GOTM 163 Spoiler

[catalin72]

There is an entire thread dedicated to this subject. Look up "map analysis" as thread title. Everything is explained there.

Thanks much Ali,my mistake,you wrote about this thread when was that discussion with WW II map hidden resources,but ..I did not read carefully..Can show me a thread with this unknown for me tech hidding strategy,I don't find ? I know now,I wasted more years with this game for nothing),playing 'blind'...
A good day !

 

[Inkerman]

1950- Disc Poly -> Currency.
1900- Hut: Weeds.
1850- Land by English, they demand MM, we refuse, they declare war.
Hold off English warrior.
1800- Re-embark. Found Xinjian (17,27).
1750- Found Chengdu (27,35).
1700- Found Hangchow (11,15).
1650- Found Tientsin (30,18).
1600- Disc Currency -> Trade.
1550-
1500- Found Tatung (20,30).

Stats.
Cities:10, Pop:13, Gold:139, Techs:9. Monarchy.
2 settlers, 1 warrior, 2 phalanx, 2 horse, 2 trireme.

1450-
1400-
1350- Found Macao (10,36).
1300- Disc Trade -> Writing. Give Trade to Romans. They ignore threats.
They boast of Mysticism.
1250- Found Anyang (26,20).
1200-
1150-
1100- Romans deny tribute, we kill a warrior. Ele becomes vet.
1050- Hut:Barbs - fortunately on a 1-sq island.
1000- Hut:50g.

Stats.
Cities:12, Pop:22, Gold:192, Techs:10. Monarchy.
4 settlers, 1 warrior, 3 phalanx, 2 horse, 2 ele, 3 trireme, 2 vans.

 

[Inkerman]

975-
950-
925- Disc Writing -> Literacy. Hut: Literacy.
A tech that we want - very nice.
Start on Wheel.
900-
875- Found Shantung (6,18).
850- Found Chinan (13,37).
825- Found Kaifeng (25,31), Ningpo (25,23).
800- Tsingtao completes MPE.
Get Viking map for Literacy and Trade. They are in south on continent 14.
An Egyptian warrior is visible there too.
775- Start to get disorder.
English are (5), Romans are (4).
Ceasefire with Romans.
Give Literacy, Trade, Currency to get Egyptian map. Also on #14, which is quite big, and not far from some of our home continent cities.
Accidentally ended turn...
750- Hut: ele.

725- Beijing builds LH. Hut: ele.
English start Pyramids.
700-
675- Romans start HG.
650- Disc Wheel -> Mysticism.
Swap Monarchy to Egyptians for Mysticism.
625- Start on Philosophy. Hut(in Egypt):100g. Found Paoting (49,17) #9.
600- Romans and Vikings trade techs.
575- Find London. Hut: AT Yangchow (86,52) #14. Disband Trireme into Phalanx.
The AT is a bonus but doesn't make much difference as we have 2 settlers on hand.
English develop Wheel.
550- Barbs next to Kaifeng.
525- Romans change to GL. Vikings and Egyptians swap techs.
500- Found Yangtoo (88,54) #14.

Stats
Cities:19, Pop:45, Gold:209, Techs:14. Cost: 3 (all barracks). Monarchy.
MPE, LH.
5 settlers, 11 warrior, 5 phalanx, 2 horse, 11 ele, 7 trireme, 1 dip, 2 vans.
War with English (not worrying as they don't have MM yet, we know where 1/5 cities are.)
Ceasefire with Romans
Good relations with Egyptians and Vikings.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Can show me a thread with this unknown for me tech hidding strategy,I don't find ? I know now,I wasted more years with this game for nothing),playing 'blind'...

Try

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/...mes-Strategy-Guide?postid=1870568#post1870568

and

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/2512-oedo´s-unfinished?p=39636&viewfull=1#post39636

 

[catalin72]

Thanks again Ali.

 

[Major Advantage]

It seems I am way behind Ali's game so far, it is doubtful we will be able to catch up, but let's see, my game until 1000 AD:

-475 Masonry from hut
-325 Set sails with 2 vans heading for England, philo from hut
-300 Reasearch Construction
-275 Constr.->Math
-200 Trireme grabs barb leader in England, 100g
-175 First delivery for 206g
-150 Math->Medicine
-125 Sign alliance with Rome, ask for gift, get monarchy
-75 25g from hut
-50 delivery for 202
-25 Medicine->University

Stats at 1AD:
city size: 6; techs: 18; gov: Rep; gold: 346; city buildings: Library, Market place; Marco Polo
trade routes: 2; units: 1 settler, 2 archers, 2 horse, 2 vans, 1 boat

20 Astro+HBR from huts
40 delivery 200
100 Uni->Wheel; 25g from Rome, 50g from France
200 Get Bridge-Build from England to pass it to Rome, get 25g from Rome
240 Colossus built
260 Delivery 284
280 Wheel->Gravity
420 delivery 337
440 Grav->Engineering; deliv. 352
460 Shakespeare built, city celebrates
500 Aquaeduct
520 Get Seafaring from Egypt

Stats at 520AD:
city size: 10; techs: 25; gov: Rep; gold: 752; city buildings: Library, Market place, aquaeduct; Marco Polo, Coloccus, Shakespeare
trade routes: 3; units: 1 settler, 2 archers, 1 horse, 1 vans, 1 boat

540 25g from Rome, Engineering from England
560 Size 12, research Sanitation
580 San.->Chemistry
620 Harbor built
660 Sewer built; delivery 398
680 100g from France
700 Chem.->Invention, delivery 414
780 Inv.->Nav.
800 English about to finish Copernicus, but we just have the 6th van ready, city maxed out for now at size 20
820 Copernicus built, delivery 352; 50g from Rome
860 Navi->physics; University built, delivery 380
900 100g from France
940 physics->Economics; get eco, IW and 50g from Rome
960 Research democracy(736); 276 done

Stats at 1000AD:
city size: 20; techs: 33; gov: Rep; gold: 2088; city buildings: Library, Market place, aquaeduct, bank, university, sewer, harbour; Marco Polo, Coloccus, Shakespeare, Copernicus
trade routes: 3; units: 1 settler, 2 archers, 1 horse, 1 vans, 1 boat

 

[Blasph23]

- 950 - Shantung founded. Marco built.
- 875 - Another nomad from a hut. Romans exchanged writing for trade, shared maps which revealed third city and an Egyptian town on the other continent, accessible via south pole.
Vikings are receptive, Egyptians and English are icy. Luckily they all have maps so after some gifting, I will have all enemy locations. Let's have a chat with them.
Interesting: Vikings have only two cities and are blocked from expansion by Egyptians, which in turn have 3 cities.
English are by far the largest AI civ, with 4 cities and a separate mini-continent, close to Chinese Core Region.
Unsurprisingly, Egyptians are at war with vikings and Romans.
All civs now enthusiastic, all maps obtained and all techs exchanged. What do I do now? I'll build a colony on the English land, with access to a whale and spice.
- 850 - Whatever was being researched before was obtained via tech exchange so now -> feudalism. I think I will build Sun Tzu and start spamming vet elephants.
Chinan founded. Started accumulating production in great wall to switch to the academy after feudalism is discovered.
Three vans are also being produced to support Beijing.
- 800 - Kaifeng and Ningpo founded.
- 775 - Paoting and Yangchow founded. Chariot popped barbs north of the Roman civ.
- 725 - Feudalism -> construction. Naples founded, trireme with a settler heads for the English land.
- 675 - Issus founded in England. I think it's the right time to slow down research and focus on building Sun Tzu and elephants.
- 575 - Pottery from a hut.
- 500 - Sun Tzu Academy has been constructed.
- 475 - Cunaxa founded. Many cities have already begun creating elephants, I'm also building settlers to connect cities with roads and transfer units more efficiently.
- 375 - Cremona founded.
- 275 - Traded maps with every civ to update the strategic view. They are all still enthusiastic. They won't know what hit them. Meanwhile I continue the expansion to cover potential respawn sites.
- 200 - Romans built HG. This is a nice coincidence because I have already made preparations to begin my conquests with the fall of Rome.
- 25 - Looks like the England crew (Army West) got to their positions sooner than Army South (Rome). In that case, I will start with England.
1 - Canterbury captured.

 

[catalin72]

- 575 - Pottery from a hut.
Reading now with 10 years late) about hidden tech and other tricks,you obtained a big 'joker' tech pottery,normally an advanced tech.If I reload n n times to obtain pottery,I think need 100 reloads).
Good luck !

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+0020 Beijing is size 12. T2L0S8
+0080 University
+0120 Caravan Wheel None chariot from hut.
+0160 Caravan Romans build Pyramids. Physics from hut
+0200 Caravan
+0240 Caravan Engineering Iron Working -> Egyptian -> Burial
+0260 Barbarian chariots near Beijing
+0280 Diplomat
+0300 Archer survives barbarian chariot.
+0320 Caravan
+0360 Sanitation Chariot kills barbarian chariot and turns vet
+0380 None horseman from hut
+0400 Atomic theory from hut. T2L2S6
+0420 Beijing celebrates
+0440 Sewer Beijing is size 13
+0460 Beijing is size 14
+0480 Beijing is size 15. None horseman from hut.
+0500 Harbor Beijing is size 16

Status at +0500
City Size: 16 Government: Republic Gold: 62 Techs: 30 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Marketplace, Library, Aqueduct, Sewer, Harbor, University
Wonders: Colossus, Marco, Shakespeare
Units: 1 None settler, 1 None Archer, 2 None Horsemen, 1 None Chariot, 1 Trireme, 1 diplomat, 7 vans, 1 explorer
Goals: Copernicus, Newton, Refrigeration
Romans: 9 cities, 20 techs; Pyramids
Viking: 3 cities, 18 techs
Egyptian: 4 cities, 22 techs; war with English
English: 5 cities, 20 techs; war with Egyptians

+0520 Magnetism Beijing is size 17
+0540 Caravan Beijing is size 18. English build Gr. Library
+0560 Beijing is size 19. T3L3S4
+0580 Beijing is size 20
+0600 Beijing is size 21. Power jumped to Mighty
Romans and then English demand 100g
They both declare war
+0620 Copernicus Beijing is size 22.
Horseman kills English catapult.
Navigation, Sanitation -> Roman -> peace
Undemanded Spice to Rome for 119
+0640 Caravan Invention T4L3S3
+0660 Caravan
+0680 Beijing is size 23 and out of food. T8L0S2
+0700 Caravan
+0720 Caravan Romans deliver to Beijing
+0740 Caravan
+0760 Caravan Gunpowder T4L0S6
+0780 Caravan Romans build Hanging Gardens.
+0820 Metallurgy T2L0S8
+0860 Newton Electricity T3L0S7
150g, invention -> Roman -> Bridge Building
+0880 Caravan
+0900 Refrigeration English build Leo
+0940 Economics
+0989 Bank Chemistry T2L0S8

Status at +1000
City Size: 23 Government: Republic Gold: 186 Techs: 39 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Marketplace, Library, Aqueduct, Sewer, Harbor, University, Bank
Wonders: Colossus, Marco, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 None settler, 1 None Archer, 2 None Horsemen, 1 None Chariot, 1 Trireme, 1 diplomat, 3 vans, 1 explorer
Goals: Explosives (next turn) to build an Engineer for helping with farmland creation, Democracy
Romans: 10 cities, 26 techs; Pyramids, Hanging Gardens
Viking: 4 cities, 19 techs
Egyptian: 4 cities, 27 techs;
English: 4 cities, 25 techs; Great Library, Leo; war with me

 

[Inkerman]

Ali and the Major playing OCC.
Blasph and me playing EC.
Catalin playing a long high-scoring game.
haleewud probably playing high-GotM-scoring game.

500 saw us in conflict with Romans and English, with 11 ele's and 7 triremes.

475- Found Eight (82,16)#8.
Demand tribute from Romans - war restarts.
450- Found Sixteen (74,36) #16.
Romans develop Iron.
425- Discover Philosophy -> Monotheism -> Republic.
Capture Rome (at size 1), taking Pottery.
Van, Shanghai-London(England), Copper, for 202g.
Hut(isle#13):Nomads.
Horse on mountain holds off Roman archer.
400- Population reaches 1m. Found Thirteen (68,30) #13, Gungho (41,21).
Vikings start GL.
375-

350- Found Eleven (79,29) #11.
Barbs near Sixteen.
325- Disc Republic -> Seafaring.
Swap Republic to Egyptians for Masonry.
Van, Beijing - Paoting, Hides, for 60g.
Rush diplomat in Sixteen.
English develop Engineering, and start KRC.
Barbs land by Sixteen.
300- Bribe barbs by Sixteen: 61g for archers, 82g for ship.
Hut(by city); Crusaders.
Van, Chinan-Memphis(Egypt), Wine, for 80g.
275- Find Canterbury, Uppsala.
250- Find Hastings, Neapolis.

225- Shanghai builds HG.
Van, Anyang-Eight, Hides, for 64g.
200- Destroy Roman Veii, taking Iron. Attack Neapolis. Hut: Crusaders.
175- Capture English York, taking Engineering. They abandon KRC, continue with Pyramids.
English change to KRC.
Agree ceasefire with English as chariot approaches vulnerable unit.
Egyptians develop Construction.
150- English refuse tribute.

125- Ele destroys defender of Cumae, dip bribes, it goes from 2 to 1, for 62g. We get WC.
Violate English ceasefire and capture London for loss of crusader, taking Construction.
Settler is building roads on landmass #14, but for now no war with Egypt or Vikings.
Ele lost to English. Egypt and Vikings cancel peace treaty.
100- Barb uprising near Gungho.
75- Hut(city radius): Legion. Hut(city radius): Seafaring.
Attack Egyptians - capture Memphis.
50- Start on BB. Anyang builds Michaelangelo Chapel.
Bribe Hastings for 124g.
Capture Antium.
25- Capture Nottingham.
Capture Thebes.
Van, Hides, Macao-Sixteen, for 40g.
Sell 2 x barracks.
Overreaching crusader lost.
1AD - Capture Heliopolis - Egypt out.
Hut(island 7): barbs.
Sell 2 x library, both in Egypt.

Stats
Cities:37, Pop:91, Gold:587, Techs:24. Cost: 4 (all barracks). Monarchy.
7 settlers, 22 warrior, 11 phalanx, 1 archer, 1 legion, 2 horse, 8 ele, 15 crusader, 13 trireme, 6 dip, 5 vans.
HG, LH, MPE, Chapel.
Romans - 2 cities.
Vikings - 4 cities.
English - 2 cities.

 

[catalin72]

1750 AD-1871 AD

1752 AD-English and French have a peace treaty/beads van Viborg to London-176 g/Hamburg2fish founded(54,6)
1754 AD-Macao hides to Hastings-64 g/Ningpo salt to Alexandria-80 g/Prague2peat founded(48,40)/French settler near Lisbon(79,29), isolated, bribed,272 g
1758 AD-English and French allied against Chinese/Pompeii wine to Paris 220 g/Hangchow salt to Paris 46 g/SalzburgFrench founded in the French island,(74,18)/BergenSwamp founded,(68,22),in swamp
1760 AD-Barbarian caravel near Heliopolis(Egyptian) and Karakorum(Mongols),(83,37),destroyed with a caravel,4 units
1762 AD-Cummae coal to Elephantine 330 g
1764 AD-More troops near Paris,waiting for a sneak attack,etc,they: 'We ignore your feeble threats'/English trireme near London destroyed with a caravel,2 trireme,a settler,a catapult killed
1766 AD-Little Bighorn dye to Paris 88 g/Ravenna wine to London 230 g
1768 AD-Hastings(3,15) captured,133 gold unpl+granary sold/Milan founded(31,11)/Egyptian founded in the Egyptians island(96,38),fish and pheasant
1770 AD-English warrior in fortress(1,15) bribed,99 g
1772-Railroad research finished,begin Darwin,hurried with 500 g and vans,Industrialization and Communism choices.
1774 AD-Start Espionage research/Russians destroyed,33 g unpl Moscow +library/marginally fights and bribes in England
1778 AD- That sneak attack more expected happened,Paris captured,131 g unpl,marketplace,3 routes/Hangchow salt to Elephantine 84 g
1782 AD -Macao silver to Elephantine 177 g
1786 AD-'Women's Suffrage' finished in Beijing/Pisae silver to Hladir 164 g/Toronto founded in swamp,(40,28)/Revolution
1788 AD-Democracy government/Ironclad kills garrison in Canterbury(English),133 g unpl,city wall,senate sure cease fire,they don't want peace treaty,'are you fool,etc'
1790 AD-Yangchow dye to Elephantine,280 g/Rome wine to Coventry,280 g/Melbourne founded in England,(6,26)
1792 AD-Barbarian caravel near PisaRuski,3 tiles to Moscow,(84,4),luck,caravel single garrison,kills,4 units/3 spies lost in sabotages,not veterans/Chi-Chi4(56,36) coal to Memphis,170 g,contact,senate cease fire...again don't want peace treaty/Veii hides to Memphis 130 g/other spy lost after sabotage../Uppsala copper to Nottingham,260 g
1794 AD-Pisae wine to York,375 g/Sydney founded(62,40)/Peat Chi-Chi6(17,41) hides to Nottingham 146 g,Notthingham nice city for hides trade
1796 AD-Nice Chinese(64,32) silk to Thebes 264 g/Kaifeng wine to Coventry,235 g/and other foreign deliveries/New English founded(2,10),spices/Chi7 founded(25,41)
1798 AD-Warwick silver to Thebes,330 g/Pompeii gold to Alexandria,348g/+other foreign deliveries
1800 AD-4 foreign deliveries
1802 AD-Hladir(Egyptians) in revolt,subvert 732 gold/330 unpl,5 muske,5 buildings,granary sold,one muske disband for colosseum/Bighorn2 founded,(73,43)/Corner south founded,(32,54)
1804 AD -Coventry(English) in revolt,subvert 756g,unplu 174,3 troops
1806 AD-English have magnetism,don't want exchange
1808 AD-Barbarian frigate near Macao(13,37),dragoons pillaging irrigation,2 dragoons bribed and frigate,cavalry kills dragoons in mountain tile(9,37) hard/more foreign deliveries every turn,Notthingham hides,etc
1814 AD-Uraaaa),sneak attack Egyptians,but...bad luck,2 veteran spies and other 2 non vet can't destroy city wall in Thebes to capture the capital,then a non veteran spy revolt in Memphis,more gold lost,2595,Shakespeare's Theatre,4 troops,an engi,granary sold,Senate cease fire...
1816 AD-2 freights with hides to Nottingham,other deliveries undemanded to Thebes
1818 AD-Egyptians magnetism,the last tech using GL/foreign deliveries
1820 AD -Cease fire with English expired,but...Senate don't let me to declare war ! )
1822 AD-Sneak attack English,marginally fights,London captured without bulidings,a fighter and a destroyer lost
Barbarians near Paoting(64,4),a cavalry now veteran
1826 AD-A spy veteran from sabotage unit
1826 AD-1838 AD,foreign deliveries and new cities
1838 AD-Hoover Dam in Nanking(25,31)
Sneak attack English,civ destroyed,with regrets for hides to Nottingham...,captured,538 gold unpl
1840 AD-Barbarians near Ravenna,dragoons attacking 2 engi vet,they resists...,ransom for leader 100 gold,frigate bribed
1844 AD-SETI in Ravenna
1846 AD-Gift Engineering to Egyptians
1853 AD-Sneak attack Egyptians,Thebes captured,453 g unpl,Eiffel Tower,city wall,barracks,but..6 fighters lost,senate cease fire
1857 AD-Again sneak attack,Elephantine and Alexandria captured,457 gold unpl,more partisans appears and cease fire expires for this superiority,but all partisans bribed with 175 gold/unit
Now Heliopolis the 'pet city',in (90,40),reputation down to spotless
1858 AD-Peace treaty signed
1858 AD-1871 AD-Deliveries,new cities,Apollo,Cure for Cancer,UN,expanding to ice border,cities now in grassland tile,in (9,1),(99,59),other cities in desert,etc,engi transforming terrain

Stats at 1871 AD

Chinese-Democracy,all techs without Future Tech,all wonders without Manhattan Project,393/600 in Nanking,98 cities,112 engi,134 defensive units,23 cavalry,5 fighters,25 ships(18 transports),2 diplo,4 spies,9 freights,1 explorer,total costs 1014 g/turn
Egyptians-Communism,Heliopolis,42 techs,peace

 

[Ali Ardavan]

It seems I am way behind Ali's game so far, it is doubtful we will be able to catch up, but let's see,

In no small part my early success in this game was due to a nomad in -3300 from a hut that was not too far away. This allowed my supported settler to join the city a turn after it became size 2, making it size 3. Beijing naturally grew to size 4 much faster not having to support a settler. Soon after Republic was established and celebrations took Beijing from size 4 to 7 with no infrastructure in the city.

Romans and English have been pretty nasty in this game. I regret not having allied with Egyptians earlier when they were at war with the English. They offered alliance several times and I turned them down because they obviously wanted me to declare war on English. Later when I wanted the alliance they were not interested.

The respite from English advances came when barbarians took Hastings. The English unit near Beijing disappeared and for many turns the English were busy trying to take Hastings back which was eventually razed in the process.

The same thing happened much earlier with Vikings. They lost a major city to barbarians and then were preoccupied with taking it back. It too was eventually razed. Due to distance they were unlikely to cause any actual problems but they were hostile for most of the time.

The Romans grew very big early on and have been supreme pretty much all the time. They consistently refused my offers of alliance. Twice I had to pay cash tributes to them (150g in 860 and 800g in in 1380) just to get them to agree to a tech exchange. They also killed my None settler at a time when my city was maxed out, my Engineer disbanded, and my Sewer and Aqueduct sold. Soon after the loss of my settler I got 2 pollutions and had no way of cleaning it up. I decided to bribe an Egyptian settler at a pretty hefty cost (708g) rather than try to produce a new Engineer. The decision to pay Romans 800g in 1380 for a chance to exchange for Feudalism could have been avoided with proper planning. I should have risked a couple of diplomats instead and send for tech stealing. Instead I waited till the last moment hoping they would agree to peace and they never did.

Overall this has been an exciting OCC though I have had much more exciting ones before (Swiss in the crowded Europe GOTM was among the most memorable). I am beefing up my defenses as I am getting close to the space race. Fortunately here the geography is such that I need not defend on all sides.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+1010 Explosives T6L0S4
+1040 Stock Exchange
+1050 Democracy Democracy established. T1L0S9
+1060 Engineer
+1070 Conscription T0L0S10
+1090 Steam Engine Gold to Thebes for 840. T1L2S7
+1100 Supermarket Railroad Beijing celebrates
+1110 Beijing is size 23 again but cannot continue
celebrating because of the Trireme. T3L0S7
Railroad -> English -> peace, maps
Romans demand 650g and declare war
+1120 Caravan
+1130 Industrialization T0L0S10
+1140 Transport
+1150 Coporation Romans build Michelangelo.
+1160 Freight Roman crusader approaching Beijing killed
+1170 Steel
+1180 Freight Explorer disbanded.
+1190 Freight Refining Cloth to London for 387.
+1200 Freight Trireme disbanded. T0L2S8
+1210 Factory Combustion Beijing celebrates.
+1220 Beijing is size 24
+1230 Beijing is size 25
+1240 Automobile Beijing is size 26. Engineer disbanded
+1250 Superhighways Beijing is size 27

Status at +1250
City Size: 27 Government: Democracy Gold: 1079 Techs: 50 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Marketplace, Library, Aqueduct, Sewer, Harbor, University, Bank, Stock Exchange, Supermarket, Factory, Superhighways
Wonders: Colossus, Marco, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 None settler, 1 None Archer, 2 None Horsemen, 1 None Chariot, 1 Transport, 1 diplomat, 6 vans
Goals: Research Lab, Offshore Platform, and other modern infrastructure
Romans: 11 cities, 29 techs; Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, Michelangelo; war with me
Viking: 4 cities, 22 techs
Egyptian: 4 cities, 35 techs;
English: 4 cities, 37 techs; Great Library, Leo;

+1260 Mass Production Beijing is size 28 and out of food. T2L0S8
+1270 Freight Sewer sold
+1280 Nuclear Fission Coal to Thebes for 952. Aqueduct sold
+1290 Freight Recycling Roman crusader kills my None settler.
Horseman kills 2 Roman units.
+1310 Freight Electronics Conscription -> English -> Communism
+1320 1st pollution appears. Roman crusader killed
+1330 Nuclear Power
+1340 Nuclear Plant
+1350 Laser Second pollution appears
+1360 Mass Transit Pollution indicators are gone
+1370 Espionage Mass Production, Explosives -> Egyptian ->
Pottery, Monarchy. T1L0S9
+1380 800g, Astronomy, University, Railroad,
Physics -> Roman -> peace, Feudalism
+1390 Recycling Center
+1400 Spy Chivalry Beads to York for 750.
+1410 Leadership Egyptian settler bribed for 708g
+1430 Tactics Silk to Thebes for 1260
+1440 Battleship Machine Tools T0L0S10
+1460 Alpine Mobile Warfare
+1470 English build Darwin. First pollution cleared
+1480 Mini
+1490 Offshore Platform
+1500 Computers

Status at +1500
City Size: 28 Government: Democracy Gold: 2901 Techs: 68 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Marketplace, Library, Harbor, University, Bank, Stock Exchange, Supermarket, Factory, Superhighways, Nuclear Plant, Mass Transit, Recycling Center, Offshore Platform
Wonders: Colossus, Marco, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 None settler, 1 Alpine, 1 None Archer, 2 None Horsemen, 1 None Chariot, 1 Battleship, 1 Transport, 1 diplomat, 1 spy, 6 vans
Goals: Research Lab (next turn), Space race
Romans: No embassy; Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, Michelangelo;
Viking: No embassy
Egyptian: No embassy
English: No embassy; Great Library, Leo, Darwin;

 

[grigor]

This was a surprisingly fertile map and I was able to expand like crazy. I was hoping to conquer by 1ad, but fell short of that goal. Probably should have started military operations a little sooner. I did end up with a lot of triremes - maybe half as many as Peaster!

GOTM 163 March 2015

Plan: Fast expansion until 1500, conquer with Elephants
Get 6 Cities by 2000:
Try for earliest Monarchy. Settle on Spice, work ocean.
I want to explore for city sites, so pop the hut.

4000BC pop hut: Horse. Move west.
3950 Hut: CB. A 2-whale grassland site for a later city.
3900 move settler to Spice.
3850* Beijing on Spice. Working forest.
3800. res CoL (2/18) work Ocean
3750 Horse gets to western peninsula. Crummy sites here
3600 CoL => Writing (0/27) RB warrior
3550 Hut: Archer (Beijing)
3500 RB Phalanx
3150 Size 1 Settler.
3000 Shanghai on Wheat

2950 Wri=> Mon (2/36) Working Ocean
2850* hut: 50g
2650* Monarchy=> Curr Revolution Monarchy established.
First goal achieved

2600 Hut: 50g
2550 Beijing Settlers
2500 Shanghai Settlers
2450* hut: Canton
2400 Nanking
2300 Tsingtao (5)
2200 Curr=> HB
2100 Rome found. Peace, 50g.
2000 Status: 5C, 1 Settler on new city site.
1 archer, 1 horse. 7 techs, researching HB (almost done)

 

[grigor]

Status 2000 bc: 5C, 1 Settler on city site.
1 archer, 1 horse. 7 techs, res HB (almost done

Goals: double cities to 10; discover Trade

1950 archer withdraws from Rome. Xinjian(6)
1900. HB => Trade (10/84)
1850*. Chengdu (7)
1800 Hangchow (8). Hut: Archers (Hangchow)
1650* Trade => Poly. Tientsin (9).
1600 Romans: 25g
1500 Tatung (10) hut: 9 barbs! Looks like curtains for my horse and archer..

New Goal: MPE, expand to 20C, HG. Poly, MM.

1450* Barbs kill Archer and Horse – looks like I may need some defense. Macao (11)
1350 Barbs disappear - that's nice.
1300 Archer attacks Roman Warrior =>vet.
1200 Roman archer immolates on my vet archer.
1100 Shanghai builds MPE. Hut: Anyang (12)
Romans: 3C, 92g; MM, Mas, WC, Unco, War
Vikes: 1C, 51g MM, Myst. Receptive, War with Egypt
Egypt: 3C,217g, Mas Icy, War with Vikes
English: 4C, 192g. MM, Myst, Pots Icy

Vikes: trade BW, Trade, and Monarchy for MM, Myst; get maps
English: trade Wri for Pots. Peace. Give BW, Trade for map share
Romans: Peace, give pots and trade for map share.
-- see an Egyptian city near vikings so no need to contact them yet.

1050* Shantung (13)
1000 Status: 13C, MPE, 5g. 3 Settlers
1 Archer, 2 horse

Goal: wipe out Romans, take their cities, find respawn area.
build HG.
Start trireme colonies to Egypt area
Send Triremes to English for trade
Need Mono: (Lit, Phil.) then nothing much.
Road network in home area.
try for 20 cities by 750?

950 Nanking builds Trireme
925*. Chinan, Kaifeng (15) Still no red faces!
900 Island Hut: Nomads.
850 Island hut: Ningpo (16)
800 Romans: War
775 Hut: 25g
750 Empty Rome – let’s see if it grows
725* No. Raze Rome 28g. Peace with Romans, share maps.
700 HG in Beijing. Island Hut: Nomads. Good spot for a colony. Rome (17)
675 Yangchow (18).
650 hut: Crusaders. Antium (19) bribed for 30g, WC. Hut: Construction
625*Veii (21) bribed 29g.
600 Naples, Issus (22)
575 Beijing Gems to Hastings (d, 240) Hut: Crusader
550 Wheel=> Eng. Hut: nomads
500 Hut: Engineering. Cunaxa (23) Raze Cumae – Romans Destroyed. Celts respawn.. Contact them and find them on a small island (?) in SW.
Status: 23C, 21 Techs, MPE, HG. Vans in place for LH in 1 turn or Mikes in 2.
7 sett, 1 archer, 3 horse, 3 ellies, 4 crooks, 3 trireme, 1 dip, 5 vans

 

[grigor]

500 bc
Status: 23C, 21 Techs, MPE, HG. Vans in place for LH in 1 turn or Mikes in 2.
7 sett, 1 archer, 3 horse, 3 ellies, 4 crooks, 3 trireme, 1 dip, 5 vans

Plan: LH in 1 turn. Use foreign trade to finance war. Conquer Egypt with crooks from Rome. Need more triremes and colonies.
Probably will need MC in a few turns

475 res Seaf.
450 LH in Shanghai. Cremona (24). Hut: NONE Crook. Island Hut: Cannae (25)
425*. Hut: Feudalism
400 Tientsin Beads to Hastings (d, 80) - that wasn't very good.
375 Capua (26) Hides Anyang-Beijing (u, 26).
350 Turin (27)
325* Seaf => Republic Genoa (28) Crete (29) hut: crook. Hut: 50g. Tsingtao Copper to York (d, 136) - marginally better...
300 Verona (30). Salamis (31)
275. Lisbon (32) Hamburg (33) Prague (34)
250 Celts destroyed, no respawn. Finally contact Egypt – give Seaf, Phil, MM. Peace. Share maps.
225 *. Trondheim razed, Vikes destroyed - no Respawn. Kaupang (35) bribed (incident) Macao Beads to Nottingham (d, 128)

Plan: MC in 2 turns, conquer Egypt, trade Dye to English, switch to Republic. Conquer English too.


200 rush last vans for Mike's.
175 Rep =>Bank. Vans delivered for MC
150 MC in Shanghai. Egypt: War.
125* Salzburg (36). English: give Rep, get new maps. English are far-flung.
100 Cremona Dye to York (d, 160). Not much, but it should finance the coming war with English.
75 Thebes (37) captured, 72g. Bergen (38). English: War.
50 York (39) captured. 48g Venice (40)
25* English: 200g for cease-fire. Peace, they withdraw. Memphis (41) captured, Egyptians destroyed - no Respawn.
AD 1 Banking => Inv. Milan (42)
SunTzu in 1 turn.

I finished somewhere before 500ad.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

500 ... Raze Cumae – Romans Destroyed. Celts respawn.. Contact them and find them on a small island (?) in SW.
...
250 Celts destroyed, no respawn.
225 *. Trondheim razed, Vikes destroyed - no Respawn.
...
25* English: 200g for cease-fire. Peace, they withdraw. Memphis (41) captured, Egyptians destroyed - no Respawn.

Wow! 4 civs destroyed with only 1 respawn! Was this luck or did you employ some respawn-hot-zone control technique?

 

[grigor]

Well, I don't know. I had 34 cities all over the map, and I had units posted in what I thought was the respawn hot-zone. I was a little surprised when the Celts didn't respawn, but I had sort of covered the globe by then. I wasn't so surprised by the lack of respawns the second and third times. My (totally undocumented) theory is that the AI looks for good city sites including at least one special, and if its first few are already inhabited it gives up. But the AI may be reacting to something as simple as the total number of cities relative to the size of the map.

Covering the globe had actually been my plan from the beginning. In GOMT 162 replays, there were occasional respawns on uncovered 1-square islands, preventing conquest until offensive boats or marines. So I got a lot of practice covering all the islands in 162 and I used that concept for 163. I thought I did a pretty good job with 42 cities at 1AD on this map.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Since I am no contender for the green star, here is the final part of my log.

I beefed up my defense before starting the space race with a battleship, an alpine, a marine, and a tank. They were useful as blockers but saw very little action. This was in no small part due to geography. The lake by Beijing helped a lot and so did the swamps and jungles around its perimeter. Romans sent nearly a dozen diplomats my way but they could not find a way to penetrate my perimeter. They brought in cavalry and cannons too but never used them against my defenses. The English sent only a soldier or two because they were busy dealing with barbarians. I built the battleship in case they try a naval attack from their mainland and they never did. Egyptians were friendly till the end and even offered alliance right before the end which I accepted. Vikings were too weak and too far to matter all game.

+1505 Research lab Second pollution cleaned.
+1510 Robotics Romans build Adam Smith. 100g from hut.
T2L0S8
+1520 Manufacturing Pl. Flight Romans build Statue of Liberty. T0L0S10
English embassy established.
+1525 Freight
+1530 Amphibious Warfare Cloth to English York for 480
+1535 Tank Declined Egyptian 400g for war on Romans
+1540 Marine Radio
+1545 Egyptians build Suffrage
+1550 Advanced Flight Romans build Magellan
+1560 Rocketry
+1570 Combined Arms T3L0S7
+1585 Space Flight
+1590 Apollo English have a city north of Beijing!
+1595 SS Structural
+1600 SS Structural Plastics English build SETI
+1605 SS Component
+1610 SS Component Romans build Bach
+1615 SS Component Superconductor
+1620 SS Module
+1625 SS Module Despite spending most of my money
I am still Mighty. 100g from last hut.
+1630 SS Component Environmentalism English build Hoover dam
Power is finally down to Strong! T6L0S4
Roman embassy established.
None horseman disbanded
+1635 SS Structural
+1640 SS Structural
+1645 SS Structural
+1650 SS Structural Stealth
+1655 SS Structural
+1660 SS Structural
+1665 SS Structural
+1670 SS Structural Fusion Power T10L0S0
+1675 SS Structural Barbarian uprising near Beijing
+1680 SS Structural English & Roman dips approach Beijing
+1685 SS Component
+1690 SS Structural Tank survives English Rifleman and turns vet
+1695 SS Structural Barbarians kill 2 Roman diplomats.
Egyptians build Eiffel
Declined Egyptian 200g for war on Romans
+1700 SS Structural Roman soldiers approaching Beijing
+1705 SS Component Barbarians kill 2 Roman diplomats
Marine survives barbarian rifleman
Transport disbanded. T0L0S10
+1710 SS Module 15s3c1m space ship launched
Barbarian rifleman killed
+1711 Guerrilla warfare Barbarians and English fight
+1712 Airport
+1713 Labor Union
+1714 Stealth Fighter Lost my vet chariot attacking barbarian
artillery which is then killed by Marine
+1715 Future Tech 1 Romans build UN
+1716 Romans give up on Beijing and back off
+1717 Genetic Engineering
+1719 Sun Tzu Future Tech 2 Barbarian leader for 100g
+1721 Future Tech 3 Space Techs -> Roman -> Polytheism,
Mono, Theology, maps
+1723 Fundamentalism Turned down English offer of peace
Killed English diplomat
+1724 Oracle Romans join the space race. T0L10S0
+1725 Space ship arrives

 

[Blasph23]

Unfortunately I wasn't as successful with respawns as grigor but I can't really complain either.

1 - Canterbury captured.
40 - York captured, Rome captured.
80 - London captured, Something razed, I didn't even notice the city name.
100 - Cannae founded.
120 - Coventry captured.
140 - Kaupang falls.
160 - Hastings falls. I don't have enough boats...
180 - Trondheim unfortunately razed.
Not much happened for a few turns, lots of troop movement, waiting for reinforcements, recuperating in captured cities.
240 - Memphis captured, Vikings out of the game. Germans spawned.
260 - Newcastle razed. English down to a single city. Romans provide surprising resistance to the charm of my elephants. It's probably because there is no road leading to their territory, I'm in the process of making one.
300 - Warwick razed. England has been defeated. Surprisingly no orange civ has been spawned.
320 - Germans annihilated. No blue civ has been spawned.
360 - Thebes and Heliopolis fall.
380 - Elephantine falls and Egyptians are out. Immediately Aztecs show up and declare war against French. So the blue has spawned after all, they just didn't build their city yet. I guess they need to build at least one city to show up on my diplomacy screen.
EDIT: Nope, Aztecs appeared on the diplomatic screen despite not having any cities. The good thing is that after exchanging maps I also got the location of French settler.
420 - Antium falls. Two more Roman cities to go. Aztecs and French eliminated. The latter only had a settler, the former actually built a city. Spanish spawn close by.
480 - Pompei falls. Madrid falls, removing the Spanish and the yellow from the game.

I finished the game soon after.