GOTM/WOTM/BOTM Schedule
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MarkM
Cow Herder
This sounds great. Taking a peek at WOTM16, I kinda regret I gave my Warlords away last fall, it looks like a fun scenario!
Pleased to see this schedule, and certainly appreciate the staffs' efforts.
Would the staff consider an occasional non-epic standard-map game (especially for the vanilla GOT-only-a-month), now that players have other options to enjoy once they're finished?
Would the staff consider an occasional non-epic standard-map game (especially for the vanilla GOT-only-a-month), now that players have other options to enjoy once they're finished?
You mean like the currently running BOTM02 (although that isn't vanilla)? 
ngraner42
Ultrarunner
Or an occasional small or high water map for those of us who do not see a big time saving in Normal speed and enjoy the increased importance of every city.
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Kudos to the staff 
for the 12/6/12 schedule, which just might be optimal based on:
its apparent populatiry in the threads discussing that,
and the observation from my poll that 12/12/12 seemed to dilute the warlords participation significantly.
I hope that the less frequent, longer warlords games maintain a high rate of participation for that version ... and an actual game of it will answer that much better than a poll would ...
dV
for the 12/6/12 schedule, which just might be optimal based on:its apparent populatiry in the threads discussing that,
and the observation from my poll that 12/12/12 seemed to dilute the warlords participation significantly.
I hope that the less frequent, longer warlords games maintain a high rate of participation for that version ... and an actual game of it will answer that much better than a poll would ...
dV
Conquistador 63
Deity
Well, I intend to play it sometime, I just won't rush to it as its deadline is too far away. 
I also wonder in which month its results will fit in the global rankings: along gotm26/jan (probably not), gotm27/feb or gotm28/mar? That info could come in handy for those who intend to submit 1 fast and 1 high-scoring game each month.
I also wonder in which month its results will fit in the global rankings: along gotm26/jan (probably not), gotm27/feb or gotm28/mar? That info could come in handy for those who intend to submit 1 fast and 1 high-scoring game each month.
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Well, I intend to play it sometime, I just won't rush to it as its deadline is too far away.
Edit: Had to redo this as I used result dates to group, and Alan uses start dates.
(Change to start dates) Start dates are (with expected results dates, assuming within 10 days if things continue to go well)
GOTM 26 Jan 1 (results circa Feb 10)
BOTM 02 Jan 16 (results circa Feb 26)
WOTM 16 Jan 22 (results circa March 22)
GOTM 27 Feb 1 (results circa March 10)
BOTM 03 Feb 16 (results circa March 26)
GOTM 28 Mar 1 (results circa April 10)
BOTM 04 Mar 16 (results circa April 26)
So on Feb 26, BOTM 02 and GOTM 26 are the leadoff "best of" pair.
On Mar 10, that leadoff best of pair becomes GOTM 27 and BOTM 02
On Mar 22, WOTM 16 appears in the results. It is placed between GOTM 27 and BOTM 02, creating a leadoff triplet of GOTM 27, WOTM 16, and BOTM 02. (So unlike my prior results date based system, WOTM 16 will not be the youngest game in the lead triplet at any time. This actually moves WOTM into an aged group sooner than in the results date based system, and I think that perhaps the start date based system will age all of the games more quickly (spend less time in the first triplet or doublet) than a results date based system)
On Mar 26, the leadoff triplet becomes BOTM 03, GOTM 27, and WOTM 16
On April 10, the leadoff pair becomes GOTM 28, BOTM 03. The next group is the triplet of GOTM 27, WOTM 16, and BOTM 02
On April 26, the leadoff best of pair will be BOTM 04 and GOTM 28, followed by a best of triplet of BOTM 03, GOTM 27, and WOTM 16
Is that right now, Alan?
So now, it appears that WOTM 16 will group with two BOTMs (02 and 03) but only one GOTM (27), unless then next lead triplet (with WOTM 17) causes WOTM 16 to be the youngest game in a later triplet ... which means I have to carry this forward further to check ...
dV
If I have this right (hello Alan?)
Nope! Use Start Dates, not Results dates. See my post 7 minutes prior to yours.
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
OK, I'll fix it. Was writing mine while you posted yours.Nope! Use Start Dates, not Results dates. See my post 7 minutes prior to yours.
I expect the change will alter the exact pairings, but not the general idea of the system ...
dV
Start dates are relatively stable and predictable. I use them to remove some significant variables from the equation:
Finish dates depend on the duration of a game, which can vary with the seasons, phases of the moon, or size and complexity of games.
Results dates depend on ... when we publish them, right?
Which can vary with the seasons, phases of the moon ....
Finish dates depend on the duration of a game, which can vary with the seasons, phases of the moon, or size and complexity of games.
Results dates depend on ... when we publish them, right?
Which can vary with the seasons, phases of the moon ....
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Well, publish dates have been good of late, so I was being optimistic ...Start dates are relatively stable and predictable. I use them to remove some significant variables from the equation:
Finish dates depend on the duration of a game, which can vary with the seasons, phases of the moon, or size and complexity of games.
Results dates depend on ... when we publish them, right?
But sure, start dates are more stable.
dV
the system will basically count through until the next game of the same type, so use that set up to look through this list, and you'll get the order..searching with GOTM30 as the latest game, will give you the following ranking triplets/doublets: [GOTM20,BOTM5], [GOTM29,WOTM17,BOTM4], [GOTM28, BOTM3], [GOTM27, WOTM16, BOTM2], [GOTM26,BOTM1]
GOTM30
BOTM5
GOTM29
WOTM17
BOTM4
GOTM28
BOTM3
GOTM27
WOTM16
BOTM2
GOTM26
BOTM1
I believe that is how it works, but since DS and Alan have talked about it more than I have, and I'm just trying to sum it up, I could be wrong.
GOTM30
BOTM5
GOTM29
WOTM17
BOTM4
GOTM28
BOTM3
GOTM27
WOTM16
BOTM2
GOTM26
BOTM1
I believe that is how it works, but since DS and Alan have talked about it more than I have, and I'm just trying to sum it up, I could be wrong.
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
I was going to say that you can't get WOTM 16 grouped (not paired if it is three items, right ) with GOTM 26 because GOTM 27 results will be out before the WOTM 16 results are out. But then you removed that error (or what I think was an error) from your post.
dV
) with GOTM 26 because GOTM 27 results will be out before the WOTM 16 results are out. But then you removed that error (or what I think was an error) from your post.dV
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Yes, you must have been editing while I was quoting ... that is interesting, that forum displays the old but the quote displays the in progress edit ...its in my post...perhaps I was editing it while you were trying to reply?
or I'm trying to make you think you're crazy so I can beat you next game
When I saw that your post changed, I removed my statement that you referenced ... so who looks crazy now?
I think my post #29 above has it right now ... accounting also for the timing of when the WOTM results come out.
dV
dannybe
Chieftain
Just a thought on this although my opinion may be a bit late. I enjoy playing the GOTM & WOTM ( I don't have BTS) but my skill level is far below many or most of the players who participate. So, I usually end up being defeated or retire (and I always play the easiest version of the game) & rarely submit. So to accomadate us cretins why not take one of the variants and create games with a maximum difficulty level of say noble or prince. That way it would give players of a lower skill level someone more to play for. Also, when the results the posted, the Alpha players can take a look & have something to chuckle about.
we try to vary the difficulty of the games in a somewhat sawtooth method...However, the last WOTM was a prince level game, and both the BOTM and GOTM were Monarch level this month, so I felt it unwise to give a third Monarch level game at the same time, thus jumping up the difficulty to Emperor.
Don't worry, all the versions tend to run between Noble and Deity(with both Noble and Deity being fairly rare)
Don't worry, all the versions tend to run between Noble and Deity(with both Noble and Deity being fairly rare)
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Well, I had this idea about a Vanilla Training Game Series ... see this post:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6277458&postcount=31
Does that meet the need you are expressing? If so, maybe worth a poll to see what the interest might be?
I envisioned this for minimal staff work ... in fact, I suppose a non-staff member could even do it as described. Or would it be bad form for a non-staff member to initiate such a thing?
The key to its simplicity is nothing to police ... just a shared learning experience. With the goal of getting players like yourself comfortable and competitive on monarch, which I think is the threshold where XOTM gets to be fun (even on higher levels, a monarch player is productive if not competitive).
dV
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