Joe_Chompa
Chieftain
thought i'd play through a second time to see how i could improve...finished that game in 1070ad with almost 24 million pop......
GOTM 38 Spoiler
- Thread starter N0mad
- Start date
Old n Slow
Emperor
I'm at the late stages of the game I figure -- buying up cities with spies. Some of my cavalry is meeting only phalanx -- occaisionally there's a musket about -- I may have waited too long for the serious crunch.
Joe_Chompa
Chieftain
ok then.......i just played through thinking of going to chivalry, map making, to trade, then to navigation.....i have a few stragglers left to kill off, maybe 3 cities left of which 2 i cannot see...it is 210ad, one of my cities with high trade has been building wonders; colossus, sun tzu's, hg, mag's, in that order.....at the rate which i developed techs, it complimented nicely the timing of building appropriate wonders
i must confess, i reset the game several times before i had the circumstances turn up that i found 2 free cities in huts(the odds for me were about 1 in 20) i am not sure how you could eliminate the ai's so quickly as to be finished in 140ad, as they regenerate in remote locations.........i suppose i could have built mag's a few turns earlier, but i doubt that would make up for the 15 turn discrepancy though
i was wondering and thought DoM could show the difference clearly with the submissions, the difference between finishing later with more pop and wonders vs. finishing early with smaller pop and wonders? i'll finish this game and submit it to you
i must confess, i reset the game several times before i had the circumstances turn up that i found 2 free cities in huts(the odds for me were about 1 in 20) i am not sure how you could eliminate the ai's so quickly as to be finished in 140ad, as they regenerate in remote locations.........i suppose i could have built mag's a few turns earlier, but i doubt that would make up for the 15 turn discrepancy though
i was wondering and thought DoM could show the difference clearly with the submissions, the difference between finishing later with more pop and wonders vs. finishing early with smaller pop and wonders? i'll finish this game and submit it to you
Restarts was Off for GOTM38; are you retrying a different GOTM?
If you know how the score is put together you can figure that out from the Results page. Compare the regular Score with the GOTM Score, which more heavily weights earlier finish.
Only submit your FIRST play of the GOTM. You can replay and comment in the Spoiler, but don't send DoM more than one game. He has enough work on his hands...
A+ombomb
Actuary
In my for fun conquest game I already had knowledge from my real game, so there was definitely the unfair advantage there. However, you can hover your cursor over black tiles and analyze the numbers to determine where land is legimately, so that is one outlet available to fast conquest players.
As far as getting two tribes, yes I feel I was quite lucky but I don't think that its nearly 1 in 20 probability since I am fairly sure all 5 huts had the potential to produce tribes and remember that early in the game, you can't spawn barbarians (my second tribe was a horseman so I spawned all the huts fairly quickly). I claimed 50g, horseman, tribe, (something), tribe in that order.
I personally have the equation for the gotm score plugged into excel, so I can quickly determine the marginal growth rates required at any given turn to increase my gotm. It mostly comes down to planning, though. You need to know when you plan on ultimately completing your game, and plan so that most or all of your cities have their celebrations to hit their max pops at that date.
Joe_Chompa
Chieftain
oops.....i figured from the 210ad position and looking at the demographics page, that a civ had regenerated, it turned out to be a rogue mongol city (sneaky settlers!).....DoM's game description, the term "no restarts" refers to the ai or to the human?....i am familiar with black ckicking, but that doesn't help to locate enemy cities....what and how do i plug into excel??? that sound interesting....the hut situation for me was various combinations of 25 gold, 50 gold, 100 gold, empty huts(lotsa), archers, horsemen, chariot, different techs (masonry, alpha, bronze mostly). advance tribes and wandering settlers are also possible, but as i explained before, i probly restarted 20 times before i found the 2 advance tribes
Seems like every time I attacked a new AI civ, the civ settled at least one settler into a new city. The Greeks did three, all on islands east of their home continent. If you have an Embassy with the civ (highly recommended at the beginning of an "Extinction Level Event") you can see the names of all their cities, including newly settled ones. There is also a trick to using the city screen to check the locations of your units that sometimes says "Near BongoVille" if your unit is nearer to an undiscovered city than any other. I lost patience with the Spanish, accepted a CeaseFire and gifted them up to Worshipful for a map exchange to discover the last missing city, then trashed my Rep and wiped them out.
Restarts refers always to the AI civs. It expires around AD1500 even if it is on.
There is a way to use black clicking to find cities - the map will not recenter if you black-click on a tile that has a city. You kinda need to know there is something in the area, or just have a LOT of patience.
A+ombomb uses Excel to recalculate his GOTM score. The formula is found on the GOTM webpage.
With Huts, you have no chance of getting an Advanced Tribe if the terrain under the Hut is not Plains or Grass, but you do have a chance of getting a Nomad. On a single continent, if you keep a Nomad it lowers your future chance of Nomads, but not ATs. There is some statistical probability estimates in this thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69873
Those numbers are based on Deity difficulty level; there seems to be some variation in the relative stats based on difficulty (and empty huts based on Barb level?).
Restarts refers always to the AI civs. It expires around AD1500 even if it is on.
There is a way to use black clicking to find cities - the map will not recenter if you black-click on a tile that has a city. You kinda need to know there is something in the area, or just have a LOT of patience.
A+ombomb uses Excel to recalculate his GOTM score. The formula is found on the GOTM webpage.
With Huts, you have no chance of getting an Advanced Tribe if the terrain under the Hut is not Plains or Grass, but you do have a chance of getting a Nomad. On a single continent, if you keep a Nomad it lowers your future chance of Nomads, but not ATs. There is some statistical probability estimates in this thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69873
Those numbers are based on Deity difficulty level; there seems to be some variation in the relative stats based on difficulty (and empty huts based on Barb level?).
A+ombomb
Actuary
Like elephant said, I take the formula on the website and plug it into excel, inserting some base numbers I have for the year. I then project what I will have score wise in a number of years by averaging my point gain for a few years, and adding that recursively. Granted, its fairly rough, since there are obvious instances of point influx (lots of cities hitting size 3) and slowdowns (lots of cities hitting 8/12 without the proper improvements), but it allows me to estimate what year I expect to be approaching a maximum so I know when to start getting rid of my settlers and stop building improvements, which wouldn't be worth building so close to the end of the game (unless they provide luxuries to a city that wouldn't be max happiness at 100% luxury).
TimTheEnchanter
I...am...an Enchanter!
Since it was brought to my attention that I never finished posting my log...
Parts 4 and 5
500 - Borazjan dip
- - - Istakhr settler
- - - Hut Nomad
- - - Spanish city of cordoba located
- - - Meet spanish . They offer peace, no. tribute? War.
- - - 77,23 ship is "near Bokhara"
475 - Pop > 900k
- - - Merv founded
- - - Behistun founded
- - - Kandahar founded
- - - Altin Tepe founded
- - - Green trireme (empty) spotted SW of Thermopylae
- - - Meet Mongol warrior- talk- exchange pottery for map making? Sure. They offer peace? No.Tribute? War.
- - - kill mongol warrior
- - - spanish - demand 100g. No. war.
450 - Mongol phalanx and warrior approach crusader from SE
- - - Kill mongol phalanx/warrior stack, then board ship
- - - Incite revolt in Cordoba - 150g. 53g plundered
- - - Bunyan founded
- - - spanish (5 swords) - demand myst. No.cease fire? No. War.
- - - Arbela Is unhappy at size 3 - riot factor starting to affect cities
425 - Herat settlers
- - - Osaka located
- - - Sink japan trireme
- - - Karakorum located
- - - Kill archer in karakorum - flag drops
- - - Capture Karakorum - 52g plundered
400 - Tyre hides van
- - - Pop > 1M
- - - Crusader ends turn next to Spanish chariot stack
- - - Uppsala located
- - - Tyre hides to Uppsala (d-72)
375 - Spanish unit dies attacking crusader, spanish chariot kills our crusader
- - - Disorder in Dakyanus (size 3)
- - - Antioch diplomat
- - - Mathematics -> Astronomy
- - - (Tech 20 - cost skyrockets)
- - - Trireme kills spanish chariot that killed our crusader
- - - Incite revolt in Uppsala 248g, 98?g plundered, 4 units
- - - Locate viking city Hladir. They talk: demand map making? No. cease fire? No. war.
350 - Mongol units approach Karakorum
- - - Japanese unit spotted along shore E. of osaka
- - - Hamadan Settler
- - - Samaria Hides van
- - - Sardis hides van
- - - Disorder in Sardis (size 4)
- - - Bactra beads caravan
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Pasargadae Hides van
- - - Land at Osaka
- - - Japan talk - demand iron working? No. War.
- - - Phalanx killed at Osaka
- - - Osaka captured - 62g - take The Wheel
- - - Japan talks again.demands iron working again. Nope. Cease fire? No. War
- - - Trondheim (Japan) located
- - - Phalanx/horseman stack killed at Karakorum
325 - Mongol approaches Karakorum
- - - Ergili, Sparta Settlers
- - - Arbela beads van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Disorder in Susa
- - - Warrior killed at Karakorum
300 - Japanese move at Osaka
- - - Borazjan - diplomat
- - - Jinjan settlers
- - - Susa builds Michaelangelo's Chapel
- - - Miscellaneous Elvi fired
- - - Bokhara located
- - - Japanese archer killed outside Osaka
275 - Mongol horse approaches crusader near bokhara
- - - Spanish horse attacks crusader on mountain, 2nd approaches.
- - - Behistun Diplomat
- - - Thermopylae settler
- - - Spanish horseman killed
- - - mongol horseman killed
- - - Nishapur located
- - - Japan archer killed near Trondheim
- - - In 250 years, only 11 cities were added and four of those were from conquest. We have met 4 new civilizations and one city was plucked from each of the Spanish, Mongols, Japanese, and Vikings. We were getting so many cities that the riot factor was starting to make even size 3 cities unhappy, so significant effort was focused on building Michaelangelo's Chapel rather than new cities. now that it is done, it will allow us to expand some more before riots affect our little cities again.
250 - Merv settler
- - - Tureng Tepe settler
- - - Zohak Settlers
- - - Dariush Kabir Settler
- - - Valencia located
- - - Barcelona located
- - - Charsadda founded
225 - Japanese chariot kills exploring elephant
- - - Dakyanus dip
- - - Tyre Silk van
- - - Uppsala diplomat
- - - Incite revolt in Hladir 171g, 69g plundered, settler
- - - Viking civilization destroyed
- - - Ura Tyube founded as canal city on Spanish Continent
- - - Naples founded
200 - Ghulaman settlers
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Issus founded
- - - Cunaxa founded
- - - Toledo located
- - - Incite revolt in Bokhara
175 - Osaka diplomat
- - - Hut 50g
- - - Embassy with japan (only 2 cities left)
- - - Cremona founded
- - - Madrid located by zoc
150 - warrior approaches bokhara - talks cease fire? No. war.
- - - Sardis hides van
- - - Sidon Diplomat
- - - Warrior killed at Bokhara
- - - Samarkand located
125 - mongol archer approaches Bokhara
- - - bactra beads van
- - - Gordium Settler
- - - Cordoba settler
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Pasargadae hides van
- - - Mongol Archer killed at Bokhara
- - - Cannae founded
- - - Incite revolt at Valencia for 140g, 36g plundered
- - - spanish talk - demand 100g - war.
- - - Embassy with spain - 5 cities - Seville and salamanca not yet located
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-224g)
- - - Japanese chariot killed approaching Osaka
- - - Capua founded
100 - Mongol warrior approaches bokhara again
- - - Japanese warrior moves out of Trondheim
- - - Spanish horse approaches exploring warrior S. of valencia
- - - Bampur Settlers
- - - Astronomy -> Seafaring
- - - Antioch Hides van
- - - Susa builds Hanging Gardens
- - - WLTKD in Susa
- - - Seville located
- - - Hut nomad
75 - mongol warrior dies attacking bokhara - vet phalanx
- - - Spanish nearly complete Colossus
- - - spanish Horseman dies attacking warrior on hill(vet)
- - - Altin Tepe settlers
- - - Ergili Settlers
- - - Karakorum diplomat
- - - crusader kills phalanx at trondheim
- - - Crusader kills 2nd phalanx at trondheim
- - - Trondheim captured 92g plundered
- - - japan wants to talk - cease fire? No. war
- - - Turin founded
- - - Genoa founded
- - - Warrior killed in Nishapur (city empty)
- - - Archer, Legion killed at Seville.
- - - Seville captured 34g plundered
- - - spanish talk.cease fire? No.war.
- - - Kill phalanx/warrior outside Valencia
50 - New mongol unit apparently completed in nishapur, dies attacking crusader
- - - Celts talk - exchange seafaring for philosophy,offer literacy -denied. Offer peace, no. exchange seafaring for philosophy this time. Tribute? Denied.
- - - Toledo (Spain) completes Colossus (it's just a matter of time before it's ours)
- - - Celts change to pyramids
- - - Spanish change to oracle
- - - Spanish horse dies attacking vet warrior on hill
- - - Research -> Navigation
- - - Jinjan settlers
- - - Thermopylae settler
- - - WLTKD in Sardis
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Capture Nishapur, 33g plundered, city razed
- - - Crete founded
- - - archer killed outside Bokhara
- - - Sardis hides to Madrid (d-280g)
- - - Verona founded
25 - Spanish horse kills wounded warrior
- - - Dariush Kabir Settler
- - - WLTKD cancelled in Sardis
- - - Tyre Silver van
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Mongols talk -cease fire? No.War!
- - - Incite revolt in Samarkand for 244g, 132g plundered. Barracks.
- - - Mongol civilization destroyed
- - - Salamis founded
- - - Lisbon founded
- - - In this 250 year period, much has changed. The vikings have been destroyed and their former capital has been liberated from Japanese hands. The mongols have been destroyed, allowing unfettered expansion on their continent. We have Embassies with both Japan and Spain so we know there is only one Japanese city left, while Spain has one city still undiscovered (although we have a good idea of where it might be). We have met our final adversary, the Celts, but know little of their empire. In our ongoing fight against the riot factor, we have finally added the Hanging Gardens (This also proved useful in celebrating our size 4 cities for more trade before caravan deliveries). Perhaps most importantly, we have established a ship chain to Madrid for regular hides deliveries.
Parts 4 and 5
500 - Borazjan dip
- - - Istakhr settler
- - - Hut Nomad
- - - Spanish city of cordoba located
- - - Meet spanish . They offer peace, no. tribute? War.
- - - 77,23 ship is "near Bokhara"
475 - Pop > 900k
- - - Merv founded
- - - Behistun founded
- - - Kandahar founded
- - - Altin Tepe founded
- - - Green trireme (empty) spotted SW of Thermopylae
- - - Meet Mongol warrior- talk- exchange pottery for map making? Sure. They offer peace? No.Tribute? War.
- - - kill mongol warrior
- - - spanish - demand 100g. No. war.
450 - Mongol phalanx and warrior approach crusader from SE
- - - Kill mongol phalanx/warrior stack, then board ship
- - - Incite revolt in Cordoba - 150g. 53g plundered
- - - Bunyan founded
- - - spanish (5 swords) - demand myst. No.cease fire? No. War.
- - - Arbela Is unhappy at size 3 - riot factor starting to affect cities
425 - Herat settlers
- - - Osaka located
- - - Sink japan trireme
- - - Karakorum located
- - - Kill archer in karakorum - flag drops
- - - Capture Karakorum - 52g plundered
400 - Tyre hides van
- - - Pop > 1M
- - - Crusader ends turn next to Spanish chariot stack
- - - Uppsala located
- - - Tyre hides to Uppsala (d-72)
375 - Spanish unit dies attacking crusader, spanish chariot kills our crusader
- - - Disorder in Dakyanus (size 3)
- - - Antioch diplomat
- - - Mathematics -> Astronomy
- - - (Tech 20 - cost skyrockets)
- - - Trireme kills spanish chariot that killed our crusader
- - - Incite revolt in Uppsala 248g, 98?g plundered, 4 units
- - - Locate viking city Hladir. They talk: demand map making? No. cease fire? No. war.
350 - Mongol units approach Karakorum
- - - Japanese unit spotted along shore E. of osaka
- - - Hamadan Settler
- - - Samaria Hides van
- - - Sardis hides van
- - - Disorder in Sardis (size 4)
- - - Bactra beads caravan
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Pasargadae Hides van
- - - Land at Osaka
- - - Japan talk - demand iron working? No. War.
- - - Phalanx killed at Osaka
- - - Osaka captured - 62g - take The Wheel
- - - Japan talks again.demands iron working again. Nope. Cease fire? No. War
- - - Trondheim (Japan) located
- - - Phalanx/horseman stack killed at Karakorum
325 - Mongol approaches Karakorum
- - - Ergili, Sparta Settlers
- - - Arbela beads van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Disorder in Susa
- - - Warrior killed at Karakorum
300 - Japanese move at Osaka
- - - Borazjan - diplomat
- - - Jinjan settlers
- - - Susa builds Michaelangelo's Chapel
- - - Miscellaneous Elvi fired
- - - Bokhara located
- - - Japanese archer killed outside Osaka
275 - Mongol horse approaches crusader near bokhara
- - - Spanish horse attacks crusader on mountain, 2nd approaches.
- - - Behistun Diplomat
- - - Thermopylae settler
- - - Spanish horseman killed
- - - mongol horseman killed
- - - Nishapur located
- - - Japan archer killed near Trondheim
- - - In 250 years, only 11 cities were added and four of those were from conquest. We have met 4 new civilizations and one city was plucked from each of the Spanish, Mongols, Japanese, and Vikings. We were getting so many cities that the riot factor was starting to make even size 3 cities unhappy, so significant effort was focused on building Michaelangelo's Chapel rather than new cities. now that it is done, it will allow us to expand some more before riots affect our little cities again.
250 - Merv settler
- - - Tureng Tepe settler
- - - Zohak Settlers
- - - Dariush Kabir Settler
- - - Valencia located
- - - Barcelona located
- - - Charsadda founded
225 - Japanese chariot kills exploring elephant
- - - Dakyanus dip
- - - Tyre Silk van
- - - Uppsala diplomat
- - - Incite revolt in Hladir 171g, 69g plundered, settler
- - - Viking civilization destroyed
- - - Ura Tyube founded as canal city on Spanish Continent
- - - Naples founded
200 - Ghulaman settlers
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Issus founded
- - - Cunaxa founded
- - - Toledo located
- - - Incite revolt in Bokhara
175 - Osaka diplomat
- - - Hut 50g
- - - Embassy with japan (only 2 cities left)
- - - Cremona founded
- - - Madrid located by zoc
150 - warrior approaches bokhara - talks cease fire? No. war.
- - - Sardis hides van
- - - Sidon Diplomat
- - - Warrior killed at Bokhara
- - - Samarkand located
125 - mongol archer approaches Bokhara
- - - bactra beads van
- - - Gordium Settler
- - - Cordoba settler
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Pasargadae hides van
- - - Mongol Archer killed at Bokhara
- - - Cannae founded
- - - Incite revolt at Valencia for 140g, 36g plundered
- - - spanish talk - demand 100g - war.
- - - Embassy with spain - 5 cities - Seville and salamanca not yet located
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-224g)
- - - Japanese chariot killed approaching Osaka
- - - Capua founded
100 - Mongol warrior approaches bokhara again
- - - Japanese warrior moves out of Trondheim
- - - Spanish horse approaches exploring warrior S. of valencia
- - - Bampur Settlers
- - - Astronomy -> Seafaring
- - - Antioch Hides van
- - - Susa builds Hanging Gardens
- - - WLTKD in Susa
- - - Seville located
- - - Hut nomad
75 - mongol warrior dies attacking bokhara - vet phalanx
- - - Spanish nearly complete Colossus
- - - spanish Horseman dies attacking warrior on hill(vet)
- - - Altin Tepe settlers
- - - Ergili Settlers
- - - Karakorum diplomat
- - - crusader kills phalanx at trondheim
- - - Crusader kills 2nd phalanx at trondheim
- - - Trondheim captured 92g plundered
- - - japan wants to talk - cease fire? No. war
- - - Turin founded
- - - Genoa founded
- - - Warrior killed in Nishapur (city empty)
- - - Archer, Legion killed at Seville.
- - - Seville captured 34g plundered
- - - spanish talk.cease fire? No.war.
- - - Kill phalanx/warrior outside Valencia
50 - New mongol unit apparently completed in nishapur, dies attacking crusader
- - - Celts talk - exchange seafaring for philosophy,offer literacy -denied. Offer peace, no. exchange seafaring for philosophy this time. Tribute? Denied.
- - - Toledo (Spain) completes Colossus (it's just a matter of time before it's ours)
- - - Celts change to pyramids
- - - Spanish change to oracle
- - - Spanish horse dies attacking vet warrior on hill
- - - Research -> Navigation
- - - Jinjan settlers
- - - Thermopylae settler
- - - WLTKD in Sardis
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Capture Nishapur, 33g plundered, city razed
- - - Crete founded
- - - archer killed outside Bokhara
- - - Sardis hides to Madrid (d-280g)
- - - Verona founded
25 - Spanish horse kills wounded warrior
- - - Dariush Kabir Settler
- - - WLTKD cancelled in Sardis
- - - Tyre Silver van
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Mongols talk -cease fire? No.War!
- - - Incite revolt in Samarkand for 244g, 132g plundered. Barracks.
- - - Mongol civilization destroyed
- - - Salamis founded
- - - Lisbon founded
- - - In this 250 year period, much has changed. The vikings have been destroyed and their former capital has been liberated from Japanese hands. The mongols have been destroyed, allowing unfettered expansion on their continent. We have Embassies with both Japan and Spain so we know there is only one Japanese city left, while Spain has one city still undiscovered (although we have a good idea of where it might be). We have met our final adversary, the Celts, but know little of their empire. In our ongoing fight against the riot factor, we have finally added the Hanging Gardens (This also proved useful in celebrating our size 4 cities for more trade before caravan deliveries). Perhaps most importantly, we have established a ship chain to Madrid for regular hides deliveries.
TimTheEnchanter
I...am...an Enchanter!
...and Parts 6 & 7
1 AD - Japan develops iron working
- - - Bokhara Settlers
- - - Sardis hides van
- - - Sparta settlers
- - - Susa hides van
- - - Pop > 2M
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-312)
- - - Japanese settler loitering around Trondheim killed
- - - Hamburg founded
- - - Spanish horseman killed
- - - Oops. Sell barracks in Samarkand.
20 er 10 - Japan catapult approaches near hamburg
- - - Spanish legion approaches Seville
- - - Navigation -> construction
- - - Trireme production changed to caravels
- - - Ura Tyube Diplomat
- - - Tureng Tepe settler
- - - Valencia diplomat
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Karakorum settlers
- - - Legion killed at Seville
- - - Japanese catapult killed outside hamburg
- - - Hut nomad
- - - Prague founded
- - - Salzburg founded
20 - Celts want to talk - Tell me to leave vicinity of Tintagel. If only I knew where it was.
- - - Herat settlers
- - - Ghulaman hides van
- - - Sardis - Ack - no longer produces hides - salt van
- - - Sidon Beads van
- - - Gordium gems van
- - - Samarkand settler
- - - WLTKD in Antioch
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Tintagel located
- - - Bergen founded
- - - Antioch hides to Madrid (d-152g)
- - - Susa Hides to Madrid (d-148g)
- - - (Aarrrgh!!, forgot navigation cuts trade payouts!!!!)
- - - Salamanca located. Incite revolt in Salamanca for 318g. 58g plundered
- - - Japanese chariot found, killed
30 - Merv settler
- - - Samaria Hides van
- - - bactra wine van
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - WLTKD cancelled in Antioch
- - - Pasargadae hides van
- - - Hut Barbs
- - - Venice founded
- - - Milan founded
- - - Ghent founded
- - - spain talks cease fire? No. War.
40 - Barb kills diplomat
- - - Celts nearly complete Pyramids
- - - Celts move in on crusader
- - - Cunaxa settler
- - - Naples Diplomat
- - - Charsadda settler
- - - Ergili diplomat
- - - Hamadan diplomat
- - - WLTKD in Sardis
- - - Antioch wool van
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - persepolis - no more hides
- salt van
- - - Sardis hides to Madrid (d-140g)
- - - Declare war on celts by attacking horsemen
- - - Kyoto located
- - - Pisa founded
- - - Dublin founded
- - - Toronto founded
- - - Melbourne founded
50 - Cardiff (Celts) builds pyramids (Thank you very much!)
- - - Construction -> Engineering
- - - Kandahar settlers
- - - WLTKD cancelled in Sardis
- - - Antioch builds Magellans expedition
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - Incite revolt in Barcelona for 188g, 40g plundered
- - - Sydney founded
- - - Hut scroll Republic.
60 - Spanish develop code of laws
- - - Dakyanus Salt van
- - - Tyre spice van
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - archer killed at Kyoto. Kyoto captured, 81g plundered
- - - Japanese civilization destroyed
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - Arbela hides to Madrid (d-112g)
- - - arbela stops providing hides
- - - Approach spanish warrior - talks - cease fire? No. Cease fire for 150g? Sure.
Peace? No. Tribute? No.
- - - Kill warrior anyway, violating cease fire.
70 - Behistun Hides van
- - - disorder in sardis (size 5) elvis hired
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - WLTKD in Tarsus
- - - Samarkand settler
- - - Tarsus hides to Madrid (d-184g)
- - - Salt van parked next to toledo for delivery. Archer moved next to toledo as decoy for attack in hopes of preserving van
- - - New Pasargadae founded
- - - New Susa founded
- - - Kells located (cost 420!)
- - - Wandering spanish trireme (empty of course
) spotted N of Celt island
- - - vet trireme sinks spanish trireme
- - - New Arbela founded
- - - Talk to celts. They demand navigation. No. Cease fire? No. War.
80 - Spanish horse moves to toledo, does not attack either van or archer
- - - Engineering -> Invention
- - - Bampur Silk van
- - - Salamanca diplomat
- - - order in sardis
- - - Tyre silver van
- - - Susa hides van
- - - Sardis Salt to Toledo (d-120g)
- - - Tarsus hides to Madrid (d-184g)
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - Incite revolt in Toledo for 464g. 23g plunder, Colossus
- - - Park Phalanx next to madrid.
- - - Spanish talk. Cease fire? No. War.
- - - Caernarfon located
- - - Embassy with Celts
- - - Celts have 8 cities!
- - - Celt warrior killed
- - - Loaded celt trireme spotted near small island N. of Celt island
- - - Unload trireme then attack celt ship - 2 units destroyed
90 - cremona beads van
- - - Ghulaman hides van
- - - Dariush kabir hides van
- - - Sidon Beads van
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Trondheim settlers
- - - Pop > 3M
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - New Antioch founded
- - - Cardiff located
- - - Celt Horseman killed W. of Cardiff
- - - Carmarthen located
- - - Kill archer at Cardiff, set up other units for attack next turn
- - - New Tarsus founded
- - - 100 years have passed and the end is near. Japan has been vanquished. Spain is down to only having Madrid, which is kept alive simply for its hides demand, and the faint hope that it might complete the wonder it has been attempting to build for centuries. After sailing the wrong way around their island, we have finally found the core of the Celtic civilization and are in position to strike the capital next turn.
- - - I made one decision that was probably a mistake - in order to improve the ship chain and speed the search for the Celts, I pushed for navigation to build Magellan's Expedition and was then going to push for Leo's to upgrade all my tririemes. However, I forgot that Navigation cuts delivery bonuses in half, so my research toward invention was slower than I had hoped - decreasing the benefits of the faster ship chain. Oh well. It didn't hurt that badly.
100 - Two units attack out of cardiff. One dies, second kills our crusader
- - - Invention -> Medicine
- - - Prague settlers
- - - Salamis settlers
- - - Turin diplomat
- - - Borazjan beads van
- - - Jinjan coal van
- - - Bokhara Settlers
- - - Samaria Hides van
- - - Thermopylae settler
- - - Sardis Wine van
- - - Bactra Beads van
- - - Gordium beads van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Pasargadae hides van
- - - Kill archer at Cardiff. Flag drops
- - - Cardiff captured, 39g plundered, pyramids
- - - Celts talk - Demand navigation, no.cease fire? No. War.
- - - Incite revolt at Carmarthen for 146g, 36g plundered, 2 settlers!
- - - Armagh located - celts talk again - demand navigation, no. cease fire? No. war.
- - - Tyre silver to Madrid (d-120g)
- - - Tarsus hides to Madrid (d-184g)
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - New Gordium founded
- - - Caerphilly located
110 - Celt phalanx approaches from direction of Kells
- - - Hamburg diplomat
- - - Genoa settler
- - - Ura Tyube settler
- - - Altin Tepe settlers
- - - Tureng Tepe settler
- - - herat beads van
- - - Valencia settler
- - - Tarsus hides van
- - - Carmarthen diplomat
- - - antioch gems van
- - - Osaka diplomat
- - - seville settlers
- - - Pasargadae builds Leonardo's workshop
- - - Upgrades to caravel, pikers, crusaders
- - - Persepolis beads van
- - - Karakorum settlers
- - - Uppsala settlers
- - - Crete settlers
- - - Cardiff diplomat
- - - Incite revolt in Armagh for 142g. 41g plundered
- - - Incite revolt in Caernarfon for 138g, 36g plundered, settler
- - - Celts talk - cease fire? No. war.
- - - Celt phalanx killed
- - - Incite revolt in Kells for 268g, 65g plundered, harbor
- - - Incite revolt at Caerphilly for 189g. 37g plundered, harbor
- - - cork located on island n. of caerphilly
- - - Harbors sold in Caerphilly, Kells
- - - New Bactra founded
- - - Tarsus hides to madrid (d-184)
- - - susa hides to madrid (d-156g)
- - - New Sidon founded
- - - New Tyre founded
120 - more upgrades
- - - Medicine -> Theology
- - - Caerphilly diplomat
- - - Dakyanus beads van
- - - Borazjan beads van
- - - Disorder in Istakhr (size 4)
- - - Salamanca settlers
- - - zohak beads van
- - - bactra beads van
- - - Gordium beads van
- - - Gordium disorder
- - - Antioch builds Great Wall
- - - Arbela beads van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Cardiff Diplomat
- - - Incite revolt in Cork for 124g, 59g plundered
- - - Celts want to talk - demand navigation again? uh, no. Some nonsense about the great wall then cease fire? No. war.
- - - Set up units to take tintagel next turn
- - - Archer killed at Madrid (Oracle abandoned)
- - - Madrid catpured, 28g? Plundered
- - - Spanish civilization destroyed
- - - New Sardis founded
- - - New Samaria founded
- - - New Hamadan founded
- - - New Ergili founded
- - - Dariush Kabir 2 founded
- - - New Ghulaman founded
- - - Tax 3/0/7 for celebrations
- - - Fiddle with workers for happiness
130 - Dakyanus builds Shakespeare's theatre
- - - Zohak build Oracle
- - - Caernarfon settler
- - - Pasargadae builds Copernicus' Observatory
- - - New Zohak founded
- - - New Istakhr founded
- - - New JinJan founded
- - - New Borazjan founded
- - - New Herat founded
- - - New Dakyanus founded
- - - New Bampur founded
- - - New Tureng Tepe founded
- - - New Merv founded
- - - New Behistun founded
- - - New Kandahar founded
- - - New Altin Tepe founded
- - - New Bunyan founded
- - - Use up movement on remaining units.
- - - Fiddle workers to make more people happy.
- - - To end game-
- - - Incite riot in Tintagel for 174g
- - - (89g plundered. Celtic civilization destroyed)
- - - Hit enter to End Turn
- - - Once the Celt captial fell, it was just a matter of finding their last cities and getting diplomats out to bribe them. While this was happening, the final few turns were devoted to sending the last wave of settlers to any place they could to found cities. A few cities rushed a final wave of caravans to build some completely unnecessary, score-padding wonders, and cities were made as happy as they could be by working trade squares and cranking up luxuries (augmented by monarchy celebrations in the handful of cities above size 2).
- - - Not one improvement was built. A few were even sold when captured.
- - - Side note that may only interest me I never managed to circumnavigate the globe. There is a fairly significant band stretching pole-to-pole between Spain and the Celts that I never explored.
1 AD - Japan develops iron working
- - - Bokhara Settlers
- - - Sardis hides van
- - - Sparta settlers
- - - Susa hides van
- - - Pop > 2M
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-312)
- - - Japanese settler loitering around Trondheim killed
- - - Hamburg founded
- - - Spanish horseman killed
- - - Oops. Sell barracks in Samarkand.
20 er 10 - Japan catapult approaches near hamburg
- - - Spanish legion approaches Seville
- - - Navigation -> construction
- - - Trireme production changed to caravels
- - - Ura Tyube Diplomat
- - - Tureng Tepe settler
- - - Valencia diplomat
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Karakorum settlers
- - - Legion killed at Seville
- - - Japanese catapult killed outside hamburg
- - - Hut nomad
- - - Prague founded
- - - Salzburg founded
20 - Celts want to talk - Tell me to leave vicinity of Tintagel. If only I knew where it was.
- - - Herat settlers
- - - Ghulaman hides van
- - - Sardis - Ack - no longer produces hides - salt van
- - - Sidon Beads van
- - - Gordium gems van
- - - Samarkand settler
- - - WLTKD in Antioch
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Tintagel located
- - - Bergen founded
- - - Antioch hides to Madrid (d-152g)
- - - Susa Hides to Madrid (d-148g)
- - - (Aarrrgh!!, forgot navigation cuts trade payouts!!!!)
- - - Salamanca located. Incite revolt in Salamanca for 318g. 58g plundered
- - - Japanese chariot found, killed
30 - Merv settler
- - - Samaria Hides van
- - - bactra wine van
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - WLTKD cancelled in Antioch
- - - Pasargadae hides van
- - - Hut Barbs
- - - Venice founded
- - - Milan founded
- - - Ghent founded
- - - spain talks cease fire? No. War.
40 - Barb kills diplomat
- - - Celts nearly complete Pyramids
- - - Celts move in on crusader
- - - Cunaxa settler
- - - Naples Diplomat
- - - Charsadda settler
- - - Ergili diplomat
- - - Hamadan diplomat
- - - WLTKD in Sardis
- - - Antioch wool van
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - persepolis - no more hides
- salt van- - - Sardis hides to Madrid (d-140g)
- - - Declare war on celts by attacking horsemen
- - - Kyoto located
- - - Pisa founded
- - - Dublin founded
- - - Toronto founded
- - - Melbourne founded
50 - Cardiff (Celts) builds pyramids (Thank you very much!)
- - - Construction -> Engineering
- - - Kandahar settlers
- - - WLTKD cancelled in Sardis
- - - Antioch builds Magellans expedition
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - Incite revolt in Barcelona for 188g, 40g plundered
- - - Sydney founded
- - - Hut scroll Republic.
60 - Spanish develop code of laws
- - - Dakyanus Salt van
- - - Tyre spice van
- - - Arbela Hides van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - archer killed at Kyoto. Kyoto captured, 81g plundered
- - - Japanese civilization destroyed
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - Arbela hides to Madrid (d-112g)
- - - arbela stops providing hides
- - - Approach spanish warrior - talks - cease fire? No. Cease fire for 150g? Sure.
Peace? No. Tribute? No.- - - Kill warrior anyway, violating cease fire.
70 - Behistun Hides van
- - - disorder in sardis (size 5) elvis hired
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - WLTKD in Tarsus
- - - Samarkand settler
- - - Tarsus hides to Madrid (d-184g)
- - - Salt van parked next to toledo for delivery. Archer moved next to toledo as decoy for attack in hopes of preserving van
- - - New Pasargadae founded
- - - New Susa founded
- - - Kells located (cost 420!)
- - - Wandering spanish trireme (empty of course
) spotted N of Celt island- - - vet trireme sinks spanish trireme
- - - New Arbela founded
- - - Talk to celts. They demand navigation. No. Cease fire? No. War.
80 - Spanish horse moves to toledo, does not attack either van or archer
- - - Engineering -> Invention
- - - Bampur Silk van
- - - Salamanca diplomat
- - - order in sardis
- - - Tyre silver van
- - - Susa hides van
- - - Sardis Salt to Toledo (d-120g)
- - - Tarsus hides to Madrid (d-184g)
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - Incite revolt in Toledo for 464g. 23g plunder, Colossus
- - - Park Phalanx next to madrid.
- - - Spanish talk. Cease fire? No. War.
- - - Caernarfon located
- - - Embassy with Celts
- - - Celts have 8 cities!
- - - Celt warrior killed
- - - Loaded celt trireme spotted near small island N. of Celt island
- - - Unload trireme then attack celt ship - 2 units destroyed
90 - cremona beads van
- - - Ghulaman hides van
- - - Dariush kabir hides van
- - - Sidon Beads van
- - - Tarsus Hides van
- - - Trondheim settlers
- - - Pop > 3M
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - New Antioch founded
- - - Cardiff located
- - - Celt Horseman killed W. of Cardiff
- - - Carmarthen located
- - - Kill archer at Cardiff, set up other units for attack next turn
- - - New Tarsus founded
- - - 100 years have passed and the end is near. Japan has been vanquished. Spain is down to only having Madrid, which is kept alive simply for its hides demand, and the faint hope that it might complete the wonder it has been attempting to build for centuries. After sailing the wrong way around their island, we have finally found the core of the Celtic civilization and are in position to strike the capital next turn.
- - - I made one decision that was probably a mistake - in order to improve the ship chain and speed the search for the Celts, I pushed for navigation to build Magellan's Expedition and was then going to push for Leo's to upgrade all my tririemes. However, I forgot that Navigation cuts delivery bonuses in half, so my research toward invention was slower than I had hoped - decreasing the benefits of the faster ship chain. Oh well. It didn't hurt that badly.
100 - Two units attack out of cardiff. One dies, second kills our crusader
- - - Invention -> Medicine
- - - Prague settlers
- - - Salamis settlers
- - - Turin diplomat
- - - Borazjan beads van
- - - Jinjan coal van
- - - Bokhara Settlers
- - - Samaria Hides van
- - - Thermopylae settler
- - - Sardis Wine van
- - - Bactra Beads van
- - - Gordium beads van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Pasargadae hides van
- - - Kill archer at Cardiff. Flag drops
- - - Cardiff captured, 39g plundered, pyramids
- - - Celts talk - Demand navigation, no.cease fire? No. War.
- - - Incite revolt at Carmarthen for 146g, 36g plundered, 2 settlers!
- - - Armagh located - celts talk again - demand navigation, no. cease fire? No. war.
- - - Tyre silver to Madrid (d-120g)
- - - Tarsus hides to Madrid (d-184g)
- - - Susa hides to Madrid (d-156g)
- - - New Gordium founded
- - - Caerphilly located
110 - Celt phalanx approaches from direction of Kells
- - - Hamburg diplomat
- - - Genoa settler
- - - Ura Tyube settler
- - - Altin Tepe settlers
- - - Tureng Tepe settler
- - - herat beads van
- - - Valencia settler
- - - Tarsus hides van
- - - Carmarthen diplomat
- - - antioch gems van
- - - Osaka diplomat
- - - seville settlers
- - - Pasargadae builds Leonardo's workshop
- - - Upgrades to caravel, pikers, crusaders
- - - Persepolis beads van
- - - Karakorum settlers
- - - Uppsala settlers
- - - Crete settlers
- - - Cardiff diplomat
- - - Incite revolt in Armagh for 142g. 41g plundered
- - - Incite revolt in Caernarfon for 138g, 36g plundered, settler
- - - Celts talk - cease fire? No. war.
- - - Celt phalanx killed
- - - Incite revolt in Kells for 268g, 65g plundered, harbor
- - - Incite revolt at Caerphilly for 189g. 37g plundered, harbor
- - - cork located on island n. of caerphilly
- - - Harbors sold in Caerphilly, Kells
- - - New Bactra founded
- - - Tarsus hides to madrid (d-184)
- - - susa hides to madrid (d-156g)
- - - New Sidon founded
- - - New Tyre founded
120 - more upgrades
- - - Medicine -> Theology
- - - Caerphilly diplomat
- - - Dakyanus beads van
- - - Borazjan beads van
- - - Disorder in Istakhr (size 4)
- - - Salamanca settlers
- - - zohak beads van
- - - bactra beads van
- - - Gordium beads van
- - - Gordium disorder
- - - Antioch builds Great Wall
- - - Arbela beads van
- - - Susa Hides van
- - - Cardiff Diplomat
- - - Incite revolt in Cork for 124g, 59g plundered
- - - Celts want to talk - demand navigation again? uh, no. Some nonsense about the great wall then cease fire? No. war.
- - - Set up units to take tintagel next turn
- - - Archer killed at Madrid (Oracle abandoned)
- - - Madrid catpured, 28g? Plundered
- - - Spanish civilization destroyed
- - - New Sardis founded
- - - New Samaria founded
- - - New Hamadan founded
- - - New Ergili founded
- - - Dariush Kabir 2 founded
- - - New Ghulaman founded
- - - Tax 3/0/7 for celebrations
- - - Fiddle with workers for happiness
130 - Dakyanus builds Shakespeare's theatre
- - - Zohak build Oracle
- - - Caernarfon settler
- - - Pasargadae builds Copernicus' Observatory
- - - New Zohak founded
- - - New Istakhr founded
- - - New JinJan founded
- - - New Borazjan founded
- - - New Herat founded
- - - New Dakyanus founded
- - - New Bampur founded
- - - New Tureng Tepe founded
- - - New Merv founded
- - - New Behistun founded
- - - New Kandahar founded
- - - New Altin Tepe founded
- - - New Bunyan founded
- - - Use up movement on remaining units.
- - - Fiddle workers to make more people happy.
- - - To end game-
- - - Incite riot in Tintagel for 174g
- - - (89g plundered. Celtic civilization destroyed)
- - - Hit enter to End Turn
- - - Once the Celt captial fell, it was just a matter of finding their last cities and getting diplomats out to bribe them. While this was happening, the final few turns were devoted to sending the last wave of settlers to any place they could to found cities. A few cities rushed a final wave of caravans to build some completely unnecessary, score-padding wonders, and cities were made as happy as they could be by working trade squares and cranking up luxuries (augmented by monarchy celebrations in the handful of cities above size 2).
- - - Not one improvement was built. A few were even sold when captured.
- - - Side note that may only interest me I never managed to circumnavigate the globe. There is a fairly significant band stretching pole-to-pole between Spain and the Celts that I never explored.
