GOTM59 Final Spoiler

[leif erikson]

GOTM59 Final Spoiler

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[kcd_swede]

I played this one shortly after a long drawn out late-game warfare game... which was a mistake. I was still suffering from war weariness, I guess.

Anyhow, after snagging Confucianism... I decided I could get several religions and go for a totally peaceful culture victory. If that's what I decided on from the start, I would have done much better taking care to get some of the early religions founded or spread to me. But oh well, I ended up 9 cities on the home continent, founded Confu, Taoism, and Islam... spread to all cities, built temples and cathedrals of each religion in the three Legendary cities. Took Nationalism with Liberalism and built the Taj and Hermitage in capitol.
My GP farm was subpar... two seafood but could not irrigate the green tiles so only got to size 12 and made 5 GA's (plus the Music freebie), settled the first two and bombed the rest. Synchronicity was fine, but I definitely did not optimize the legend cities, only producing about 700 culture per turn at the end. Also the slow decision t ogo for culture meant that my first four GP's were scientists (academies in each legend, and settled one for the culture from Sistines). Got another one later which I should have saved for use with that GPro I got late too on a golden age, but did not anticipate that low odds GPro event so settled it. Settled the GPro as well.

Basically... the finish was about as one would expect if you switch to a culture VC late. 1850 or so. But I did stay at peace the whole game, so at least I accomplished something that I wanted to accomplish. Funny thing is, though, I have this nagging feeling that if I took my huge tech lead after Liberalism and used it to build the UN, I'd have gotten a decent finish date for that VC. Up until heading for Islam, I hadn't really focused on anything except getting fast tech rate. As I played it, I am rather disappointed with the date. But at least I free up more time for the SGOTM. Building lots of wonders was fun, too.

 

[Warden USA]

My first Victory on Prince,
My first Diplo Victory.

I just started playing Civ4 again after a long break and after getting smashed in the harder Gotm's I played won a noble game and thought i could handle that. When I saw this was Prince with Greece I really thought I would have a chance to get my first ever Gotm win. I started up 2 greece games and was trounced by Japan one game and was really behind in tech my second game when I quit. So Going into GOTM my plan was to be the most agressive I have ever been to my first Neighbor and to build lots of cott's because my economy usually was really behind in my practice games.

I moved my scout NW I think and didn't see anything so I built in place which ended up working pretty well.
So, planning on playing agressivly and I find out that I'm all by myself on this continent. I did get Stonehenge built which surprised me but helped. Hmm, not really good at sea games since I usually play Pangea so this should be interesting. At about 500-700 AD I had most of the contintent built up with 6-7 cities and had met all my neighbors to the west. I was about even with them on the score chart way low on the power graph and ahead of them Tech wise, but not by much. I thought I could try to be peaceful and win a Space victory or a Culture Victory. I had never tried culture before and started to look up how to do it and after screwing around for a while I decided that I need to try culture from the start and that it just wasn't worth going for it. So since I {thought} I had a tech lead to space I go.
Also of note is that since I was isolated I started Christianity and Islam while everyone else was Jewish. I gave away techs so they wouldn't attack me until I got Free Religion. Saladin and the French were never happy with me though, and I think they both declared a couple of times but didn't send anything until the modern ERA when Saladin tricked me and I forgot to upgrade my Longbowman to infantry and lost my southern city near the Crabs and Fish for 1 turn before taking it back.

I never attacked onto the mainland but when I got Caravaels I was first around the globe and met the americans and Asoka. Asoka was ahead of me on points but behind on Tech so I played nice with both of them and Declared war on Saladin and Nap a couple of times with allies to try to keep them behind me on tech.

Unfortunitly England got ahead of me on tech and almost everyone else passed me up at some point. My slider was around 70-90 the whole time, but i think with only 6-7 cities I just couldn't keep up even though I was wonder building like crazy. So, as I was starting to lose the space race I thought, "Hmm, I could go for a Diplo win, all the big people like me so that should work." Once I built the UN Asoka was against me, and with the French and Arabs abstaining I was about 50 points short
The next turn England asked me to help her with the bothersome French and I had a plan to get the french to vote for me. I would kill them until they joined. I turned off my tech to get cash and started building Tanks like crazy and transported them down. I rushed two Battleships to Bombard the cites and by the time I took over all of France I just had enough votes to win. I almost lost Orleans to Engand, but I think that would be ok since the votes still would of gone to me. If I didn't have the votes after France I was ready to attack Saladin but I won!!!

So, this was a pretty sloppy game for me because I wasn't use to being by myself but I'll take my first Prince win anyway I can get it. I had nukes just in case England was about done, but not really sure if they would of worked. Can you nuke away the spaceship?

Thanks for a GREAT Gotm and I can't wait for the next one!

 

[MarleysGh0st]

More by default than planning, I went for a military victory. Even so, I never got around to my first war, with Saladin, until 1210 AD. (And to think that I had finished GOTM 58 before then!) In the meantime, I had added the Colossus to my wonders and had missed getting the Great Library by one turn. And Athens was up to four Great Prophets working as super specialists. That was producing enough income to let me keep science at 100% for a long, long time.

With a little help from Mansa Musa, I had Saladin destroyed in 1480. Since Louis had entered the war against me, he was our next target and eliminated by 1610. Elizabeth had joined in the dog pile, but that didn't spare her from being target #3.

My war weariness mounted up, so I gave Elizabeth a cease fire in 1765, when she had two cities left, including one isolated at the far end of M.M.'s land. I never got around to resuming the war against her.

My final war was against Asoka, which ended in his destruction in 1860. A few more turns for my conquered cities to expand their cultural borders gave me a Domination Victory in 1866, with 39,589 points. I might have gotten that a couple turns faster, if I hadn't remembered, too late, to send a pair of unused Great Artists to culture-bomb those last cities. As it was, they were still enroute when victory was achieved.

 

[WelshGandalf]

Well this game showed me I am getting beter at warfare but still have some way to go!

Following on from my 1AD post.... I declared on Saladin around 200AD. The war was fairly slow but pretty one-sided, my elephants were great. In the meantime I built the Colossus - around 600AD I think, amazed no-one built it earlier. I then got the great library & national epic in my capital, a combination of which spat out 6 great scientists before too long. With them I built one academy, kicked off great age and settled 4, between them these 4 were producing 4 *((6+3) * 3.25) = 117 beakers a turn (with Oxford uni, representation, library, uni & labratory) which was very nice.... I didn't change of of bureaucracy to free speech for ages, even when I had about 18 cities I calculated to do so would mean a drop in science, my capital was still producing over 50% of my total science...

Saladin was gone around 1100AD. I was best buddies with the Malians and English (all 3 of us were Hindus) so didn't really want to attack them. Spent some time building up my econ & ramping up research. Then I found the peaceful Indians on their own continent, who were a bit backwards also due to not meeting other civs... excellent! I went at them with Cavalry, catapults, macemen and also some grenadiers (I didn't get rifling until after assembly line). Again I think it could've been faster but they were all gone around 1680AD, which also was the time the French were wiped out by the Malians and English. I had a few CR3 infantry after it which was nice too. So it was just the three of us plus the Americans left. I decided I would devote the Indian content to commerce - ie they would not be required to produce units for the war effort.

I was at about 46% of land and population at this point - I thought wiping out the English would take me over the line. So I wiped them out but unfortunately I was only at about 58% The choice was then to attack the Malians on land or the Americans by sea. I chose the Americans as they were technologically inferior so it would be an easier war. I had been building a backup fleet for just this purpose so with jet fighters, stealth bombers, battleships and modern armour/marines, I took their whole homeland in about 8 turns I think. Then it was just a matter of waiting for them to come out of anarchy for the cultural borders to expand, and a domination victory was reached in 1954AD. For me, this was a good time though not compared to you guys. I mean I started my warring well before MarleysGh0st but finished 88 turns later!

Game ended with the Malians controlling half of the big continent, the Americans having one isolated city on an island and me having everything else

 

[Darth Fred]

Lost.

I was going for a cultural victory and was about a dozen turns away from winning when Asoka finished the spaceship. I lost track of who had built what (Washington and Elizabeth were cranking out parts too) but it didn't really bother because of my... well... enormous freakin' miscalculation! You see, it didn't bother me because I was thinking "After whoever finish it first, they have to launch it and I'll still have 15-20 turns. No problem."

Yeah Fred... wrong game...


I'm debating submitting the score or not.
F

 

[leif erikson]

I'm debating submitting the score or not.
F

You played it, you might as well submit it?

You get points for a loss, you get nothing for not submitting.

 

[Darth Fred]

You played it, you might as well submit it?

You get points for a loss, you get nothing for not submitting.

I guess I COULD see if I came in dead last or not...

F

 

[lymond]

1800AD UN

Fairly easy Diplo win, but not pleased about the date. I struggle with speeding up research on lower levels and on vanilla.

Slowly expanded on the continent while building the usual early wonders like Oracle and GLH. Barbs were never really an issue as I spawnbusted effectively. Encountered very few of them except for barb galleys coming up from that island in the south. Met AIs via either their ships or the galley I sent out exploring. Met Asoka later with a Caravel.

Interestingly, everyone but Washington and, of course, Asoka were Hindu. I switch to Hinduism and spread it for OR. This kept me on good terms with Mansa, Sal, Liz and Louie for a long time. I built off those for tech trades and resources. No wars were every fought in this game. I never even opened up HE to build. I did build quite a few wonders and was surprised how many were left for me to finish like Sistine and HS which I normally don't build. I built wonders mainly in Athens since it was my NE city - really just the best food there but was still an effective bureau cap and OX city.

My settling pattern was Sparta in the SE for production and Corinth near the double gold for commerce (eventual Wall Street plus Tao Holy City). Sparta was my Conf Holy city and I built 2 shrines but spread Tao more aggressively for gold since Corinth got WS. I probably shoulda built Mids for earlier Rep, but ignored it. I did build Parth though and produced a lot of great people - mainly GSs with a few GAs for GAs and the GPs for shrines. I used 1 GS to bulb Philo and 1 to part bulb Edu and then settled quite a few in Athens for the OX city. Mansa and Liz actually pressed pretty hard early on tech and stayed reasonable close but most AIs were well behind me.

I basically then filled out that land. Decent cities on the coast but some fairly bad ones too. Lumbermills seem much more effective on vanilla or rather necessary. I eventually settled the crap island to the south just so AIs would stop sending settlers through my borders. I close borders with Liz, Sal and Mansa at certain points as they were try to send settlers through - then opened borders soon after once I got my settlers out. I think I had 11 or 12 cities overall. My last city was the fish city just NW of Athens after Bio. Actually would have been a decent city at that point but really did not come into play at this stage with UN not far off.

For some time, I was not sure what VC to go for but do to the religion spread I eventually just decided to go Diplo to make it easy. I wish I made this decision earlier and didn't screw around with various techs as opposed to bee-lining MM. More focus and a GE would have shaved quite a few years off the win date.

Everyone but the Asoka (UN Challenger) and Washington (abstained) voted for me. I won vote by like 60 votes over the benchmark.

I really need to make VC decision earlier in the game and stick with it. Interestingly Diplo wins often come by accident or as an adjunct of diplomation. This one was a bit more focused but not focused enough.

 

[Holy Cheese]

2008 Diplo Victory

Went into this expecting to lose as I normally do at this level, so didn't really have a plan.

Soon found I was alone on the island and started to settle the land. Went exploring with galleys but sent both westwards and didn't discover Asoka and Washington till fairly late on. Saladin, Elizabeth, louis and myself were all Hindu for quite a while so the neighbourhood was peaceful.

After finding Asoka, and seeing as I was holding my own in the tech race at this point, I decided to take Asoka out and conquer his landmass. The whole war lasted a couple of hundred years but I got him eventually.

Now my thoughts turned to the actual possibility of a victory. I didn't have too much of a tech lead so I thought culture would be an option. I had access to about 5 religions and so started down the path of culture. Somewhere along the way I realised that this was going too slowly and I was missing out on too many wonders, so I changed plan to go for a space victory. I was doing really well here when at some point somebody built the UN and I got voted in. I kept making a few resolutions while building all my spaceship parts. I did make a couple of attempts at a diplomatic victory, but there were always a couple of abstentions which blocked me. By now I was well ahead in the space race so just kept building parts.

I had about 3 turns left on the last spaceship part when a vote came up for a diplo victory and I was amazed to find that I won it - I hadn't done anything to increase my popularity with the abstainers, nevertheless Saladin swung over to my side and I won it.

Lousy date compared to others but I'll always take a win at a higher level than my norm

Jack

 

[cabert]

hey guys, why so many diplo wins when I go for diplo?
I'll be back to domination next time, at least it scores better
1888 AD diplo for 23k

I killed saladin and louis to have a few cities and to score some mutual struggle points, then finished the UN and won on the first election, being in free religion and free market helped a lot with Mansa and lizzie

Easy game, although I didn't play it well.

 

[srad]

Space in 1850AD

Settled in place and scouted the land. After discovering the isolation and the barren land I decided to use a coastal economy. This means settling coastal cities and using water tiles powered by GLH and Colossus.
And as discovering Gold to the west give the CS slingshot a try. Good plan but...

Got the CS slingshot but missed the most important wonder, the GLH . I was just to sure to get it. I guess the GLH is more important than the CS slingshot so I should gave it a higher priority.

Than I started to conquer the western continent with elephants / cats / maces - slowly. Too late I remembered that in Vanilla Cavalry is available without Rifling.
Finally Saladin and Liz and Louis were gone and Mansa down to a few cities. War weariness stroke hard!

So Greece took off in 1850AD leaving 'crap' island

 

[Fluroscent]

Space 1848AD
Scout went N-NE to see if there would be more seafood, no such luck so I moved inland on to the PH and decided it was better for long term purposes.
Never cared too much for clam/crab in the capital anyway.
Sparta with 2xgold and cows. CS sling almost mandatory in vanilla with no math requirement then. Poor land quality. Made room for seven cities on the island.
Didn't take GLH since my first two cities were inland. Got GLib quickly instead.
Tried to balance conquest and Oxford. Took out Saladin and part of Elizabeth with phants/cats. Then finished her and took France with grenadiers/cannons and finally infantry. Gifted a couple of border cities that were swamped in Malinese culture and ended with a solid 25 city empire.
Gifted and traded a bunch with Mansa. Biggest tech traded for was artillery.
I guess the date is ok for a geography like this, although a land bridge to India and grabbing those lands early instead would be much better considering their superior quality.

 

[srad]

Space 1848AD

Aaaarghhh .... one turn

 

[Mitchum]

Aaaarghhh .... one turn

Space: 1832 AD...

I didn't write a spoiler and I played this game some time ago. I can try to recall exactly what I did. Sorry about that.

IIRC, I was trying for the CS sling, GLH, GLib and Pyramids. I missed the CS sling, which is big no-no in Vanilla, but I got the other 3. Another thing that I recall is that when I took out Saladin late in the game, he had build an academy in 6 of the 7 cities I captured (or something close to that). I captured them late in the game, so they didn't help me as much as they could have since I had to whip away many of the cottage working citizens due to unhappiness -> starvation.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I took out Asoka before taking out Liz and Saladin.

 

[Fluroscent]

EDIT: Oh yeah, I took out Asoka before taking out Liz and Saladin.

Yeah, that was the right move for sure. Well done.

 

[srad]

Space: 1832 AD...

Nice done! Good move on Asoka!

 

[neilmeister]

My space victory was in the 1900's, ughh.

I almost eliminated Saladin, he founded another city. Wished I had gone after Asoka instead.

When it replayed at the end, it said session 3 started at 4000BC. Not sure why, it was a while ago that I started this, but it hardly matters.

 

[magicgunnar]

My space victory was in the 1900's, ughh.
When it replayed at the end, it said session 3 started at 4000BC. Not sure why, it was a while ago that I started this, but it hardly matters.

Think it did for me too, probably the maker of the game did some saving and loading.

 

[leif erikson]

When it replayed at the end, it said session 3 started at 4000BC. Not sure why, it was a while ago that I started this, but it hardly matters.

Nothing to be concerned about. I checked this morning and it was something I did when I made the map.