GOTM114 - Final Spoiler

civ_steve · Jul 17, 2011

GOTM 114 Final Spoiler - Ottomans, Game Submitted

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Me and the family just got back from a week out on a cruise - past time to get some spoilers out. (Vacation's are fun, but man - there is so much to do to get ready for them!) Bring this one in - how did your Ottomans do?

Raliuven · Jul 22, 2011

Acheived Launch in 1715AD.
Firaxis: 4829
Jason: 7138

It was a pretty brutal game just in terms of length. The spread of luxuries made happiness difficult to deal with. The AI did some of the lifting during the middle ages; no help in the Industrial Age - the Russians even got the same free tech as me so I couldn't even trade a tech off of gifting them into the IA. The only required tech picked up in the MA was Ecology, which Russia got for free. The AI was too busy back filling the tech tree to be any help to me.

I didn't pull a GL until 1435AD so my second core went up very late. My plan to withhold my GA for when my 2nd core was developing completley flopped and was a huge waste of time. As it turned out, my GA ended the round before my FP was rushed by my first GL. :mad:

By the end of the game only the French and Russians were left alive to witness my launch. I had hoped one of them would pull at least 1 tech while I was working my way through the MA; alass, it was not to be. The IA was painfully slow; by comparison the MA went by at a nice clip. IA was 1080AD-1490AD, MA 1495AD-1715AD.

Log 1080AD - 1715AD

Spoiler :

TheOverseer714 · Jul 24, 2011

I was going for space too, but went for Diplo when the opportunity arose. I wonder if I could have beat your launch date, as our timetables were very similar.
Here are my scoring details:

Game date:1635 AD
Firaxis score:4143
Jason score:6679

Raliuven · Jul 24, 2011

I was pretty locked into a space victory - the AI HATED me - I razed way too many cities in my quest for space.

Somehow I always manage to kill the AI's ability to research in the late game and I end up researching most of the middle ages, and almost all of the Industrial and Modern Age. Even when I gift them into the next age they either stagnate or backfill the tech tree. If I'm lucky I get a tech trade from a science AI's free tech. All I can think is that I am killing them with gpt trades. At a certain point I decide the AI is worthless for research and I take them for every gpt I can get to fuel my own 4t/tech pace.

One frustration is that I didn't get my GL until way late in the game. I ended up wasting my GA anyway; I should have kicked it off immediately and used my sipahi to fish for leaders. My first sipahi to go elite also pulled a GL from its first elite battle.

Garvarg · Jul 26, 2011

As you guessed I built my 20K city in the capital, and followed my plan.
Out of all possible wonders, I only missed two. (Col, Glight, and Mags not available)

BC Build Dates
4000 Palace
2390 Temple
925 Oracle
850 Library
370 Pyramid

AD Build Dates
150 Great Library
260 Great Wall
280 Colosseum
370 Hanging Gardens
400 Cathedral
830 Sistine Chapel
850 University
940 Heroic Epic
1030 Bach Cathedral
1100 Copernicus's Observatory
1190 Newtons University
1290 Universal Suffrage
1330 Shakespeare's Theater
1380 Smiths Trading
1440 Theory of Evolution
1495 Hoovers Dam
1530 Battlefield Medicine
1550 Wall Street
1580 Military Academy
1695 The Pentagon
1740 Manhattan Project
1770 United Nations
1780 SETI Program
1794 Intelligence Agency
1788 One leader sitting there waiting....

1800 20,031 129 per turn
Firaxis score: 4653
Jason score: 6401

Points of Interest

Leaders
I was waiting forever until I got my first leader in 920AD. Built an army so I could build the Heroic Epic.

1000 Leader 2
1060 Leader 3
1110 Leader 4 (3 leaders in 11 turns)
1265 Leader 5
Then a big wait again
1778 Leader 6
1788 Leader 7 who I could not use, cause I had nothing to build.

Research Republic all by myself. I only knew two civs, and traded lots of stuff to get map making to find others while the Glib was being finished.

Tech leader and strongest AI by then was the French so I got everyone on board for a war against them. Just before declaring peace I brought forces over to take over one french town to have a beachhead for my next war.

Finished off the french and went for the Zulu.
Finished off the Zulu and went for the Scandinavians.
I took my time on these two wars, fought solo, and hoped for more leaders... oh well.
Got my FP built brick by brick .... 1760 in old Paris. Dumb.

Peace and Love.

About 25 turns to the end, I turned off research, (I had enough to build and everyone had Mutual Protections deals with everyone else). Then the Arabs attacked me on the ill protected land once owned by the Vikings. Every one declares, and I finish off the Arabs. Had I expected this war I would have kept research going so I could have used my last leader.

PaperBeetle · Jul 27, 2011

Sincere apologies, Garvarg.

The Ancient Age
I settle in the +5fpt location, and send my first settler down to the coast to found my 20k town, Istanbul. Monty shows up pretty soon, as do the barbs. Both give me trouble, but the Aztecs are for sure the worse of the pair. Monty dows in 1500bc, taking my capital, leaving me with just two towns, one of them half way through Colossus. I put on my best poker face and finish up Colossus before slowly grinding out a military advantage on the Aztecs. I retake Sogut in 590bc, but am forced to call peace while I build more forces. 20 turns later, the war is back on, though it is still slow going without the support of Istanbul, which is trying to catch up on culture builds it skipped while churning out archers. Most of the ancient wonders are already gone though. Moronically, Monty sells my contact details to Abu in 90bc, and through him I get to meet most of the remaining AIs. In 130ad, I trade my way into the medieval, drawing free Feudalism.

War and Peace
I buy Monotheism from the Russians and start up the top branch of the tech tree. Istanbul finishes Glib in 260ad, in time for it to earn me a single free tech, Monarchy. Better than paying for it, I suppose, and Gardens is my next wonder, kicking off my golden age. At the same time, I also restart the war with the Aztecs, having given them peace during the end-of-ancient-age trade deals. In 470ad, my third elite win throws a leader, so I form an army, quickly get a victorious battle with it, and give Monty peace again in 470ad. The Great Wall of Tenochtitlan is really causing me pain.

Research and Trade
By now, the other AI have woken up and started helping my cause; Abu by dowing me, while the French and Russians are actually managing to research a bit, so I get to trade up the bottom branch of the tech tree as far as Guns. Of course, in a way this is just getting me caught up part of the way to where I would expect to be, had the Aztecs not distracted me early on, but it is welcome nonetheless. Cath also manages to complete Metallurgy just before me, so I buy it from her, bring us both into the industrial, in 990ad. She gets Medicine, I get Steam.

Montezuma and Revenge
Abu buys Monty onto his side in our war in 700ad, so I resume the slow trudge through Aztec towns. This must be one of the most drawn out, piecemeal wars I ever fought. The end finally starts to come into view when I claim Tenoch in 1140ad. I jump the palace up there with a leader; Istanbul has been the capital ever since the fall of Sogut, though it was always my plan to do a second-city-20k. Istanbul finally gets to build FP in 1210ad. Without the Wall to back them up, the Aztecs are much less of a slog, and I finally sweep them from the game in 1255ad. Quite a relief for my chronically unhappy populace.

Pacts and Progress
I've been fighting to claim my continent for almost 3000 years (and even now there remains a well-developed French town in the northeastern peninsula), but it is not until 1375ad that I finally start to make my presence known overseas. I realise this because one of my ships bombs an Arab vessel in enemy waters for the first time, triggering an MPP Abu has with Shaka. The Zulu will get his turn, but first I send my (by now fully industrialised) army over to Arabia, taking the small tundra island on the way. I arrive on the Arabian mainland in 1445ad with an infantry army, and start piling in artillery under its cover. My first overseas campaign, and I'm almost in the modern era: Radio is done in 1475ad, and I get Fission free, while Cath tries to be difficult by drawing Ecology.

Enemies and Traitors
As usual, fighting an artillery war against rifles and strong culture is a slow business, even when the tanks and mechs start reaching Arabia. Slow, but inexorable. I am done with Abu in 1565ad, and ship everyone north to make good on Shaka's earlier dow. Being Shaka, he is lagging in tech so this war is a little easier. By 1665ad he is out, and I am lining up the obvious move; south overland into Russia. But Joan tries to make things interesting by sneak attacking, taking Ngome. Now, this is the kind of war I really like in Civ, despite some trepidation; she is the strongest AI in the game, and modern. I have been feeding her tech and lux for a long time, in exchange for her gpt keeping my economy in the black. Spies report that France fields 70 infantries, 10 guerillas, 7 tanks, 9 ironclads, 4 battleships, 6 fighters, 11 bombers and a jet, amongst other scraps. This is going to be fun.

Planes and Trains and Missiles
Okay, maybe that's not enough of a force for the AI to put up a real fight. Joan spends quite a lot of effort on air superiority, keeping my own bombers and jets on the hop, and her fine rail network forces me to spare some thought to protecting my gains from opportunist cavalries. But there isn't much she can do to stop my land forces, especially as I have about half a dozen armies in the field, thanks to a combination of spare construction capacity in Istanbul and spectacular luck with leaders. I have France under control by 1760ad, though not before Joan manages to bomb my first modern armour with a cruise missile! It's not every day I get to experience that match-up.

Domination (almost) and Conquest (nearly)
I'm dancing around the dom limit now, so everything else is just mopping up for the sake of it. I dow Cath in 1762ad (triggering an MPP with Bella also) and spies discover a surprisingly thin army. It takes only five turns to destroy Russia with one task force, while the other branch of my army heads west from France to deal with the Spanish. Bella is gone in 1786ad, and I move over to the Vikings, attacking from north, south and west. I don't quite manage to reduce Ragnar to a single town before the game ends: Istanbul hits 20k in 1798ad. I score a lowly 3311 Firaxis points, for 5213 Jasons. A fun game though.

Spoiler 20k Dates :

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Spoiler Leaders :

Garvarg · Jul 28, 2011

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHaaaaaaaaaashhucks.

CKS · Jul 28, 2011

Gee, whiz. I went 20 K in the capital, finishing in 1822, with a whopping 4 GL. (I think, though it might have been only 3.) The last came during modern times and rushed the Internet. That was a lot of help. (Actually, it did knock one turn off my finish time, because I ended with 20,008 cp.) I spent a lot of time at war; I had a lot of elite victories, though I didn't track them (or anything else, really). I've either got to get on better terms with the RNG or give up on fast 20Ks.

Lanzelot · Jul 28, 2011

Holy cow, that must have been quite a difficult game!! I had looked at the start screenshot, when the game came out, and I said to myself "Two wheat and lot's of hills, that looks like a nice 20K game! Monarch shouldn't be that difficult either, perhaps a 1600 date is possible?!"
Never expected it would take all of you until 1800! :eek:

(Even with 18 MGLs -- more than I got in my entire life...

) But I guess having Monty as a neighbor spoiled everything... No way to keep him happy with little gifts, embassy and RoP, until you have your defenses up?

Raliuven · Jul 29, 2011

I think the spread of luxuries - and deficiency thereof - was made it really difficult. Because of the land placement it was impossible to trade until sea/ocean squares were available and by the time reliable routes were available, there wre no luxuries for sale amongst the AI. I was going to do a tech for lux trade and be peaceful, but that ended up being untenable.

Of course my position was not helped by the fact that my first major invasion was the viking island with NO luxuries at all or that even conquering the Arabs with their 2 luxuries didn't bring relief until Astro. I should have beelined straight to Astro rather than MT and life would have been easier. My idea had been to go MT and trade up to Astro; that didn't go so well.

JonathanValjean · Jul 30, 2011

Greetings to my fellow GOTM players!

Well, after spending a great deal of my already almost non-existent Civ-playing time on the C3C India Deity game, I almost waited too long to tackle the the challenge of playing the Ottomans with their fearsome Sips. In fact, because the game was archipelago, I almost forewent it altogether; however, because commanding Sips can be so much fun and because I hadn't done so in such a long time, I decided to give it a whirl. As I started the game with less than 48 hours left on the clock, the result is a very hastily played game--after a full day of work on Friday and on five hours sleep, I played feverishly for six hours to submit the game in time. So, although perhaps my military strategizing should not be emulated (

), my campaign for world domination did prove successful. Gotta love those Sips! :goodjob:

Because I played the game in a such rushed manner, I didn't take many (errhmm... any) notes, but the order of my "conquests" were as follows:

1) Aztecs (With Swords and Archers)
2) Arabs (With Medieval Infantry and Longbows)
3) Russia (With Medieval Infantry and Longbows)
4) Vikings (With Sips)
5) Spain (With Sips)
6) Zula (With Sips) (In progress at the end of the game)
7) France (With Sips) (Had just begun the invasion when domination criteria were reached)

I was lucky enough to get three great leaders, and with those leaders, I rushed the FP in my new core (unfortunately, it was fairly late, around 1230AD or so), built a Sip army (that I used only once, for it was very late in the game and I was unable to transport it before the game was over), and rushed Newton's University. I also built a couple of wonders brick by brick: Leanardo's Workshop (to make upgrading horsemen-->sips a much less expensive endeavour) and Magellan's Voyage (to make seafaring a bit quicker).

Anyway, without further ado, here are the stats:

Game status: Domination Victory for Ottomans

Game date: 1405 AD

Firaxis score: 4329

Jason score: 7519

Time played: 12:36:31

I'm getting married next weekend, but I hope to still participate... some day!

Megalou · Aug 2, 2011

Predator

I made an attempt at diplo and I would have made the deadline but...

Settled a ring at RCP 4 which meant that about half of the core towns would reach size 12 and the others about 9-11.

I kept a minimum of troops for financial reasons, eradicating the Aztecs in the ancient age and early middle ages with an average of 9-11 swordsmen. Actually only one town produced military. No leader, which keeps me convinced that horsemen are much more effective in producing leaders, but I didn't have the resources to connect horses early on.

The free techs after gifting Russia were monotheism and engineering. The lack of luxuries remained a problem through a big part of the middle ages. But after theology, education, astronomy, banking and feudalism I made 4 turn research, as I recall. Especially annoying was the fact that France didn't build a single harbour until about 900 AD! Perhaps they had too much other stupid things to build since I singled them out for tech partners and gifted them up all the time. But at least Zululand and Arabia provided ivory, dyes and silks.

With the surviving veterans of the Aztec war I snatched furs from Spain. The FP was overdue then and there was no town on the starting continent worthy of a palace flip.

At the very end of the middle ages I used Newton's Academy to kick off a Golden Age for the first, expensive IA techs. Russia or France then reseached Chivalry (not MT, even though they could) for me and I immediately invaded the Vikings. I got one leader and FP was built in Nidaros. Workers were brought over and a small research boost was achieved by the time the GA drew to an end. Then I made sure that the furious Spaniards and the furious Vikings were no more. This marked the end of my military ambitions for sure.

The IA was characterized by a lot of 5 turn research, as it turned out. It was 5 turns during the golden age and 5 turns during the FP period (excepting a few light weight techs like Scientific Method, of course.) I decided to take a chance and use the two free techs from Darwin for Atomic Theory and Electronics, and NOT for Radio and Fission. (It seems annoying to me that unless you try this you have no use for the scientific trait in the modern era when you go for diplo.)

Russia being scientific, I had a 7/16 chance of getting Fission. But there is another problem too: Unless you have a leader tucked away and DON'T get Fission you can have one UN prebuild at almost 1000 shields (palace) and one at less than 800 shields (Hoover Dam.) So if you don't get Fission for free and if you haven't micromanaged the 1000 shield prebuild carefully, you will lose many turns. Well, I didn't, I hadn't and I did. I had to build SETI program and start a new palace prebuild.

Disilliusioned, I continued into the 1100s AD. When UN completion was near at hand, I was distracted by some Zulu forces landing in my territory. I forgot to switch the prebuild, and built PALACE. I'd had enough. Gah. But perhaps this attempt will be an incitement to play a few more GOTMs in the months to come.

PaperBeetle · Aug 2, 2011

Megalou said:
But there is another problem too: Unless you have a leader tucked away and DON'T get Fission you can have one UN prebuild at almost 1000 shields (palace) and one at less than 800 shields (Hoover Dam.) So if you don't get Fission for free and if you haven't micromanaged the 1000 shield prebuild carefully, you will lose many turns. Well, I didn't, I hadn't and I did. I had to build SETI program and start a new palace prebuild.

I don't quite get what happened here, though of course I'm familiar with the general problem. If you have both a 1000-shield palace build and an 800-shield backup build, what's the need for micro? You'd take SETI with the palace and UN with the backup build as soon as Fission reasearch completed, wouldn't you?
If you haven't got a backup build, but do still have a 600 or 800 shield wonder available, you can use that to dump some shields from your palace prebuild, e.g. switch the build to Smith then switch it back to palace, during the interturn when you go modern.

Megalou · Aug 3, 2011

The extent of my sloppiness goes beyond the scope of the conscientious C3 player: I had already built Hoover Dam and Economics was unknown. The problem was my carelessness and ultimately my lack of playing time at decent hours.

Lanzelot · Aug 5, 2011

Megalou said:
When UN completion was near at hand, I was distracted by some Zulu forces landing in my territory. I forgot to switch the prebuild, and built PALACE.

(Sorry, Megalou, I know I am very mean.... :devil:

But that really made me laugh...

)

Kind of like in one of my 20K games when I finally got an MGL, sent it to the 20K city in order to rush a wonder -- and then accidentally clicked the "Build Army" button... [pissed]

(I already had the HE...))

Megalou · Aug 5, 2011

Yes, Dear Sir Knight, I recognize doing that as well. But all the more sizu for GOTM 115. Hm, I wonder when it will be up...

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