GOTM39 Spoiler

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by ElephantU
I shifted research down to 20% after getting PT...

I just noticed this comment. Is that a typo, or are you actually doing conquest in Republic??? (or worse yet, running luxuries in monarchy?)

 

[grigor]

I wiped everybody out except for a Sioux Zoo City byh 740AD, then played in Republic for a few turns to make the civ look respectable, finishing in 900AD. I look forward to seeing Tim's final log - the 100BC to 1AD portion was very efficient, even elegant.

 

[ElephantU]

Tim - I found that upping Lux to 10% gave me more gold than keeping it at 0. Not sure why, but maxing gold was the goal so I went with it. I had at least one city in celebration with HG, which may have been why.

The Chinese were easier than I expected, as they lost the race to the Great Wall. The "homeland reinforcements" sufficed to take them out, after which the "vet assault forces" took on the Egyptians. Still, distances slowed things down and I was not in position to kill off the Sioux once the last Egyptian city decided to defect. I finished just after the historic death of Constantine, still researching Chivalry. If I had gotten to Republic I might have considered a few turns of WLTCD, but there were few trade routes or improvements to make that work. Oh well.

I'll post my log next week.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Doh! That's right. I think I even did that myself for a while. My understanding is that it has to do with the way the system deals with fractional results when prorating the trade arrows between the three categories.

If, after prorating and rounding there are any arrows not accounted for, the leftover amount is added to Gold. By splitting the 30% non-gold into two categories, you make it so that in cities with a certain amount of trade, both Science and luxuries get rounded down and the extra arrow goes to gold, whereas at 30% the full amount goes to science.

 

[Old n Slow]

Another subtle lesson -- maybe we need to start a thread of itty bitty ideas to use in special circumstances.

 

[ElephantU]

Like stopping a Settler on a road after two tiles movement and having him do a turn of work, then waking him up again so that next turn he is pre-charged (assuming his next job is 4 or 6 tiles away over roads)?

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I thought that was just standard practice.

 

[A+ombomb]

I lost a size 24 super city on the right side island at about 100 ad to a HUGE mob of crusaders from an uprising! Needless to say my chances on this gotm were completely stifled.

 

[ElephantU]

You could go for the "Comeback King" award...

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I wiped everybody out except for a Sioux Zoo City byh 740AD, then played in Republic for a few turns to make the civ look respectable, finishing in 900AD. I look forward to seeing Tim's final log - the 100BC to 1AD portion was very efficient, even elegant.

I don't remember anything particularly elegant happening during the pre-1ad period...what did I do?

 

[A+ombomb]

Comeback king? hehe, didn't know there were all these awards.

 

[ElephantU]

Back when GOTM was in the 'teens the saves would be posted and people would nominate others for wacky awards. Read some of the old Spoiler threads from back then.

 

[Old n Slow]

Just wait for Starlifter's return -- then we'll see a boatload of them.

 

[ElephantU]

Been waiting for that in vain for several years now... I fear he's moved on to something else.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I fear he's moved on to something else.

My fear is that he's somewhere caught up in the "Mess o' potamia"* region



*Full credit for that name goes to Comedy Central's The Daily Show

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Grigor showed some interest in my game, so I got looking at my notes trying to figure out what was so interesting. The one thing I noticed was that, while I didn't always move quickly between civs, I usually hit them hard and fast when I got there, at least on their home turf. (England and Rome had managed to sprout distant colonies which took a little longer to clean up.) I decided to augment the log for anyone interested in seeing how things happened.

The first set of turns was devoted to filling the home island to form the engine that will power our military. Hanging Gardens are built to keep people happy and productive for some time.

4000 - Zimbabwe founded
3950 - Start -> Alphabet
3800 - Warrior
3750 - Alphabet->Code
- - Hut scroll Pottery. Eh…I'll need it eventually. Would have preferred cash, or Currency
3300 - Zimbabwe Settlers
3200 - Ulundi Founded
3050 - Code of Laws -> Monarchy
2700 - Zimbabwe Settlers
2650 - Ulundi Settlers
2550 - Bapedi founded
2500 - Monarchy -> Currency
- - Hlobane founded
- - REVOLUTION
2450 - Monarchy Established
2100 - Ulundi Settlers
- - Currency -> Map Making (no trade)
- - Zimbabwe Settlers
1900 - Isandlwana founded
- - Intombe founded
1850 - Bapedi Settlers
1750 - Map Making -> Trade
1600 - Hlobane Settlers
1550 - Ulundi Settlers
1450 - Romans Start Colossus
1400 - Trade -> Writing
1350 - Ulundi Warrior
- - First Forest planted
1200 - Bapedi Settlers
1150 - Isandlwana Dye van
1100 - Intombe Dye van
975 - Writing -> Horseback Riding
- - Ulundi Dye Van
- - Zimbabwe builds Hanging Gardens
950 - Hlobane Dye van
925 - Tax 70/30/0
900 - Mpondo Founded

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Next the focus was on building a war infrastructure; Marco Polo for recon data and technical assistance, Lighthouse for vet ships and safe seas, and Sun Tzu for deadly vet ground forces. These turns also saw a futile attempt to grow through expansion. A few cities were founded but no significant growth. A couple nearby cities helped a bit with the wonder production later in the game, and a few of these cities built the units that took out China, but not much more. The terrain near the home island was absolutely putrid.

After building MPE and seeing the maps, I immediately gave up thoughts of a BC finish, so the assault forces waited until the War Wonders were all built. By the end of this set of turns the war machine was starting to push out across the seas. Some initial caravan deliveries pay for the first wave of fighting.

825 - Isandlwana dye van
- - Zimbabwe Dye van
- - Intombe builds first Trireme
- - Tax 3/7/0
800 - Zimbabwe builds Marco Polo's Embassy
- - Talk to Vikings: Exchange HBR for Maps? Yes. Exchange Writing or Trade for Wheel? No. Demand Writing. NO. Peace? Yes. Gift Writing Alliance? No. Maps. Yes.
- - Romans (4spear): Demand Writing? No. Gift writing. Won't exchange. Give trade. Give monarchy. Peace. Exchange? Yes. Exchange Cer Bur for War Code. No alliance. Maps.
- - Sioux(5spear): Demand map making? No. War
- - Egypt (0spear); Demand trade, no. Gift Trade, Maps, Monarchy. Peace. Exch. Maps.
- - England (2spear): Demand Cer Bur? No. War.
- - Taxes 7/3/0
775 - English develop Masonry
- - English start Pyramids
- - Research -> Feudalism
- - Ulundi Dye van
- - Neighboring island appears to be even nastier than ours.
725 - Ngome founded on Peat swamp. :yuk:
- - English -Give cer bur. Cease fire. Give Writing, War code. Exch. Maps
- - Sioux give map making - cease fire. Give writing, Trade, Exch Maps.
700 - Sioux start Colossus
- - Hlobane Dye van
- - Chinese - exchange? Not now. Demand Trade? No. Peace? Yes. No alliance. Give Trade. Exch. Maps? No. Oops. Give Map making, NOW exchange maps.
675 - Vikings develop code of laws
- - Swazi founded
650 - Intombe dye van
- - Zimbabwe dye van
- - Feudalism ->Chivalry
625 - Chinese start pyramids
- - Zimbabwe builds Lighthouse
600 - Romans nearly complete Colossus
- - Isandlwana Dye van
- - Ulundi Dye van
575 - Egypt develops mysticism
- - Egypt starts Pyramids
- - English develop currency
- - Rome builds colossus (Sioux abandon)
550 - Hut nomads
- - Another new island - finally something besides swamps….Jungle!
525 - Vikings start Pyramids
- - Sioux develop wheel
- - Hlobane Dye van
500 - Romans develop seafaring
- - Tugela founded
475 - Vikings develop Currency
- - Mpondo Dye van
- - Intombe dye van
- - Bapedi Dye van
450 - china develops code of laws
- - zimbabwe dye van
- - Hut advanced tribe Umtata
425 - Isandlwana Salt van
- - Ulundi Silk van
400 - English nearly complete pyramids
- - Barb pirates attack Roman ship. Not sure who won.
- - Zimbabwe completes Sun Tzu's Military Academy
- - Taxes 3/7/0 to complete current tech before caravans delivered
375 - English develop Literacy, change from pyramids to GL
- - Romans talk - exchange? No. Demand HBR? Sure.
- - Umfolozi founded
- - Caravans wait a turn for tech
350 - Chivalry -> Mysticism
- - Ugh, I'm such an idiot! Cant exchange techs with china or Egypt because they’re working on pyramids. Assume same will apply with trying to get masonry from Vikes or English (building GL)
- - Ulundi Dye to antium (d-200g)
- - Tax 7/3/0 again
- - production to knights and triremes
325 - Mysticism ->Polytheism
- - First knight completed
- - Isandlwana dye to Rome (d-204)
300 - Polytheism ->Literacy
- - First Military expedition sets sail
275 - Egypt develops seafaring
- - Sioux develop Iron working
- - Hut - None knight
- - New, empty Viking city of viborg spotted right next to hut - wait a turn before taking, so vikes don't kill our camel in their territory.
250 - Vikings develop Literacy - even better
- - Vikes change to GL
- - Romans develop Literacy
- - No! Viborg now has defender…killing it will destroy city meaning we won’t get Literacy
- - Zimbabwe dye to Trondheim(d-206g)
- - Try to preserve our reputation (for now)...Talk to Vikings -they demand warrior code, no. tribute? War!
- - Aha! Remember that ships can kill without city reduction! Assume defender is a quick-rushed warrior. Empty boat in case something bad happens.
- - Vet trireme kills warrior in viborg.
- - Knight captures viborg, 18g plundered. Take Literacy. City Razed.
- - Vikings want to talk - Demand war code, no. Cease fire? No.
- - Kill warrior wandering near former site of Viborg.
- - Tax 6/4/0
225 - Romans get HBR from Sioux for Literacy peace
- - Research -> Philosophy
- - Intombe diplomat
200 - Viking settler comes out from Trondheim
- - Sioux start GL
- - Sioux get monarchy from Romans for wheel
- - Philosophy ->(Golden Age)->Monotheism-> Republic
- - Warrior, Chariot, Warrior killed at Trondheim, City Razed.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

This next period is the start of our real military operations. The main assault force makes a blitz through the remaining Viking cities, and moves on to England where we begin the methodical march through their main area. Also during this time, smaller attack forces are dispatched to the Roman and Chinese mainlands. The Roman force has a caravan, 2 knights and a diplomat in two triremes, while Task Force China is a single trireme with 2 knights. By the end of these turns we are on the ground, making headway through England, Rome and China.


175 - English develop Construction
- - Isandlwana dip
- - Hlobane Dye van
- - Bapedi Dip
- - Bribe Viking settler
- - Ibabango Founded by bribed settler, forming canal on Viking land
150 - Viking chariot kills Knight
- - Egypt develops horseback riding
- - Romans acquire masonry
- - Revolt in Kaupang for 126g, 43 gold plundered, Masonry taken, warrior, barracks
- - Vikings want to talk cease fire? No. wheel? Sure. Peace? No.150g? Why yes, thank you.
- - barracks sold
- - Talk to Egypt exch? No. Demand literacy No. update maps
- - Romans: exchange? No. Demand Philosophy? No. Update maps
- - English: Exchange? No. Peace? No. give trade, pottery. Update maps
- - Oops. Tax back to 70% Put sci/lux at 20/10 as that somehow gives us more gold (due to rounding, I think)
125 - English nearly complete GL
- - Ibanbango Diplomat
100 - Viking ship sails away from Aarhus. Too bad.
- - Chinese develop literacy
- - York builds Great Library (Sioux abandon)
- - Kaupang Diplomat
- - Vikings: Demand tribute…war.
- - Phalanx, warrior killed at Hladir. City Captured, 3 gold plundered Razed.
- - vikings want to talk. Cease fire? No.
- - Revolt in Uppsala 106g, 6g plundered, barracks
- - Revolt in Aarhus 106g, 4g plundered
- - Viking civilization destroyed.
- - English suddenly acquire horseback riding, monarchy, mysticism from Great Library??
- - Hut 100g
- - Talk to english, demand tribute, War.
75 - Egypt unit dies attacking barbs, then barb dies attacking egypt
- - Phalanx, Warrior killed at London, city captured, 29g plundered, Construction
- - English talk, demand wheel. No. Cease fire? No.War.
- - Hut 50g
- - Oops, Sell Uppsala barracks
50 - Ibabango Diplomat
- - Intombe dye van
- - Hlobane put into disorder this turn so there will be enough food for celebration when caravan delivered
- - Ulundi Diplomat
- - Zimbabwe Dye
- - Sioux - exchange? No. peace? No. Give construction Share maps.
- - Chinese - demand philosophy, no. tribute no.- drop to cordial
- - land in china - Chinese talk again. Demand philo? No. Demand tribute again, just for kicks
25 - Egypt nearly completes pyramids
- - Bapedi Dip
- - Pop > 1,000,000
- - China: Tribute? No. Down to receptive.
- - Oh well, here goes our reputation…
- - Break treaty, kill phalanx, warrior in Beijing, capture city, 22g plundered, granary
- - China wants to talk again. Cease fire? No. War.
ad 1 - Thebes builds Pyramids (Chinese change to GW!)
- - English dip approaches London
- - Barb landing near Ulundi (on north peninsula of island)
- - Roman settler moves, blocks caravan
- - Romans develop Republic
- - Umfolozi Diplomat
- - Kill English diplomat
- - Use most of treasury to Incite revolt in York (244g) 47g plundered, 2 warriors and horse, Great Library
- - English talk. Cease fire? No. for 100g? Sure. Peace? No. Tribute? No.
- - Beijing granary sold

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

The war machine is rolling now. These next turns see the end of the Chinese and the English, plus the capture of the Roman mainland. By the end of these turns, troops are already moving from England toward the Sioux where the Capital has been captured and the general plan is in place for a quick attack against the Sioux. Again, the military force was preceded by caravan deliveries to the Sioux to finance their demise.


20 - Egypt develops Mathematics
- - Chinese capital moved to shanghai
- - Sioux develop code of laws
- - London Diplomat
- - Beijing Diplomat
- - Hlobane Dye to Veii 264g
- - Romans - exchange? Sure, we'll take republic for philosophy, Demand tribute - 50g. Surprise!
- - Nonetheless, it's time to break treaty. Kill Phalanx, Archer at Rome. Capture city, colossus, 46g plunder, Seafaring
- - Romans talk again. Demand 300g? No. War.
- - English: Peace? No. Leave Nottingham. Tribute? No.
- - Violate cease fire with England. Kill Archer in Nottingham, city razed
- - Kill warrior between Beijing and Shanghai
- - Talk to Rome again, just for fun. They demand 150g, War.
- - Chinese: cease fire? No. War.
- - Disband legion in Veii to rush Diplomat
- - Umfolozi requires Elvis at size 2 - all citizens starting red.
- - Hire Tax collectors in Zimbabwe to boost tax this turn.
40 - Barb archer kills our pikeman
- - Research -> Theology
- - Veii Diplomat
- - Revolt in Antium, 61g plundered
- - Kill Phalanx at Shanghai, ooh!! Flag dropped!
- - Shanghai captured, 25g plundered, granary
- - Revolt in Hastings for 108g, 6g plundered.
- - English talk: Cease fire? No.
- - Kill phalanx at Coventry.
- - Chinese want to talk: Cease fire? No. War.
- - Canton will cost 342g.
- - Bapedi is allowed to starve off one citizen to alleviate food issues
60 - romans in republic
- - Famine in Bapedi
- - Plalanx killed at Coventry, City razed
80 - Archer killed at Canterbury. City captured, 10g plundered
- - Kill warrior at Canton, GW abandoned. Canton captured 72g plundered.
- - Chinese civilization destroyed
100 - Barb dies attacking Ulundi
- - Kaupang Dye van
- - Barb leader killed 100g
- - Zimbabwe starting all reds – Double-unhappies coming soon.
- - Hut crusader - basically stranded on island for now
- - oops again…sell 2 chinese granaries.
120 - Zimbabwe beads
- - Zimbabwe and Intombe set to celebrate before deliveries
- - Isipezi founded
- - Amitikulu founded
- - Black hats starting in Aarhus, Antium, Ibabango, Kaupang, units moved and workers adjusted accordingly
140 - Ngome copper van
- - Intombe beads van
- - Ulundi Silk van
- - Intombe Dye to Little Bighorn (d-328)
- - English talk, demand Republic, no. War.
- - Warwick(last English city) located around where expected.
- - Phalanx killed at Warwick, city captured 6g plundered, city razed
- - English civilization destroyed.
160 - Umfolozi settler
- - Umtata settler
- - Tugela settler
- - Theology ->Medicine
- - land units in sioux land.
- - Zimbabwe dye to Wounded Knee (d-408)
- - Romans talk: demand construction, no. Cease fire? No.
- - Phalanx killed at Cumae, City captured, 8g plundered, city Razed
180 - Egypt starts Great Wall.
- - Sioux: leave little big horn…
- - Roman archer approaches Knights from south: Construction? No. Cease fire? No.
- - Mpondo dye van
- - Hastings diplomat
- - Hlobane Silver van
- - Bapedi Dye van
- - London Diplomat
- - Roman archer killed
- - Sioux: Demand republic, No. Leave Little Big horn, Tribute? War.
- - Phalanx killed at Little Big Horn. City captured, 43g plundered
- - Sioux talk : Republic? No. Cease fire? No.War.
- - Revolt in Slim Buttes for 222g, 58g plundered
- - Sioux talk again: same routine
- - Hut Nomads

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

This next section starts with the rapid elimination of the Sioux. Forces in Sioux lands and England are consolidated and begin the long trek toward Egypt. The home cities focus has for some time been redirected toward addressing the happiness issues caused by our rapidly expanding empire. The original forces, plus some built by newer cities closer to the front, should be sufficient to finish the job at hand. These turns see the creation of a Republic government, plus the completion of Michaelangelos' Chapel and J.S.Bach's Cathedral which together allow us to celebrate many cities even while numerous units are in the field. By the end of these turns, a rather lengthy ship chain is just a few turns away from the Egyptian shores.


200 - Sioux legions move toward our positions
- - Isandlwana beads van
- - Neapolis located. Phalanx killed. City captured, razed. 11g plundered.
- - Hut barbs
- - Revolt in Three Forks 280g, 78g plundered
- - Sioux talk - Demand chivalry, no. Cease fire? No. War.
- - Revolt in Wounded Knee 264g, 60g plundered
- - One of the Sioux legions is gone.
- - Units not near the remaining roman city - need to locate it
- - Talk to Rome. Cease Fire? Sure. Give construction, Theology, Mysticism, Polytheism, Share maps. Pompeii located far away - around where I expected, but good to know exactly where.
- - thinking maybe celebrating soon with troops still in the field, considered Bach ahead of Mike's. But at the last minute I change my mind and end up going with Mikes anyway as it's better for monarchy. Hope to finish both soon. I probably shouldn't have given Romans theology, not that it really matters..
220 - Egypt develops currency
- - Egypt abandons great wall :thumbup:
- - Barbs land near London
- - Barbs kill diplomat
- - Isandlwana builds Michaelangelo's Chapel
- - Veii settlers
- - Little Big Horn Diplomat
- - Rome Settlers
- - Crusaders kill Barb Legion outside York
- - Revolt in Cedar Creek 186g - 64g plundered,
- - Sioux talk - cease fire? No. War.
- - Revolt in Stony Lake 177g - 43g plundered
- - Sioux talk again: same routine
- - Kill legion at Killdeer, city captured, 9g plundered City Razed
- - Sioux civilization destroyed. 3 turns, 7 cities- only one city lost.
- - Zunguin founded
- - Naples founded
- - Dozens of Elvi fired due to Mikes
240 - Pop > 2,000,000
- - Issus Founded
260 - York copper van
- - Kaupang silk van
- - Zimbabwe Hides
280 - <crickets chirping>
300 - Egypt starts Great wall again
- - Ngome copper van
- - Slim Buttes Diplomat
- - Intombe Salt van
- - Canton Settlers
- - Wounded Knee diplomat
- - Ulundi Silk van
- - Egypt: Exchange? No. Demand literacy? No.Gift Literacy Worshipful - Share maps. No tribute
- - Hut - Mathematics
320 - Canterbury Settlers
- - Hastings diplomat
- - Antium Diplomat
340 - Mpondo Copper van
- - Hlobane Silver van
- - Shanghai Settlers
- - Rome Diplomat
360 - Three forks diplomat
- - Isandlwana Beads van
- - Bapedi Dye van
- - London copper van
- - Cunaxa founded
- - Hut advanced tribe Cremona
- - REVOLUTION
- - Tax 4/0/6
- - Adjust cities to avoid disorder during revolution - put every size 3+ city into celebration (with Elvis) to start republic growth sooner.
380 - Isandlwana builds J.S. Bach's cathedral
- - Republic government established
- - Dang. I guess celebrations don't happen in Anarchy. You'd think I'd know that by now.
- - 2/0/8 for republic celebrations
- - Not enough cities for black hats everywhere in republic. Need to plant settlers for more cities.
- - Caravan lands, Egypt wants to talk. Demand republic. No. end discussion
400 - Amatikulu builds settlers
- - Isipezi builds settlers
- - WLTCD in lots and lots of cities
- - York Settler.
- - Shanghai settlers
- - Cannae Founded,
- - Capua Founded
- - Turin founded