Goz11- 5CC-Deity
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Smart
King
Pre-flight
Set science to 50%, PP in 8.
Move units prepearing for attack
Change production in Delhi to Colloseum.
IBT
Korea demanded 10 gold and TM. Move science slider back to 40% do prevent auto-disbanding
Bombay: WE >> Colloseum.
Turn 1
Use "remove or declare" to get war happiness.
Whack LB using a horse, promote it to elite. [1-0-0]
Trigger golden age by attacking Amiens, raze it with galley. No slaves [3-1-0]
Raze Marselies, 2 slaves [6-2-2]
Capture 2 workers near Rheims [6-2-4]
Raze Chartres with settler and catapult in it, 4 slaves [9-2-9] (last number = captured units)
Science to 60%, PP in 5, +10 gpt.
Inca and Korea are Gracious, because they are at war with France too.
Sell horses and iron to Inca for Education and 3 gold.
Set Bombay and Delhi to Uni's.
IBT
Madras, Bangalore, Calcutta: Lib >> Uni.
Turn 2
Join two native workers to Calcutta and two to Bangalore.
IBT
France captured back two slaves.
Turn 3
Recapture them agein
Raze Rheims for 4 slaves and kill longbow on our terrirory. [12-2-9]
Join one worker to Bangalore.
Turn 4
Join two workers to Madras and all cities now are at size 12
Send stack of 4 WE's and 6 horses to Orleans. Inca have few longbows near it too, lets hope they will lose.
IBT
Japan and Persia have signed MA against Carthage.
We have PP!
Turn 5
Time to do some trades:
Bought Banking from Persia for PP, 9 gpt and 110 gold.
Invention from Inca for PP, Furs and 6 gpt.
Astronomy, 6 gpt, 170 gold, horses and WM from Korea for PP and Banking.
Gunpower and 178 gold from Japan for Banking
7gpt and 7g from Persia for PP
379 gold and Monarchy from Sumeria for Banking
74 gold from Japan for Astronomy.
We have got 5 techs, World Map and some gold for just one optional useless tech
Researching Chemistry (9 turns)
IBT
X-man demanded 56 gold and TM.
Turn 6
Japanese sword and Archer were moved from hill to grassland near Madras. Are they planning to attack?
Sign RoP with them, they give 2 gpt and 20 gold, I give PP. Everybody know it, and they can buy it anyway
from other AI.
AI usually don't like RoP rape, I hope they wouldn't attack.
IBT
Japanese units are going to Carthage, they are at war.
Turn 7
Raze Orleanis, with SoZ
Capture 8 slaves and catapult [17-2-18]
IBT
Sumeria demanded 53 gold and TM
Bombay: University >> Bank.
Turn 8
Destroy French settler pair [18-2-20]
Turn 9
Capture two workers [18-2-22]
Turn 10
Raze Besancon for 4 slaves. [22-3-26]
French is destroyed
That was a usefull war, all those free workers will help a lot, also GA will help us to move to Industrial Age. We should think about ToE => Hoover's combination.
Sumeria have saltpeter for sale, but I think it is useless now.
Set science to 50%, PP in 8.
Move units prepearing for attack
Change production in Delhi to Colloseum.
IBT
Korea demanded 10 gold and TM. Move science slider back to 40% do prevent auto-disbanding
Bombay: WE >> Colloseum.
Turn 1
Use "remove or declare" to get war happiness.
Whack LB using a horse, promote it to elite. [1-0-0]
Trigger golden age by attacking Amiens, raze it with galley. No slaves [3-1-0]
Raze Marselies, 2 slaves [6-2-2]
Capture 2 workers near Rheims [6-2-4]
Raze Chartres with settler and catapult in it, 4 slaves [9-2-9] (last number = captured units)
Science to 60%, PP in 5, +10 gpt.
Inca and Korea are Gracious, because they are at war with France too.
Sell horses and iron to Inca for Education and 3 gold.
Set Bombay and Delhi to Uni's.
IBT
Madras, Bangalore, Calcutta: Lib >> Uni.
Turn 2
Join two native workers to Calcutta and two to Bangalore.
IBT
France captured back two slaves.
Turn 3
Recapture them agein
Raze Rheims for 4 slaves and kill longbow on our terrirory. [12-2-9]
Join one worker to Bangalore.
Turn 4
Join two workers to Madras and all cities now are at size 12
Send stack of 4 WE's and 6 horses to Orleans. Inca have few longbows near it too, lets hope they will lose.
IBT
Japan and Persia have signed MA against Carthage.
We have PP!
Turn 5
Time to do some trades:
Bought Banking from Persia for PP, 9 gpt and 110 gold.
Invention from Inca for PP, Furs and 6 gpt.
Astronomy, 6 gpt, 170 gold, horses and WM from Korea for PP and Banking.
Gunpower and 178 gold from Japan for Banking
7gpt and 7g from Persia for PP
379 gold and Monarchy from Sumeria for Banking
74 gold from Japan for Astronomy.
We have got 5 techs, World Map and some gold for just one optional useless tech
Researching Chemistry (9 turns)
IBT
X-man demanded 56 gold and TM.
Turn 6
Japanese sword and Archer were moved from hill to grassland near Madras. Are they planning to attack?
Sign RoP with them, they give 2 gpt and 20 gold, I give PP. Everybody know it, and they can buy it anyway
from other AI.
AI usually don't like RoP rape, I hope they wouldn't attack.
IBT
Japanese units are going to Carthage, they are at war.
Turn 7
Raze Orleanis, with SoZ
Capture 8 slaves and catapult [17-2-18]
IBT
Sumeria demanded 53 gold and TM
Bombay: University >> Bank.
Turn 8
Destroy French settler pair [18-2-20]
Turn 9
Capture two workers [18-2-22]
Turn 10
Raze Besancon for 4 slaves. [22-3-26]
French is destroyed
That was a usefull war, all those free workers will help a lot, also GA will help us to move to Industrial Age. We should think about ToE => Hoover's combination.
Sumeria have saltpeter for sale, but I think it is useless now.
Smart
King
Glorious India!
Tech tree after my trades:
And the save: Goz11_250_AD.SAV
Note: hire specialist in Bangalore, I forgot to do it after destroying French, we have lost war happiness
Tech tree after my trades:
And the save: Goz11_250_AD.SAV
Note: hire specialist in Bangalore, I forgot to do it after destroying French, we have lost war happiness
Smart
King
I wanted to research it too, but price was too high without universities. 
Finish Chemistry and then start Demo with Uni's in Bangalore, Calcutta and Madaras. I think price will be droped to ~8-9 turns.
We still can get monopoly, AI really don't like to research it.
Also check for happiness, I forgot to do it after war with French
Finish Chemistry and then start Demo with Uni's in Bangalore, Calcutta and Madaras. I think price will be droped to ~8-9 turns.
We still can get monopoly, AI really don't like to research it.
Also check for happiness, I forgot to do it after war with French
Very nice! 
Much better than I could hope for, so guts and glory prevails.
Have to look at the save, but the only thing I can see from the screenie is that the silk is free for a colony.
Demo is good, since we won't stay at war long times anyways. Even if we don't get it as mono, someone might want it.
Much better than I could hope for, so guts and glory prevails.Have to look at the save, but the only thing I can see from the screenie is that the silk is free for a colony.
Demo is good, since we won't stay at war long times anyways. Even if we don't get it as mono, someone might want it.
Pre-turn- Hire tax collector in Bangalore and switch tiles around to avoid starvation. Decide not to go for silks, because the japanese city just needs a cultural expansion to kill it. Also hire one in Calcutta.
- Madras riots
. Delhi Bank > WE. Calcutta Uni > cathedral. Bangalore uni > cathedral. Renew wines deal for 13 gpt and 20 gold. Persia discovers democracy. Send science to 100% and get chem in one. - Chem > democracy. SCI at 70%. Sell it to Gilgamesh for 9 gold, economics, and saltpeter. Then I sell economics, world map, and 4 gpt for navigation, world map, and 14 gold. Change research to physics, is a monopoly tech. At 100% its seven turns.
- Renew ivory deal for 240 gold. Delhi WE > WE. Madras Uni > cathedral.
- Bombay bank > WE. Calcutta cathedral > bank. Put taxies in calcutta back to citizens.
- SCI down 10%. Delhi WE > WE. Bangalore cathedral > bank. Put taxi back.
- SCI down to 70%.
- Delhi WE > wealth (we have more WEs that supportable). Bombay WE > wealth. Calcutta WE > bank. Madras Cathedral > bank. Wealth gave huge economic bonus, but I cant raise science for a benefit.
- SCI to 60%, physics still in 2.
- Inca demands chemistry, I give in because I dont know what could happen to trade reputation. Cant lower science.
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Smart
King
Good to see that we have a monopoly 
OMG, Wealth
We can build coloseums to stop spending gpt for luxes or courthouses to save few coins and shields. Also we might start prebuild for Newton's or something usefull, but I will never waste shields, especially in GA for wealth...
OMG, Wealth
We can build coloseums to stop spending gpt for luxes or courthouses to save few coins and shields. Also we might start prebuild for Newton's or something usefull, but I will never waste shields, especially in GA for wealth...
Pre-turn - Wealth in 5CC is not a good thing, especially in GA. Now and again you will need money, but more important is to build all buildings, so Delhi starts colloseum and Bombay will get a courthouse.
Check the trade situation, not often you get the chance to trade with a monopoly tech at this stage of the game.
Since we're still in GA, I prefer the needed tech first:
Sell Physics to Sumeria for Metallurgy, Music Theory, 13gpt and 15g plus WM.
Physics, 13gpt and 12g to Japan for Military Tradition.
Korea get MT and Physics plus WM and 22g for Democracy
Physics and WM to Persia for their WM and 552g.
X-man knows Free Artistry.
Music Theory to Inca for their WM and 16g. Sell WM around for another 69g. Now we and Persia have all the gold in the world, we have just under 800g and Persia close to 11k.
Not sure when the GA ends, I hold on switching gov until that's over.
With all this money we can finally get those embassies, it cost us 313g. I don't get one in Carthage, since they are at war with 4 nations and I reckon it would be a waste. If they survive we can buy one later.
Also as a note, we're getting saltpeter from Sumeria for another 12 turns. When we get back our iron next turn I will build some cannons. Artillery-stuff is a must have and I don't care if we have to turn off research to get it.
Btw, turn up research on TOG to 100% just to benefit the most of our fading GA.
Finally, press enter.
360AD - Golden age is just about over, ah well.
Sell WM to Sumeria for 2gpt and 2g.
I think about switching gov now, but decide to wait until our buildings are finished. And the possibility to get TOG first.
370AD - Bangalore bank -> courthouse.
380AD - Nothing.
390AD - Delhi colloseum -> cannon.
Bombay court -> cannon.
Research down to 70%, still on deficit.
400AD - Madras and Calcutta build banks -> courts.
Carthage is down to 2 cities, Persia is on a roll and is becoming a monster.
410AD - Delhi cannon -> cannon.
Bombay cannon -> colloseum.
Persia knows TOG.
420AD - Carthage lost their last city on the continent.
Japanese units are lurking in the fog, I reinforce our borders.
430AD - Delhi cannon -> cannon.
Bangalore court -> colloseum.
Finally our furs have some value, Sumeria buys it for 5gpt and 33g.
I take out a loan from Persia, 14g for 1gpt so we get TOG next turn. Then I can switch gov.
440AD - Drats, Japan demand 24g, I reject and they declare. Couldn't they have waited for a few turns so we could be prepared?
We learn TOG -> Magnetism.
Sign alliance with Sumeria, giving them TOG and we get 41gpt in return.
Sign Inca too for Democracy.
Immediately raze 3 japanese towns, lose 4 WE's. Losing against reg pikes is a pain.
Zero research for a couple of turns, so we can upgrade some stuff.
450AD - Madras and Calcutta courts -> cavs. Swap Bangalore to cav.
Start upgrades to cavs.
I'm going to play 5 more turns to see if I can survive this pickle.
460AD - More upgrades.
Persia is Industrial.
470AD - The saltpeter deal with Sumeria is over, I renew it for 20gpt and our only incense.
Buy wines from Korea for 10gpt and ivory from Persia for 9gpt.
480AD - Set up assault on Yokohama.
Sell our native workers to Persia for 137g, this saves us 14gpt in upkeep.
490AD - Sell our new lux silks to Persia for 22gpt. Another will be online next turn.
We raze Yokohama and Nagasaki without losses. We don't have to do more to Japan or Persia will grab the land.
500AD - We get a leader, send him home! We want an army, don't we?
I have slaves and stuff blocking the SW point where the silks are, so noone can plant a city there.
Next player can play 15 if he wants to, it won't be too much to do I think.
I'm a bit worried about Persia, he's furious with us. Is that because he got our workers?
And yeah, as soon as we got Magnetism we should switch to Demo.
Sorry, no pics. Can anyone sort that out?
Check the trade situation, not often you get the chance to trade with a monopoly tech at this stage of the game.
Since we're still in GA, I prefer the needed tech first:
Sell Physics to Sumeria for Metallurgy, Music Theory, 13gpt and 15g plus WM.
Physics, 13gpt and 12g to Japan for Military Tradition.
Korea get MT and Physics plus WM and 22g for Democracy
Physics and WM to Persia for their WM and 552g.
X-man knows Free Artistry.
Music Theory to Inca for their WM and 16g. Sell WM around for another 69g. Now we and Persia have all the gold in the world, we have just under 800g and Persia close to 11k.
Not sure when the GA ends, I hold on switching gov until that's over.
With all this money we can finally get those embassies, it cost us 313g. I don't get one in Carthage, since they are at war with 4 nations and I reckon it would be a waste. If they survive we can buy one later.
Also as a note, we're getting saltpeter from Sumeria for another 12 turns. When we get back our iron next turn I will build some cannons. Artillery-stuff is a must have and I don't care if we have to turn off research to get it.
Btw, turn up research on TOG to 100% just to benefit the most of our fading GA.
Finally, press enter.
360AD - Golden age is just about over, ah well.
Sell WM to Sumeria for 2gpt and 2g.
I think about switching gov now, but decide to wait until our buildings are finished. And the possibility to get TOG first.
370AD - Bangalore bank -> courthouse.
380AD - Nothing.
390AD - Delhi colloseum -> cannon.
Bombay court -> cannon.
Research down to 70%, still on deficit.
400AD - Madras and Calcutta build banks -> courts.
Carthage is down to 2 cities, Persia is on a roll and is becoming a monster.
410AD - Delhi cannon -> cannon.
Bombay cannon -> colloseum.
Persia knows TOG.
420AD - Carthage lost their last city on the continent.
Japanese units are lurking in the fog, I reinforce our borders.
430AD - Delhi cannon -> cannon.
Bangalore court -> colloseum.
Finally our furs have some value, Sumeria buys it for 5gpt and 33g.
I take out a loan from Persia, 14g for 1gpt so we get TOG next turn. Then I can switch gov.
440AD - Drats, Japan demand 24g, I reject and they declare. Couldn't they have waited for a few turns so we could be prepared?
We learn TOG -> Magnetism.
Sign alliance with Sumeria, giving them TOG and we get 41gpt in return.
Sign Inca too for Democracy.
Immediately raze 3 japanese towns, lose 4 WE's. Losing against reg pikes is a pain.
Zero research for a couple of turns, so we can upgrade some stuff.
450AD - Madras and Calcutta courts -> cavs. Swap Bangalore to cav.
Start upgrades to cavs.
I'm going to play 5 more turns to see if I can survive this pickle.
460AD - More upgrades.
Persia is Industrial.
470AD - The saltpeter deal with Sumeria is over, I renew it for 20gpt and our only incense.
Buy wines from Korea for 10gpt and ivory from Persia for 9gpt.
480AD - Set up assault on Yokohama.
Sell our native workers to Persia for 137g, this saves us 14gpt in upkeep.
490AD - Sell our new lux silks to Persia for 22gpt. Another will be online next turn.
We raze Yokohama and Nagasaki without losses. We don't have to do more to Japan or Persia will grab the land.
500AD - We get a leader, send him home! We want an army, don't we?
I have slaves and stuff blocking the SW point where the silks are, so noone can plant a city there.
Next player can play 15 if he wants to, it won't be too much to do I think.
I'm a bit worried about Persia, he's furious with us. Is that because he got our workers?
And yeah, as soon as we got Magnetism we should switch to Demo.
Sorry, no pics. Can anyone sort that out?
"Sign alliance with Sumeria, giving them TOG and we get 41gpt in return."
This is a mistake. If they break the alliance, we lose the gold. Better to give gold and/or gpt for alliance, then sell the tech.
Edit:
I just reviewed Bamspeedy's article on AI attitude. In it he mentions that selling one of our workers gives a +1 modifier for the civ we sold them to. I guess that means selling 7 workers would be +7. Also, razing cities gives +1 each (+12 for the civ that controled the city). Persia's aggression level starts him out at +3. We're in his shunned government while he is not, for +4. As far as I can tell, we only have -8 to counter any of this. I don't think there's a lot we can do. Getting out of Republic will only help a little.
This is a mistake. If they break the alliance, we lose the gold. Better to give gold and/or gpt for alliance, then sell the tech.
Edit:
I just reviewed Bamspeedy's article on AI attitude. In it he mentions that selling one of our workers gives a +1 modifier for the civ we sold them to. I guess that means selling 7 workers would be +7. Also, razing cities gives +1 each (+12 for the civ that controled the city). Persia's aggression level starts him out at +3. We're in his shunned government while he is not, for +4. As far as I can tell, we only have -8 to counter any of this. I don't think there's a lot we can do. Getting out of Republic will only help a little.
zerksees
in remission
I think I am next. I got it unless I get overruled.
Smart
King
Good job with crushing Japan, with just five cities we can do so much damage to other civs!
It's normal thing that all are furious. When I've played 5CCC all civs were furious even if I traded with them and had RoP with embassies. They really hate city razing
Using leader for an army is a no-brainer, then we will be able to build HE and MA. Fill army with cavs.
I will never build Courthouse in the capital, but it can be used as a small prebuild.
Gozpel, can you post a roster? All past swaps are misleading me
It's normal thing that all are furious. When I've played 5CCC all civs were furious even if I traded with them and had RoP with embassies. They really hate city razing
Using leader for an army is a no-brainer, then we will be able to build HE and MA. Fill army with cavs.
I will never build Courthouse in the capital, but it can be used as a small prebuild.
Gozpel, can you post a roster? All past swaps are misleading me
zerksees
in remission
Summary:
Army created and filled with vet cavalry
Army was victorious and heroic epic due in 2, military academy in 12 or so.
Made several attempts with elites but no new leader. Did lose one elite attacking Samurai.
Two more Japan cities razed costing us 3 cavalry and them 7 various units, added at least 10 more slave workers. Moving on another of their cities.
Carthage is OCC, demanded metallurgy. I refused and they declare war on us in 510 AD
Sold metallurgy to Inca collecting 212 gold, free artistry and world map
Acquire magnetism from Sumerians for 199 gold + 10 gpt in 530 AD. This is about the same price as to finish it ourselves at 60%.
Renewed gems from Sumerians for 14 gpt in 540 AD
Enter industrial age to discover Korea and Persia have all first level IA techs. Sumer lacks nationalism. That is expensive and I am not confident we can get it before they do. It will not benefit us unless we get into a real war so I start medicine with lone scientist. I want sanitation for a chance to get monopoly tech and grow our cities. Now is probably a good time to crank up the slider and try to get it more quickly. Next player can turn up the slider or go somewhere else. We do have over 1000 gold and are showing over 200 per turn extra with science at 0%.
Watch as Persia aligns the world against Carthage. Xerxes wanted money from us so we did not sign with him. If his enemies are our enemies maybe he will stay polite.
Persia demands 36 gold, which we gave, and he is now polite. The war with Carthage might also be helping this.
Finish colosseums in Madras and Calcutta, the rest of the builds were cavalry I believe. The only build changes were to build heroic epic in Bangalore instead of colosseum and military academy in the capital instead of courthouse.
Convert to democracy. MM during off turn to get some gold from tax collectors, actually had “we love the Mahatma day” in four of the five cities during anarchy.
Japan builds Shakespeares, Sumer build Newtons, and I think Persia completed Magellans
Palace expanded twice – went up and front pillars
Army created and filled with vet cavalry
Army was victorious and heroic epic due in 2, military academy in 12 or so.
Made several attempts with elites but no new leader. Did lose one elite attacking Samurai.
Two more Japan cities razed costing us 3 cavalry and them 7 various units, added at least 10 more slave workers. Moving on another of their cities.
Carthage is OCC, demanded metallurgy. I refused and they declare war on us in 510 AD
Sold metallurgy to Inca collecting 212 gold, free artistry and world map
Acquire magnetism from Sumerians for 199 gold + 10 gpt in 530 AD. This is about the same price as to finish it ourselves at 60%.
Renewed gems from Sumerians for 14 gpt in 540 AD
Enter industrial age to discover Korea and Persia have all first level IA techs. Sumer lacks nationalism. That is expensive and I am not confident we can get it before they do. It will not benefit us unless we get into a real war so I start medicine with lone scientist. I want sanitation for a chance to get monopoly tech and grow our cities. Now is probably a good time to crank up the slider and try to get it more quickly. Next player can turn up the slider or go somewhere else. We do have over 1000 gold and are showing over 200 per turn extra with science at 0%.
Watch as Persia aligns the world against Carthage. Xerxes wanted money from us so we did not sign with him. If his enemies are our enemies maybe he will stay polite.
Persia demands 36 gold, which we gave, and he is now polite. The war with Carthage might also be helping this.
Finish colosseums in Madras and Calcutta, the rest of the builds were cavalry I believe. The only build changes were to build heroic epic in Bangalore instead of colosseum and military academy in the capital instead of courthouse.
Convert to democracy. MM during off turn to get some gold from tax collectors, actually had “we love the Mahatma day” in four of the five cities during anarchy.
Japan builds Shakespeares, Sumer build Newtons, and I think Persia completed Magellans
Palace expanded twice – went up and front pillars
Smart
King
Thanks. Before playing it I have one question: why we are doing a lone-scientist research? We can get Medicine in 13 turns without gpt loss, and then research Sanitation with hope for monopoly 
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