, 1840 - 50g, 1800 - 8 barb horse. He survived the first attack and died to the second. I did not send any other explorers out.

I reached the Spanish continent (24) in 1300.
I stayed in republic until 1160 when I had a revolution and changed to monarchy when I attacked the Spanish (4 crusaders, 2 dips and 2 NON horse). They only had 3 cities. Spanish were destroyed in 1120.

The Spanish force landed on the Chinese continent in 1060. They had 5 cities. Chinese were destroyed in 980.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I have played to -780. Greeks are gone. Japanese are down to one city which I shall bribe in a couple of turns. Even though they did have gunpowder they did not make too many musketeers and thus I did not have many casualties. Indians and Russians are still intact.

 

[Peaster]

I finally decided to finish up [approx 300bc to 1ad period]. Noticed that switching to Demo near the end boosted my score quite a bit each turn, so I hit the spacebar a few times til my people got tired of it.

The last half of my log would be pretty boring, I think, as I was only playing for score, but I'll share stats if anyone wants to compare.

 

[Jokemaster]

When everyone will have finished, please post that you're done with your game so I can post the last part of my log. (btw, no rush needed)

The last part of my log gives out information that's too sensitive. That info could be used efficiently to determine my probable GOTM score and would be too spoiler for those not done yet with their game. But like I said, no rush.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I finished Russians off earlier this morning. Indians have a single city left which I can bribe this turn but I am going to wait till next turn because I have enough delivery money to rush a wonder. I will be done before -500.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

(Since Magic, and perhaps others, finished in fewer turns than I did I do not see any harm in revealing my end date.)

After discovery of Democracy in -900 I switched to it from Monarchy to improve my trade bonuses and grow. I did not let it slow my conquest though. I overthrew the government whenever needed. Of course building Statue of Liberty (in -780) was a great help allowing me to switch back to Democracy the next turn.

In retrospect I built a bigger army than needed for a warlord level game even though I was fighting on two fronts simultaneously. I should have instead built more modern ships for more quickly shipping my army to the next island.

I planned not to and did not build Leo. It was a decision I did not regret. My vet Crusaders and Knights were more than enough. Its only use would have been upgrading my triremes to caravels. That would have been useful but I had more pressing needs.

-1980 Dezful founded on grass. Legion, 50g, Republic, and Philosophy from hut.
-1960 -> Monotheism -> Chivalry.
-1940 Construction, Philosophy, Republic -> Russian (1) -> Wheel.
Construction -> Japanese (0) -> Iron Working.
Math and Bridge Building from hut.
-1920 Colossus built in Paris. Engineering from hut. Shush founded.
-1880 Shushtar founded. 50g from hut.
-1840 Medicine and Theology from hut.
-1800 50g, 25g, 4 barbarian legions from huts.
-1780 3 barbarian legions die in attack on my archer, one runs away. Sanitation from hut.
-1760 Crusader from hut.
-1740 Astronomy from hut. Advanced tribe founds Pasargad on grass land. Spain chosen as my first victim due to its location. Spanish map updated. If all goes well, I will go after Japanese and Russians next. All 3 of them I can reach with Triremes. For the other 3 I need caravels.
-1720 50g from hut. 7 barbarian horsemen from hut kill my chariot.
-1680 Ahvaz founded. Nomad from hut.
-1640 Navigation from hut.
-1620 Invention from hut.
-1600 5 barbarian horsemen from hut. Some die in attack on my legion, others run away.
-1580 50g from hut.
-1560 Paris builds first temple. Abadan founded.
-1540 8 barbarian horsemen from hut kill my explorer.
-1520 100g from hut.

Status at -1500
Population: 1.13M; Cities: 17; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 180; Cost per turn: 10; Total advances: 33; Production: 59; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Marco, Colossus
Units: 5 settlers (3 None), 3 Archers, 2 Legion, 1 Pikemen, 1 Horsemen, 2 Elephant, 1 Crusader, 10 Trireme, 2 Diplomats, 5 Caravan, 1 explorer
Russian: 5 cities, 11 techs
Japanese: 5 cities, 12 techs
Spanish: 5 cities, 10 techs; war with Greeks
Chinese: 4 cities, 14 techs
Greek: 8 cities, 8 techs; war with Spanish
Indian: 6 cities, 17 techs

-1480 Sun Tzu built.
-1460 Beads from Paris to Japan establishes the first route for 360.
-1440 50 from hut.
-1420 25g from hut.
-1400 Paris builds first Marketplace.
-1380 50g from hut.
-1360 Chivalry -> Banking. 50g from hut. Beads from Orleans to Japan establishes the second route for 160.
-1340 100g from hut.
-1300 100g from hut.
-1280 50g from hut. Legion from hut. Crusader kills Spanish legion defending Toledo and turns vet. Lost a horseman to Spanish. Toledo razed for 35g.
-1240 25g from hut. Accepted 200g from Spanish for cease fire then broke it and attacked Madrid with 3 vet crusaders razing it for 19g. Spanish Seville bribed for 122g.
-1220 Japanese develop Gunpowder! 50g from hut. Last 2 Spanish cities razed for 28g and 22g. Spanish civilization destroyed.
-1180 100g from hut. Canton captured for 17g.
-1160 Beijing captured for 19g. Copper from Paris to Japan for 504. Navigation -> Japanese -> Gunpowder, maps. 2x50g from hut. 2x8 barbarian horsemen from hut. None musketeer from hut.
-1140 One of my legions killed by barbarians, the other barely survives. Banking -> Democracy. Shanghai captured for 32g. First domestic route established for 142. 25g from hut.
-1120 Chinese Xinjan razed. Chinese Nanking bribed for 110g. 100g from hut.
-1100 25g from hut.
-1080 Chinese Tsingtao razed for 12g. Chinese civilization destroyed. Domestic delivery for 95. 50g from hut.
-1060 8 barbarian horsemen from hut kill my explorer. Domestic deliveries for 87, 63. None musketeer from hut.
-1040 50g from hut.
-1020 Michelangelo and Magellan built. 100g+50g from huts. Japanese Kagoshima bribed for 308g. Got 93g, 2 soldiers, and a settler.
-1000 Killed a Japanese unit and 3 defenders of Athens. 50g from hut.

Status at -1000
Population: 3.13M; Cities: 23; Trade routes: 8D3F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 191; Cost per turn: 18; Total advances: 36; Production: 98; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Marco, Colossus, Sun Tzu, Michelangelo, Magellan
Units: 8 settlers (3 None), 1 Warrior, 1 Phalanx, 4 Archers, 2 Legion, 1 Pikemen, 2 Musketeers, 1 Horsemen, 2 Elephant, 7 Crusader, 4 Knights, 10 Trireme, 3 Caravel, 3 Diplomats, 22 Caravan, 1 explorer
Russian: 5 cities, 13 techs
Japanese: 4 cities, 15 techs; war with me
Spanish: Destroyed by me
Chinese: Destroyed by me
Greek: 8 cities, 14 techs; war with me
Indian: 8 cities, 21 techs

-0980 Khorramshahr founded. Athens razed. Thermopylae captured.
-0960 Indians build Great Library. Andimeshk founded. Delphi and Argos bribed for 158, 76. Nomad from hut on ice continent. Osaka captured after losing 2 units on its defending musketeer. Domestic delivery for 42.
-0940 Domestic delivery for 107. NewMadrid founded. Demands for tribute result in all out war. T6L4S0
-0920 Four cities celebrate. Greek Pharsalos razed, Sparta captured, and Corinth bribed for 201g. 2 barbarian horsemen from polar hut. 8 barbarian horsemen from hut.
-0900 Barbarians kill my explorer ; the polar ones run away. Democracy -> Leadership. Instant revolution. None musketeer from hut. Domestic deliveries for 94. Democracy established. T5L4S1
-0880 A mere 5 cities celebrate. Silk to Indians for 462. Greek Knossos captured for 127g. Greek civilization destroyed. T3L6S1 to keep a single city from toppling the government.
-0860 Hanging Gardens built in Paris. NewXinjian founded. Crusader from hut. Japanese Edo bribed for 552. T5L4S1
-0840 Silk to Chinese for 462. 8 barbarian horsemen from hut. Nomad from hut.
-0820 Musketeer survives barbarians. Leadership -> Physics. 50g from hut. NewToledo founded. Domestic deliveries for 360, 297, 86. T4L4S2
-0800 Physics -> Magnetism. Bach built. Government overthrown. Losing a Knight, the two defenders of Kyoto are killed and the city taken for 116g.
-0780 Statue of Liberty built. NewTsingtao, Taipei, and Tokyo founded. 50g, None Dragoon, Nomad from hut. Domestic delivery for 294. Democracy reestablished.
-0760 50g from hut.
-0740 Satsuma bribed for 195. Japanese civilization destroyed. Somehow this caused Indians to get Gunpowder from the Great Library. Wine from Paris to Shush for 598. T5L4S1
-0720 Magnetism -> Steam Engine. Indian Kolhapur captured for 18g. Domestic delivery for 392.
-0700 100g, 50g from hut. Revolution started. 3 defenders (1 phalanx and 2 warriors) of Delhi easily killed by two vet crusaders and the city captured for 28g. Indian Karachi captured, Bangalore bribed for 408. Got Great Library.
-0680 Indian elephant backs down when I offer them cease fire. Russians take defenseless Andimeshk and take Gunpowder. Andimeshk bought back for 93g. Tibet founded. Cacutta razed. Bombay and Madras captured. 2x50g from hut. Democracy reestablished. Salt from Paris to Kyoto for 546.
-0660 Steam Engine -> University. Domestic deliveries for 116, 423, 370.
-0640 University -> Chemistry. Nomad from hut. Smolensk subverted for 2x342. Bengal founded by None settler.
-0620 Hyderabad founded. Kiev captured with one casualty. St. Pete captured. This guys got Gunpowder 5 turns ago and their second city was defended with a single Phalanx. Nomad from hut.
-0600 Domestic deliveries for 672. Turkestaan and Ionia founded. Dijon founded on mountain with None settler. Indian settler bought for 196g. Nomad from hut.
-0580 Moscow builds King Richard's. Chemistry -> Metallurgy. Domestic deliveries for 180, 195. Lisbon and NewAthens founded.
-0560 Gold to Lahore for 745. Domestic deliveries for 420, 560, 150. Nagasaki and Macedonia founded. Nomad from hut. Moscow, defended by a single Phalanx, captured for King Richard's. Minsk captured. Russian civilization destroyed. Could end this turn but will wait one more turn for score. T3L7S0
-0540 Metallurgy -> Explosives. Lighthouse and Shakespeare built. 25g, Musketeer from hut. Domestic deliveries for 37, 144, 20, 81, 5, 9. EndGame1, 2 founded. T0L10S0. Lahore subverted for 2x300g. Indian civilization destroyed.

 

[Jokemaster]

Here is the last part of my log. I think it can be described with one word: overkill.

Date Notes

220 BC: Indian Legion near Bombay. Discover Electricity, start Conscription. Population exceeds 17 million citizens. T4L6S0. Hail Indians: Demand they withdraw troops: They do. Update maps. Tech cost 1197ish. Rainville copper (d) to Athènes: 260g. Ghent II copper (d) to Verona: 122g. Verdun copper (d) to Nankin: 112g. Ardennes gems (d) to Cherbourg: 96g. Hamburg beads (d) to Knossos: 240g. Hamburg silver (d) to Knossos: 300g. T3L6S1 for advance next turn. Rush from 10k to 5620.

200 BC: Leonardo’s upgrades all Musketeers to Riflemen as Conscription is discovered. Leadership is next. Population exceeds 22 million citizens. Hail Indians: Same as before. Tech cost 1221ish. Grenoble II copper (d) to Athènes: 292g. Poitiers II gold (d) to Verona: 260g. Bénouville copper (d) to Athènes: 544g. Besançon Gold (nd) to Paris: 52g. T4L6S0. Rush to 2739.

180 BC: Leonardo’s upgrades all Crusaders to Dragoons as Leadership is discovered. Steel is next. Population exceeds 28 million citizens. Tech cost 1296ish. Crete II silk (d) to Athènes: 438g. Milan II silk (d) to Athènes: 540g. Hail Indians: same as before. Bergen gems (d) to Knossos: 582g. Montreuil built. Roubaix built. Tourcoing built. Nanterre built. Rush from 4843 to 558. Guess I’ll have to deliver a bit more than expected in the future. Paris starts Shakes.

160 BC: Discover Steel, start Tactics. Population exceeds 35 million citizens. Hail Indians: Same as before. Créteil built. Tech cost 1320ish. Brest silk (d) to Athènes: 528g. Guadeloupe silk (d) to Athènes: 486g. Prague II silk (d) to Athènes: 336g. Courbevoie built. Pau built. Rush from 2351 to 13. Won’t be able to escape extra deliveries next turn. Dijon starts Sun Tzu.

140 BC: Greeks develop Steam Engine. Leonardo’s upgrades all Dragoons to Cavalry as Tactics is discovered. Electronics is next. Population exceeds 42 million citizens. Colombes built. Avignon Gold (d) to Beijing: 450g. Tech cost 1344ish. Rainville silk (d) to Athènes: 438g. Issos II coal (d) to Athènes: 395g. Cannae Beads (d) to Delphes: 160g. Antibes built. Saint-Pierre built. La Rochelle built. Calais built. Aubervilliers built. Cannes built. Hail Indians: Same as before. Béziers built. Rush from 2270 to 42. Not enough... Guadeloupe spice (d) to Delphes: 264g.

120 BC: Discover Electronics: start Machine Tools. Population exceeds 50 million citizens. Tech cost 1482. Bordeaux II silk (d) to Athènes: 582g. Venice II silk (d) to Athènes: 582g. Toronto II coal (d) to Athènes: 745g. Bourges built. Dunkerque built. Saint-Nazaire built. Colmar built. Rush from 3072 to 80. Verdun silk (d) to Athènes: 988g. A bit overkill... also capped. Rush to 313.

100 BC: Discover Machine Tools: start Refining. Cunaxa starts Hoover Dam. Stratsbourg starts the Great Wall. Cherbourg starts the Great Library. Population exceeds 58 million citizens. Tech cost 1509. Dijon II gold (d) to Cordoue: 414g. Bergen II copper (d) to Séville: 128g. Avignon coal (d) to Athènes: 935g. Toulouse II copper (d) to Shanghai: 288g. Drancy built. Ajaccio built. Quimper built. Amiens beads (nd) to Athènes: 404g. Issos copper (nd) to Athènes: 212g.

80 BC: Discover Refining: Miniaturization is next. One turn advances is good Verona starts the Oracle. Population exceeds 64 million citizens. Amiens II copper (d) to Delhi: 306g. Montreal coal (d) to Athènes: 960g. Coal is blocked, block on silver is gone! YES! Tech cost 1536ish. Issos silver (d) to Athènes: 530g. Troyes built. Antony built. Les Abymes built. Sarcelles built. Clichy built. Lorient built. Niort built. Prague II silver (d) to Athènes: 380g. Milan II silver (d) to Athènes: 535g. Marseille silver (d) to Athènes: 475g. Brest II silver (d) to Athènes: 510g.

60 BC: Discover Miniaturization: start Refrigeration. Population exceeds 72 million citizens. I am not accumulating any peace points even if I am at peace with every civilization in the world... what? (not like that’s actually going to matter... we’re playing a conquest only game) Tech cost 1620ish. Toronto gold (d) to Calcutta: 620g. Hail Greeks: Ask them to withdraw troops: get a ‘’we don’t have any troops in your territory’’ response. Update maps. Bordeaux Gems (d) to Tolède: 576g. Salzburg spice (d) to Cunaxa: 584g. Cayenne built. Pessac built. Vénissieux built. Saint-Quentin built. Chambéry built. Cergy built. Montauban built. Hyères built. Beauvais built. Ghent II silver (d) to Athènes: 385g. Cholet built.

40 BC: Discover Refrigeration: Combustion is next. Population exceeds 79 million citizens. Hail Greeks: Ask for withdraw of troops: They do. Tech cost 1647ish. Salamis copper (d) to Cherbourg: 332g. Lisbon copper (d) to Thermopyles: 444g. Crete II silver (d) to Athènes: 455g. Bayonne II silver (d) to Athènes: 530g. Build Bondy as the first city on the ice continent. Saint-André built. Vannes built. Maisons-Alfort built. Chelles built. Venice silver (d) to Athènes: 695g. Naples silver (d) to Athènes: 1098g. Getting a bit of a challenge to find the trucks that won’t move the silver demand around as I have a lot of them waiting to be delivered (88 trucks left... I plan to deliver all of them the turn prior to conquest in order to rush some last-minute wonders, courthouses and the like. 41 of them are still in the maze)

20 BC: Discover Combustion: start Fundamentailsm (other choices were Amphibious Warfare, which I want to keep as the joker tech, Commy, which is not needed yet and hurts Cathedrals, and Flight, which will kill my trade strategy) Population exceeds 87 million citizens. Tech cost 1674ish. Hail Greeks: Ask for withdraw of troops twice (I’m trying to goad them... does not seem to work. If the UN will not allow any sneaks in Demo, I’ll have to hold a revolution to wipe out the remaining opposition) Hail Indians: Ask for withdraw of troops: They do. Marseilles silver (d) to Athènes: 650g. Vimy silver (d) to Athènes: 875g. Silver blocked, silk unblocked in Athènes. Venice silk (d) to Athènes: 924g. Now peace points are counting. How odd. Arles built. Pantin built. Fréjus built. Évry built. Grasse built. Sartrouville built. Clamart built. Clamart II built. Narbonne built. Laval founded. BLACK HAT IN NANKIN.

1 AD: Discover Fundamentalism: Amphibious Warfare is next (only other choice Automobile, which will cause a lot of pollution I am not prepared for) Population exceeds 94 million citizens. Tech cost 1764. Crete silk (d) to Athènes: 1116g. Cherbourg II silk (d) to Athènes: 558g. Amiens II gold (d) to Ste-Mère-Église: 576g. Évreux built. Sevran built. Saint-Louis built. Rush Shakes in Paris for 1058g. Belfort built. Annecy built. Cagnes-sur-Mer built. Meaux built. Albi built. Brest II silk (d) to Athènes: 612g. Grenoble copper (d) to Pharsale: 492g. Suddenly the Greeks are Icy! Maybe I won’t need a revolution after all. Hopefully it will stay that way.

Status at 1AD:

Population: 94.68 mil Cities: 201 Trade routes: 20D56F Government: Democracy
Gold: 418 Cost per turn: 353 Total advances: 63 Production: 756MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Marco, Mikes, HG, Leo’s, Cope, Mag’s, LH, JSB, SoL, Isaac Newton’s, Eiffel, Darwin’s, Cure for Cancer, Adam Smith’s. Shakes next turn.
Units: 41 Engineers, 14 riflemen, 16 cavalry, 66 Transports, 80 freight, 1 Diplomat.
Russians: Destroyed by me
Japanese: Destroyed by me
Spanish: Destroyed by me
Chinese: Destroyed by me
Greeks: 5 cities, 38 techs. 15 units. Peace. Democracy. They have Colossus and KRC.
Indians: 1 city, 39 techs. 3 units, Republic, peace.

20 AD: FormerSmolensk starts the Oracle. Discover Amphibious Warfare: Communism is next (other choices Flight, which kills trade, and Automobile, which triggers pollution. I’ll simply fire my scientist in Versailles to prevent the cathedral downgrade until I can take it and rehire one somewhere else when I’ll need the UN) Paris builds Shakes. Population exceeds 102 million citizens. Tech cost 1792. Martinique silk (d) to Athènes: 726g. Dublin copper (d) to Nantes: 390g. Turin coal (d) to Beijing: 500g. Saint-Malo built. Vincennes built. Bobigny built. Carcassonne built. Delhi starts the Great Wall in lieu of Stratsbourg, that had to build a colosseum to keep WLTPD going. Melborne II silk (d) to Athènes: 630g. The decision is made to not wait for Communism and the UN. I don’t think the 20 points the UN gives are worth the cathedral downgrade (in terms of extra angry citizens) so science will stop there.

40 AD: Population exceeds 110 million citizens. Greeks still Icy. Hail Greeks: They demand gunpowder, refused, they profess threats. I ask for withdrawal of troops, they declare WAR!!! (time for Bleed’em White) Cavalry unit kills Greek settler near Knossos. Cavalry unit kills Greek Legion in a fortress near Sparte. Cavalry unit kills Greek settler near Delphes. Cavalry unit kills Greek catapult near Delphes. Subvert Madras for 236x2 gold. 108g plundered, get a size 3 city. Disband Archer and Pikemen for a Temple. INDIAN CIV DESTROYED BY FRENCH. Blois built. Sydney gold (nd) to Kiev: 235g. Versailles copper (d) to Kiev: 400g. Montrouge built. Martigues built. Aubagne built. Marseilles silk (d) to Athènes: 780g. Baton Rouge silk (d) to Athènes: 1014g.

60 AD: Greek Knight attacks my Cavalry in a fort and is defeated. Greek Frigate attacks Riflemen in Cholet and dies: riflemen is vet. Population exceeds 118 million. Cavalry kills Greek explorer near Cholet. Cavalry kills Greek Archer near Athènes. Châteauroux built. Saint-Brieuc built. Suresnes built. Saint-Ouen built. Alforeville built. Meudon built. Puteaux built. Tarbes built. Bastia built.

80 AD: Athènes had a solo cycle: no longer demands silver but demands copper. Also demands dye: silk demand is unchanged. Dang, wanted silver to stay. Decide, after comparing GOTM score charts of my past turns, to end this at 100 AD (next turn) Saint-Herblain built. Angoulême built. Bayonne copper (d) to Athènes: 848g. Patay copper (d) to Athènes: 444g. Alger silk (d) to Athènes: 690g. I will deliver every single van I have in Greece this turn to get enough cash to rush wonders, courthouses and other score-increasing stuff, as I plan to end this next turn and I need to deliver those vans right now if I want the gold to be put to good use. The Somme copper (d) to Athènes: 440g. Salamis II copper (d) to Athènes: 348g. Salzburg II Silk (d) to Athènes: 984g. I think I ran into the 32000b delivery limit... a little early to be there I think! Naples II silk (d) to Athènes: 1182g. Seems like the solo cycle change was reset, block on copper and coal (no longer demands dye) but silver is there and unblocked! Milan silver (d) to Athènes: 965g. Rush the Great Wall in Delhi for 1122g. Dublin silver (d) to Athènes: 915g. Baton Rouge silver (d) to Athènes: 845g. Rush Sun Tzu in Dijon for 1100g. Rush the GL in Cherbourg for 1088g. Ardennes silver (d) to Athènes: 375g. Salzburg II silver (d) to Athènes: 820g. Marne salt (nd) to Athènes: 174g. Ghent salt (nd) to Athènes: 588g. Rush the Hoover Dam in Cunaxa for 2364g. Saint-Étienne silver (d) in Athènes: 510g. Rainville Oil (nd) to Athènes: 162g. Montreal Gold (d) in Colombes: 344g. Cannae gold (nd) in Athènes: 216g. Bergen Gold (nd) in Athènes: 344g. Melborne II silver (d) in Athènes: 525g. Ghent gold (nd) in Athènes: 588g, unblocks silk! Poitiers II silk (d) in Athènes: 912g. Rouen II silver (d) in Athènes: 1015g. Block on silver is there, block on coal is gone... Avignon II coal (d) in Athènes: 1060g. Nevermind last block change it seems. Rush the Oracle in Verona for 1136g. Marne silk (d) in Athènes: 522g. Rush the Women’s Suffurage in Lyons II for 2076g. Stratsbourg II hides (d) to Delphes: 228g. Poitiers silver (d) in Athènes: 925g. Dorémy dye (d) to Knossos: 796g. Prague silk (d) to Athènes: 1230g. Hamburg II silk (d) to Athènes: 684g. Cremona II silk (d) to Athènes: 1200g. Silver and coal swap blocks. Bergen II coal (d) to Athènes: 540g. Montreal coal (d) to Athènes: 975g. Bergen II silk (d) to Athènes: 648g. Lisboa II silk (d) to Athènes: 402g. Salamis II silk (d) to Athènes: 522g. Versailles silk (d) to Athènes: 1146g. It feels weird delivering everything in 1 turn simply to fund last minute rushes, not used to do that. Sydney silk (d) to Athènes: 1350g. Biggest bonus so far. Grenoble II silk (d) to Athènes: 546g. Amiens II silk (d) to Athènes: 1056g. Bergen silk (d) to Athènes: 1032g. Rouen II silk (d) to Athènes: 1218g. Avignon II silk (d) to Athènes: 1272g. Bénouville silver (nd) to Athènes: 432g. Bénouville dye (nd) to Athènes: 432g. Dang, silver still blocked. Sydney copper (nd) to Athènes: 450g. Toronto copper (nd) to Athènes: 426g. Baton Rouge copper (nd) to Athènes: 338g. Naples II silver (d) to Knossos: 815g. Vimy gold (nd) to Athènes: 350g. Lisboa II copper (nd) to Athènes: 134g. Hamburg II copper (nd) to Athènes: 228g. Crete copper (nd) to Athènes: 372g. Marseilles copper (nd) to Athènes: 260g. Seems like I broke even again for Communism beaker-wise. Rush down to 20904: Looks like I could have delivered way less and still have had enough.

100 AD: A lot of cities build courthouses, colosseums and supermarkets in an attempt to rack a maximum of GOTM score before sending. Lyons II grants Women’s Suffrage. Verona builds the Oracle. Cunaxa builds the Hoover Dam. Cherbourg builds the Great Library. Dijon builds Sun Tzu. Delhi builds the Great Wall. Population exceeds 135 million citizens. Cavalry kills a Greek Archer in Sparte: mandatory vet (Sun Tzu) Cavalry kills a Greek Frigate in Knossos. Cavalry kills a Greek Archer in Corinthe. Cavalry kills a Greek Archer in Corinthe. Castres built. Cavalry kills a Greek Pikemen in Delphes. Cavalry kills a Greek Archer in Sparte. Cavalry kills a Greek Pikemen in Athènes. Cavalry kills a Greek Legion in Athènes. Cavalry kills a Greek Archer in Athènes. Athènes stormed for 137 gold: Colossus and now-useless KRC stormed. Sparte stormed for 93 gold. Corinthe stormed for 40 gold. Knossos stormed for 134 gold. Delphes stormed for 75g. GREEK CIVILIZATION DESTROYED BY FRENCH. Tours silver (d) to Thermopyles: 687g.

Final moves: Build Saint-Louis up to size 8. Build Beauvais to size 5 and Évreux to size 3. Build Béziers to size 6. Build Nanterre to size 7. Sète built. T0L10S0. Do some last-minute worker changes for the sake of final score.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Status at 1AD:

Population: 94.68 mil Cities: 201 Trade routes: 20D56F Government: Democracy
...
Russians: Destroyed by me
Japanese: Destroyed by me
Spanish: Destroyed by me
Chinese: Destroyed by me
Greeks: 5 cities, 38 techs. 15 units. Peace. Democracy. They have Colossus and KRC.
Indians: 1 city, 39 techs. 3 units, Republic, peace.

You had over 200 cities?! Unbelievable. Where did you put them? There simply was not enough room on grass for anywhere close to that. Did you terraform the ice with engineers?

 

[Jokemaster]

When I was PDSing the mountain cities to full size, I had decided to resume expansion in the mountains, but ICS style this time. PDS would last more than the 9 or so rounds that a mtn city would take to grow to full size, so why not add the odd 2 points there and there of a size 1 city with CfC and 0 surplus while I can, as the dis-growth would be recovered anyway?? This was done solely for final score, a bit before I had started to build courthouses and the like.

I also built a few cities on glacier. Note 4 on the Eastern Ice and 5 in the Jap/Russian ice. To add to that, I also built a fairly decent number of cities on Ivory/Gold/Iron in and near the maze during this last expansion rush. I think I could have done way more however: I had huuuuuge cash reserves at the end and room for 25 more size 1's.

I never terraformed anything. I considered irrigation in the grassy isles more urgent (but was only able to do so for 3/7 isles, and no farmland)

 

[mackerel]

It's late enough and irrelevant enough now that my final log will be amusing.

500 post-turn - Japan and Russia declare peace on each other. Various dips, marines, engineers. Tarantia copper van. Kush gold van. Zamora silver van. Nemedia spice van. Hyperborea food van. Aesgaard gold van. Fundy.

480 - Tsingtao bought for 171+67+musket+phalanx. Chinese civilization destroyed. Delhi destroyed+27g. Bombay bought for 312+103+archer. Marine dies in a foolish 1/3 attack on Smolensk. Haloga founded on ivory near Cimmeria, finally a city makes wine. Pohiola founded at the north pole. Rush 2 marines in Russia. Democracy. Kambuja silk Aesgaard 342. Darfar gems Aesgaard(n) 162. Khauran copper Aesgaard(n) 137. Russian warrior deserts for 89. Rush dip in Calcutta. Tax 8.0.2, 400g in tax is worth more than a one-turn celebration. Indians and Russians attack with little effect, Russian settler takes Sythia and gunpowder. I didn't think settlers could attack. Steam engine>Railroad.

460 - Khitai spice Hyperborea(n) 121. Vendhya gold Satsuma 672. Zembabwei copper Darfar 356. Aesgaard gold Makkalet(n) 189. Wan Tengri founded in striking range of Kyoto. Madras bought for 300+171+phalanx+Oracle. Bangalore bought for 198+77+archer. Lahore found, diplomat and marines encircle. Rush 4 marines in the maze, 2 dips near Japan. Revolution! (Oops, log got messed up and thought it was 480 still, didn't mean to go to anarchy again.) Rush to 2037g, saving some for purchases next turn. Ony a few dips built.

440 - Fundy. Russian settler relocated to hell, New Sythia founded and defended. Smolensk and StPete assaulted with insufficient force to capture. Lahore bought for 124+120+phalanx, Indian civilization destroyed. Kyoto captured+175+Great Wall. Bought Edo for 396+157+archer+barracks. Shem silver Osaka(n) 122. Satsuma bought for 372+140+barracks+legion. Osaka bought for 464+168+4 troops. Brythunia copper Kagoshima 204, Zemb silver Kago(n) 208, Kagoshima captured by amphibious assault+145g. Japan has under 1000g now, and the newly conquered cities are not in unrest so I'll rush dips there. Troops arrive in Russia next turn, so rushing dips there too. Democracy, Vanaheim silver Hyrkania 472, Xapur gold Hyrkania(n) 98, Turan gold Makkalet(n) 116, Zingara gold Makkalet(n) 124, Fundy. 1738g. Various dips, harbors, vans. Railroad cancels HG>Electricity.

420 - Nara revolts for 396+392+phalanx,barracks,market. Nagoya revolts for 156+109+legion. Izumo revolts for 144+84+legion+settler. Japanese civilization destroyed. Kiev revolts for 621+141+phalanx+musket+settler+granary. Smolensk revolts for 567+111+musket. Moscow located, it is size 3. Galparan, Yota Pong, Peshkhauri founded in India. Surplus caravans in Khemi+800g complete Darwin's Voyage. Tech cost 1872. One more revolution. Khemi completes Darwin, Electricity>Industrialization>Corporation. Leo's upgrades all galleons to transports, etc.

400 - Fundy. Moscow captured+103g. StPete bought for 198+Cope's+111+musket. Russian civilization destroyed. Democracy, tax rate 0.10.0. Military disbanded where necessary to increase happiness. Ayodhya, Yanyoga, Akhlat, Abombi founded. Argos silver Cimmeria 268. Various other piddling caravans.

Final score xxxx (xxxpop+xxxach-xxbarb, xxx wonders), xx%. 40 transports, 30 caravans, 21 riflemen upgraded from purchased units. Discoveries every 666 turns.

Moderator Action: Please don't mention your score in the spoiler thread. It's the only thing you should keep secret.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Russian settler takes Sythia and gunpowder. I didn't think settlers could attack.

They cannot attack but they can walk into a city and take it. So can explorers.

 

[Magic_gorter]

Note for all the new GOTM players. It's ok to describe your game as we did in this thread. But please do not mention your score....so there is still some excitement to wait for the results.
Thanks.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Agreed. Also do not reveal your exact end date unless it is clear you are not a contender for the Green star.

 

[Magic_gorter]

I promised some extra info from my saves.

Status at -3000
Population: 0.02M; Cities: 2; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Depotism
Gold: 31; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 7; Production: 6; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders:
Units: 3 settlers (1 None), 1 Horsemen, 1 Elephant, 2 Trireme

Left the labyrinth around 2400bc

Status at -2000
Population: 0.43M; Cities: 10; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 76; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 20; Production: 30; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Marco
Units: 1 warrior, 1 Legion, 1 Horsemen, 2 Elephant, 14 Trireme, 3 Caravan

Japan and Spanish are destroyed.

Status at -1520
Population: 0.83M; Cities: 23; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 372; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 22; Production: 60; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Marco, Lighthouse
Units: 1 settler, 1 warrior, 1 Legion, 8 Elephant, 18 Trireme, 1 Caravan

If got around 11 cities in the labyrinth to move faster through it...

Attacked Japanese first and the Spanish.
Then two groups attacked. First group conquered southern civs and the other the northern civs.