New First Look: Introducing Edward Teach (Tides of Power)

[UWHabs]

That's not a criteria that Civ7 has right now to include people as leaders in the game. We have lots of in-game leaders that never ruled a nation per se, but are still included in the game, which is something that's positive, in some cases, and would allow for Henry Morgan or Drake to have been included in the game.

Also, at least Drake and Morgan acted on behalf of a recognised government at the time. Morgan was the colonial governor of Jamaica and Drake was an MP of England. Meanwhile, the Pirate Republic was never a recognised government.

Yeah, people don't need to have led anything to be included. Any of them could have worked, but Blackbeard feels like a stronger character. Also for some reason he seems more timeless, too, and so I think fits better in the civ 7 leader ecosystem.

 

[marinesciencedude]

I suppose 'you tell me' between which of the West Country-born pirates/privateers of Sir Francis Drake, Henry Every, Edward Teach would've been historically closest in accent to the oft-cited West Country origin for the modern conception of Speak-like-a-Pirate
(Henry Morgan is of Wales)

My personal experience has only ever included encounters with Bristolians so Edward Teach would inevitably be what I'd be biased in thinking for 'accent makes sense' but I feel obliged to feel Standard Southern British can't have been that dominant over recent generations born elsewhere in the West Country

 

[Gorbles]

I'm not sure who is more popular, I've learned about Morgan and Drake before Blackbeard, actually. But I think the biggest thing here is that it's much easier to make Blackbeard cool as a character. And with leaders having so much focus, it's probably more important.

I actually learned about Bluebeard before Blackbeard. And Bluebeard isn't even a pirate, but young me got the names crossed more than once!

That said, I am happy we got Blackbeard and not Drake. Drake is a solid couple of centuries too early, plus is seen as a hero to the British (even if he was, essentially, a licensed pirate).

Hey, maybe if we do get Exploration Era England to pacify some folks, that'd fit better.

 

[Kwami]

That's not a criteria that Civ7 has right now to include people as leaders in the game. We have lots of in-game leaders that never ruled a nation per se, but are still included in the game, which is something that's positive, in some cases, and would allow for Henry Morgan or Drake to have been included in the game.

I only brought up leadership because so many posters here are already insisting that nothing related to pirates is legitimate. Otherwise, I wouldn't much care which pirate we got, provided the developers did a good job with the artwork, voice over, and ability set.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I only brought up leadership because so many posters here are already insisting that nothing related to pirates is legitimate. Otherwise, I wouldn't much care which pirate we got, provided the developers did a good job with the artwork, voice over, and ability set.

I myself am still iffy on the implementation of the pirates, as far as the civ goes. But I'm totally on board with Edward Teach as a leader, pun intended.

 

[Jkchart]

Gran Colombia is a historiographical name created by historians to refer to the period when Colombia was huge, similar to terms such as "Napoleonic France" or "Byzantine Empire". The nation as a political entity never ceased to exist. The oficial name of "Gran Colombia" was just the Republic of Colombia, which still exists to this day and still has laws in force dating to the "Gran Colombia" period.

Simón Bolívar was the first president of a country that still exists today 206 years later and which has lots of other interesting leader options (such as Policarpa Salavarrieta, Santander, Antonio Nariño, etc.) other than just Simón Bolívar.

Oh yes I know. Very well aware. But my comment is a reference to how the game even describes Gran Colombia as representative of well, that period only. It has such a tiny civilopedia entry because of that.

 

[MrRadar]

It's already page 4 of this thread and not a mention of the obvious rhyme..., I can't control myself any longer, sorry...

Tides of Power DLC release developer stream: Rumble in the Island Jungle: Beach as Teach vs Carlbarian of the Bulgarians

Or something like that. Feel free to rhyme better than me. But do let us try and make it fly!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Tides of Power DLC release developer stream: Rumble in the Island Jungle: Beach as Teach vs Carlbarian of the Bulgarians

The realization that I just had, which is Edward Teach is so close to Ed Beach right now, is insane. Now we know the real reason he and the pirates got in.

 

[Patine]

Oh yes I know. Very well aware. But my comment is a reference to how the game even describes Gran Colombia as representative of well, that period only. It has such a tiny civilopedia entry because of that.

Though, to be fair (and pedantic), much of that material is repeated or paraphrased, and expanded in certain areas, in the History of Colombia, History of Venezuela, History of Ecuador, and History of Panama articles.

 

[Patine]

The realization that I just had, which is Edward Teach is so close to Ed Beach right now, is insane. Now we know the real reason he and the pirates got in.

Though, as a programmer and developer for big computer IP's, he's not likely to be a major supporter of the Pirate Party USA.

 

[untitledjuan]

Though, to be fair (and pedantic), much of that material is repeated or paraphrased, and expanded in certain areas, in the History of Colombia, History of Venezuela, History of Ecuador, and History of Panama articles.

You're right, the period between 1810 and 1835 in what was "Gran Colombia" was so complex to fill lots and lots of books (there are, in fact, lots of research on that period), so its a shame that their Civilopedia entry isn't at least as long as the others.

Anyway, let's hope the same doesn't happen to the Pirate civ and they get a proper Civilopedia entry and people actually learn something beyond pop culture pirates, I guess.

 

[Navelgazer]

If we were going to have a Pirate leader, I would have pitched Grace O'Malley or Cheng I Sao over Blackbeard, but I'm still going to gleefully get into this one.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If we were going to have a Pirate leader, I would have pitched Grace O'Malley or Cheng I Sao over Blackbeard, but I'm still going to gleefully get into this one.

Well at least we are getting Sayyida al-Hurra as well later.

 

[Jkchart]

Though, to be fair (and pedantic), much of that material is repeated or paraphrased, and expanded in certain areas, in the History of Colombia, History of Venezuela, History of Ecuador, and History of Panama articles.

Fair!