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GOTM 58 Final Spoiler



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[civ3mac] OPEN DIVISION :D

After securing the starting landmass from the Mongols and Egyptians, it didn't take me long to realize that my warring allowed the Americans to gain a substantial tech lead. And, it caused me a great deal of worry, in regards to possibly losing by spacerace. They would keep the tech lead throughout the game.

I can't recall the date of my last spoiler, which woefully lacked detail. This one may not be much better. But,... .

I destroyed the Aztecs in 940 AD and the Babylonians in 1080 AD. The Babs survived longer than they should had, because of a galley they had at sea that was carrying a settler. He plopped down on one of my island possessions where roughly 4 - 5 Bab units magically appeared. I disbanded a weakly garrisoned city to prevent Ham from gaining another city. It took me about a half dozen turns to land forces to rid the map of the Babylonians.

In 1290 AD, after loading 6 Galleons w/ cavalry and outdated immortals and positioning them just off the coast of the larger island landmass north of America's continent, I declared war on America. This was our second war. Lincoln had declared war on me in 1060 AD - little occurred in that one. However, this time I quickly subdued 7 American cities. Peace followed but America would yield little.

Lincoln was sitting pretty on his continent with a huge tech lead over me. He had not yet expanded his borders to encompass all the land he captured from running off the Babylonians and Aztecans. So, I laid a settlement down where I could, to create a beach-head for a future war.

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I entered the IA in 1375 AD, very late. However, I had given up on securing a tech advantage and kept producing cavalry for the inevitable war with Lincoln.

In 1585 AD, I declared war on America. I had 64 cavalry on Lincoln's continent, but I wish I had had another 32. If so, I probably could've broke him. But, as it was, attacking size 12+ cities defended by infantry was no easy task. In the end, I signed a peace deal in 1615 AD after razing 4 American cities, which I replaced w/ Persian settlers. I had no culture to speak of.

I now had a nice foothold on Lincoln's home continent. But, I needed to amass more troops and try to take Lincoln before he reach mechanized infantry. I wouldn't be so lucky. America had reached fission and built the UN and Manhattan Project. I just reached Motorized Production. I had just sent over a load of tanks and was a few turns away from declaring war on Lincoln, when he DoW'ed me instead in 1874 AD. I wasn't ready. My stock of cavalry was whittled down some, but I held fast. Lincoln ended up nuking me 3 times. WW ravaged me. I finally put my sliders at 5 - 0 - 5 which allowed me to keep production flowing at a steady rate.

In 1880 AD, I finally generated my first GL, a second would follow some turns later. These tank armies helped immensely.

After losing one city, my artillery and tanks were able to decimate Lincoln's invasion force. I captured one of his cities and razed two others - where many cavalry died while attacking size 15+ cities defended by mech infantry. My artillery helped. (I hate PTW's artillery btw.) I built two more settlements - rushing libraries - in the vicinity of America's razed cities. Finally, Lincoln would talk with me around the mid-1890s. We signed a peace deal soon after. And, in 1904 AD, the Domination victory was triggered. :)

Firaxis Score - 4731
Jason Score - 5932

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Well, I played to 1957 AD, I did manage to beat the Arabs back to some islands but I spent the rest of the game with the Damocles sword of the Egyptian military hanging over me. When the invasion came in 1844 it was swift and without mercy.
For the second game in a row I was left on a small island (the one in the middle in the south) which I had previously robbed off the Aztecs while they were weakened from an American onslaught.

Of course I should have just given up at this point as I would have ended up with a better score, but it just feels wrong to me.
Eventually the Egyptians came after me again and finished me off.

The game finished up with the Egyptians controlling their continent, the Americans controlling theirs, and no other civs to be seen.
Firaxis score: 901
Jason score: 835

I would go into more detail, but
A) I doubt anyone cares about my sorry excuse for a game.
B) I don't really keep notes during the game.
 
@Dojoboy: You're probably the only one playing against the Mongols, as well :confused: :p

I did manage to play this game, but it all went by in a bit of a haze. Key points were:

- Predator PtW on my new Mac
- Domination victory in 740 AD
- Firaxis: 8440, Jason: 10892

I settled in place, built an RCP 4 partial ring, and other towns wherever seemed appropriate. I started on pottery, and researched and traded flat out through monarchy, chivalry, military tradition.

I started on the Arabs in 690 BC, when they gave me an opportunity to boot them out. Not the best timing in the world, as I was two turns into a 4-turn anarchy revolting to Monarchy at the time, and the first action against them was an Immortal victory, triggering my Golden Age. However, the resulting production boost gave me the required resources to go after them and Egypt, and to eliminate them from the home continent in 50 BC. By 70 AD they were both history.

Our first suicide galley had crossed the narrow straits east of the continent and found the other civs, and we worked out that the Great Lighthouse would give us a unilateral ticket to the rest of the world until Astronomy, so we completed it in 450 BC. In 130 BC, while mopping up the remnants of Egypt, we started on the Aztecs.

In 250 AD Babylon declared war. They proved to be a tough nut. and our knights and immortals were hard pressed to cope with a combination of large cities, the Great Wall, muskets, and frequent cuture flips. Having continued research at maximum rate, I was finally able to destroy them with a cavalry charge in 620 AD. The Aztecs were still clinging to existence in the northern archipelago, and now it was America's turn on the rack.

650 AD saw the first American cities captured, and our cavalry evicted them from their home continent three turns later. We pursued them and the Aztecs on the northern islands, and rushed settlers and libraries to reach domination.

Lessons:

- Micro-management seemed too much of a chore for me this time around, I could probably have managed the early growth phase far better. I had 11 towns at 1000 BC.

- I didn't really plan the military campaigns, or the logistics of getting troops from one front to the next, and tried to take down Babylon with a dribble of troops rather than building an overwhelming force to wipe them out in one hit.

- I should have started rushing settlers and libraries a little earlier to get to domination limit a few turns faster.

- I probably spent unnecessary shields on wonders - Hanging Gardens and Sun Tzu may have saved a bit of gpt, but I'm not sure they paid for themselves. They did at least deprive Hammie of yet more strength, however.

A fun game, CivSteve. Well done :)
 
dojoboy said:
Mongols...Arabs, eh.
You made me look twice to make sure I hadn't accidentally stumbled into the wrong spoiler. :p

@AlanH: Nicely played, you skunked me good. :thumbsup:

@Orry: Better luck next time. Second post? Welcome to CFC! :thumbsup:
 
GOTM58 Spoiler - Open class

I just finished my fastest victory ever. I settled to the NE and then claimed the cows by the lake, the ivory and the incenses with my first 3 settlers. I built on a RCP3/6 planning on a future palace jump.

I met Arabia in 3500BC and traded Masonry for Pottery, CB and 35 gold. Met Egypt in 2950BC. Shortly thereafter I bought WC from them for Pottery and 9 gold. I built warrior, warrior, settler then granary (2670BC). Capital now a 4turn settler factory.

Learned IW in 2350BC, then in 2270BC I trade it to Arabia for Myst and 25 gold and sell it to Egypt for 85gold. Alpha learned in 1870BC. Trade to Arabia for Wheel in 1830BC. Learn Writing in 1575BC and trade to Arabia for HBR and 74 gold. I traded and sold freely to start because I had almost no military. But the HBR trade was one of my lasts until later in the game.

At this point I start building an army. By 1000BC I have 13 cities, pop of 40, 13 warriors, 5 workers, 1 settler and 1 galley. I plan on doing a warrior upgrade to immortals later. I complete the Great Lighthouse in 470BC after having spied land to the east (galley sank before crossing).

By 690BC I’m up to 15 cities and I have upgraded 8 warriors to immortals, I have 10 more warriors waiting. But with 8 immortals and being Strong to Arabia it’s time for war. So I issue my DOW. My GA starts in 670BC (I’m still in Despot). The rest of the game is straight warfare. As I’m nearing the end of the Arabian campaign I start on Egypt. I hit the 50 city mark in 50BC and have already found the other continent, have complete contact and full map of the known world. Once I discovered the location of the other civs and seeing their empires I decide to shut down research and I continue with connecting and disconnection the iron so that I can continue to upgrade warriors to immortals.

In 230BC I jump my palace to the former Aztec capital. Jump was made solely to offset cultural pressure. My corruption increases in my old core and I’m actually earning less shields per turn in my top 12 cities. I’ve settled the small island between the 2 continents and continue to capture more Aztec and Babylonian cities.

In 130AD I make a false peace with Babylon solely for the purpose of gaining Literature. I need the cheap libraries for cultural expansion. I’m up to 59 cities and have eliminated the Aztecs. I own 540 tiles and need 337 more for victory (based on the map at that time). I start a fast library building campaign and since I am still in Despot government I poprush most of them. I also start disbanding immortals to aid in poprushing the libraries and I have stopped all immortal production in favor of settlers. I push on to achieve Domination in 300AD.

I could have gotten a conquest victory earlier but I had already targeted domination. I actually waited for some AI cities to grow to size 2 to avoid autorazing them. I also should have started my warring earlier and I was late in switching into culture mode for expansion. But I enjoyed the game. I never changed governments and never left the Ancient Age.
 
Well, I finished this over the holiday, and didn't get a chance to post until now so the details have gone hazy.

I had no trouble tying up my contient but lost about 50% suiciding across the straights. took the small Island from the aztecs and was ready to roll them up when america declared on me. made peace with the aztecs and babs and got them to declare on america. Babs made peace after a bit but the aztecs kept after them allowing me to take them down. after america I rolled up the Babs, but kept fliping cities back to the aztecs mad: with USA and BABaloynia down it remained to fill in gaps for a domination win.

Game status: Domination Victory for Persia
Game date: 1470 AD
Firaxis score: 5421
Jason score: 8222
Time played: 33:21:45
 
GOTM58 Spoiler - Open class

I just finished my fastest victory on Emperor.

I settled on the spot and then claimed Ivory and then the cows by the lake with my first 2 settlers. I built on a RCP4 planning. I did not anticipate that game would be so short. My expectation was that it would be like GOTM 51, where we were isolated without any strategic resources. Pre-plan was to
1) Build Lighthouse,
2) Get Literature ASAP,
3) Connect Iron late (if any),
4) Avoid despotic Golden Age.
“Dreams come true”, but for this type of the map and “pre-setting of AIs” it was not an optimal decision. I have no idea, what Civ_Steve did, but AIs played terribly bad in this game. They all have decent land, but keep city sizes about 2-3, and did not build culture. Very strange for Emperor level. Impression was that they poprush units as City permits to have “strong military”. It did not helped at all.
Back to story. Research was Literature-> Republic. Sure, I trade the rest of tech BTW.
At 1050 BC Galley cross channel at East Point and I met Aztecs. Trade other contacts and WM immediately. Babylonians were strongest there, they built Pyramids shortly after.
At 1000 BC it was 5 libs and five turns to Republic.
Lighthouse was constructed at 950 BC. War with Arabs starts at 900 BC and horses took Mecca and Medina easily. Republic revolt with 6 (5) turns Anarchy took place at 875 BC. In 750 BC Golden age counted.
Egyptians declare at 775BC Obviosly they had no chance at long ran, but it took time to build a fleet and trasfer army there.
MA come at 670 BC after research of Currency and trading Poly and Construction.
To softer landing in America MA with Babs started at 670 BC.
13 turns later Chivalry come. Egyptians were with one City and Arabs with 2 (one flipped to me without War. America fell without problems as well Babs and Atztecs in 30 BC. Result is:
Entry class:,Open
Game status:,Conquest Victory for Persia
Game date:,10 BC
Firaxis score:,11204
Jason score:,12190
Time played:,Not available
Submitted save:,I_Larkin of the Persians, 10 BC.SAV
 
Well my first GOTM submission, and it's a Space Race victory in 1850. Had been going for 20k and would have got that 9 turns later - had every intention of doing so but it's obviously been so long since I got a SR victory that I thought I'd have to wait the 20 turns or so until the damn thing arrived like in Civ 2. So I just launched it for the hell of it... oh well, dunno if that would have cost me points.

I was going for a peaceful builder route until the Arabs attacked me in the late AA. Just playing catch-up on my Immortals I slaughtered them, and with the ease of that victory in mind and the military guy saying I was strong against Egypt I took the continent. Seemed like a good idea, probably should have been playing for that...

Only 1 leader from wiping out 2 civs. And Heroic Epic for a lot of that time. I hate the RNG... it hates me.

It was open, BTW. Missed UN by 1 turn in 1752 which would have miffed me greatly had I been playing the Predator Diplomatic challenge with you. I will be taking the forum on in whatever Predator challege you care to post next time.:p
 
I've just submitted my game. It was my first and I really enjoyed it.:)

I made a mistake last night. I won the game and then quit. Today I found out that I had to submit the next turn ( I never fully read what I have to do when I'm doing somenthing new:p ).
So I had to reload the autosave of the last turn and replay it. It didn't go in the same way (a town passed to the americans :mad: ), but I won anyway.
I clicked let me play and then I saved and submitted.

Next time I'll do better.:)
 
ptw open

just finished the game last night. achieved 100K around early 1600AD.
Egypt and Arab didn't pose any threat at all. i just felt that they didn't build enough cities for me. my home continent was then gradually filled with about 100 cities.
i stayed in republic after a 7-turn revolt. used the moneyh to rush library/universities all the time. didn't really want to switch to communism to whip to do that. toward the end of the game, i thought maybe two more luxuries (gem and wine) will help. so i started the invasion of the other continent.

america has been in a war against both aztec and Babylon as a result of my diplomacy ever after i discovered the 2nd continent. i'm very glad to see that they're in a stalemate. AI's are appalingly inefficient in capturing cities. america even revolted to monarch during the long war. my troop's landing on american continent soon tilted the balance to the aztec/Babylon coalition army. but i was aleady at the domination limit then. so after getting one city on gem and one on wine, i signed peace treaty.

during the entire time, my curlture has been growing.. and then i won.
 
DJMGator13 said:
I never changed governments and never left the Ancient Age.
My story too. Never got a leader or an FP either.

You clearly went for the harder victory. Conquest is much easier than domination on this map.
 
Entry class: Open
Game status: Domination Victory for Persia
Game date: 900 AD
Firaxis score: 7523
Jason score: 10193
Time played: 11:45:47

After getting Republic, I plowed trhough everyone on the starting continent with immortals plus the aztecs, then started killing Babylon where i got a leader to rush the FP in Babylon (which had Pyramids and Copernicus), which then led to war against America until I hit the domination limit. I'm very pleased with some of my recent results, with this being the first time i've ever broken the 10k Jason.
 
Predator

Thought about doing another science game; diplo or space. Founded Persepolis on the spot and went for republic and immortals.

All went well, but we drew a rather bad anarchy of 7 turns in which also the trouble began. Although we rated strong, some Arabian warriors and a spear entered our territory in 1100BC. The war starts after the boot order and of course so does our golden age. Unfortunately we still have some 3 turns of anarchy (of the 7) to go. Great leader Darius comes in 710BC and builds the Pyramids in Susa in 710BC. In 710BC also the next and final great leader Cyrus comes. He will eventually build the palace in Thebes in 310BC. In 610BC the Arabs are destroyed.

Hand built the Forbidden Palace in Arbela (630BC). Arbela would also become my research centre: Colossus (850BC), Copernicus (150AD), Newton (360AD) and SETI (1250AD). Arbela was also home of the Great Library (620AD) and the Internet (1000AD).

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The Egyptian wars start around 400BC (Thebes captured in 370BC) and end with the capture of Giza in 280AD.

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That leaves 4 civs, which is not a convenient number for diplo. The civs on the other continent are very backwards, about an era behind. And the Aztecs are very weak. The war starts at 310AD and in 520 the Aztecs are gone.

Now it’s all about research. In the 10th century I calculate the diplo date at 980AD. With the challenge on I estimate it will be too slow. So I push on and get a space date of 1315.

Big thanks to the staff as it was a very enjoyable and relaxing game.
 
PTW Open,
550ad conquest victory
Firaxis 9033
Jason 11258
Time 14hrs 44

It is so long since I have played as the Persians that I had an Immortal fixation. I built nothing but immortals the whole game, which is not the fastest way to conquer the world. In fact I finished the game with about 80 of them.

As I knew I would be in constant war I took Monarchy as my government and had my GA while in Despotism. If I go for a conquest victory again I will try Republic and horses to see if there is an improvement in finish date.

Also waiting for the G Lighthouse to be completed slowed me down quite a bit.

All in all an enjoyable game.
 
Redbad said:
Hand built the Forbidden Palace in Arbela (630BC). Arbela would also become my research centre: Colossus (850BC), Copernicus (150AD), Newton (360AD) and SETI (1250AD). Arbela was also home of the Great Library (620AD) and the Internet (1000AD).
why did u build the great library?:hammers:
 
just to tease the ai ;) , as they could still have a little use for it
 
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