Goz8 - Silence is Golden

[ThERat]

Winning may be a miracle. It is looking grim at the moment. Cathy has 8 SS parts

we have to make sure the aluminum stays disconnected at all times. I'd suggest to land there first rather than taking out Moskow. But maybe I am wrong. We also have to be careful about culture, since without Babs we would lose the culture raze

 

[grahamiam]

do we have to raze/capture moscow or can we nuke it (or is it best to do both?)

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Disconnecting the aluminum is a good idea. I'm about half way through and I was just contemplating the next move.

 

[ThERat]

Disconnecting the aluminum is a good idea

actually I think the aluminum was disconnected already.
thinking about it, maybe it's a good idea to nuke Moskow and then take it out, rather than worry about aluminum disconnection. hope we can set up for an invasion.
waiting for your update, Bugs

 

[ThERat]

Bugs, I know this game take a long time for turns, maybe you want to do only 5 (since you said you are 1/2 way through) and post them, so this game can go on. it has been a week since the last turnset posted.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

My apologies. I'll have it up tomorrow. It seems as soon as I get it started, something comes up to make me set it down again.

 

[grahamiam]

we have the UN, have we eliminated the vikings yet? if so, maybe a UN vote will win it, since the babylonians are at war with russia too (at least on my turnset). at least, they won't vote for Russia.

 

[ThERat]

@Bugs, as much as I would really like you to play and post your turns, but it has been 10 days since the last turnset, 2 days since your promise. It's a little sad, I will take this game on tomorrow unless, of course, you post your turns. if you are unable to play 10, you can post your 5 turns, no issue.

 

[grahamiam]

yep, bugs, these turns take very long, so 5T sets should be fine. how about you post what you got so we avoid the slowdown like in Goz6 (i actually forgot about that game till you bumped it ).

 

[ThERat]

move on with playing else this potentially legendary game becomes a forgotten game. I am 5 turns inot the game, here an update

Pre-turn
UN might be a good idea, so we need to bring down the Vikings, Babs need to be our friends since they are key for culture. but we can't talk to them.
homeland has lots of craters etc.
upgrade our flaks for 800g, let's see whether that is a good move

IT
we shoot down 1/7 bombers

1.1812AD

try and keep Aluminium disconnected. move carrier out and activate bombers. lose a bomber while bombing the roads ( can actually check whether it's connected by being able to bomb in the first place).

IT we defeat only 2/10 bombers

2.1814AD
Aluminum was connected, disconnect again, but lose a bomber. now make sure the roads around it are gone as well

send army over to Stavanger

IT we shoot down 5/15 bombers, esp where they attack towns

3.1816AD
steal tech from Babs, we need nukes, go for space flight.
start some nukes, we need to either nuke Moskow or the cities close to aluminum, 3 builds ready in 5-6 turns
kill one unit in Stavanger

IT 2/12, not so good, but Russia mainly attacks rails
Babs add 7th part to their space ship

4.1818AD
attack Stavanger, army defeats 3 units, inf army defeats another unit, and retreats, wounded units appear
Stavanger has 3 units left, attack with tank win, 2 units left, next turn city is ours, I hope
sink a Viking galleon
lose 3 bombers while bombing the Aluminum area

IT 3/10 shot down, AI seems to love this area, must be some old Russian relict hidden there

5.1820AD
replant spy in Russia, they are still 8/10 for SS
Stavanger has 5 units, their fate is sealed
we get city and Smiths. our income jumps to 733gpt and we got 1000g, can steal now

Vikings are gone

Russians love to bomb this area, is there some king of old Russian relict hidden here?

 

[ThERat]

some thought for the next 5 turns of my play. I would love to attack Russia at the aluminum spot, we MUST make sure its disconnected at all times, right now it's up again and I have to send and sacrifice bombers again. Once the nukes are up I want to send armies over and establish a beach head. By the way, Babs have 2 aluminum, once they make peace, there is a chance of Russia getting it from them.
We need to bring Babs to OCC sooner rather than later as well.

 

[ThERat]

[5] continued
Russia's aluminum not hooked up, send army over to make sure it's permanently offline

IT 2/9 shot down, lousy ratio less than 30%

6.1822AD
careful steal with Babs, succeed, we need synthetic fibers, so steal ecology
land army on aluminum

IT 2/12 shot down, but army gets bombed once only

7.1824AD
trying to establish beach head with that army

IT 3 out of 13 shot down
we got our first tactical nuke

8.1826AD
nuke in position though can only hit next to city

we still go for it
Yakutsk looks bad take it out with our tank best part it reveals one uranium

want to establish airfield, but we can't, what is the issue here?
steal syntethic fibers from Russia and upgrade 8 tanks

IT wow, we get hit by 4 ICBM's and oil is disconnected

9.1828AD
admit I am a little rocked, gather my thoughts. sink a transport convoy next to Zambalam
send out nuclear sub for another run

IT we shoot down 2 bombers as usual but only 7 approach
Babs want to renew peace treaty, ok and same time sign trade embargo to make sure they don't trade aluminum with Russia
2 cities riot

10.1830AD
reconnect our resource cities except 1
there are now 3 armies next to aluminum, shifted them so we could attack the town next turn. there is also a marines transport on the way. so far, Russia has not pestered our transports, hope it stays that way
one more retaliation, nuke Yekaterinburg
as one last action, steal computers from Russia

as long as Russia has no aluminum, they can't build nukes, let's hope that stays that way
but they have 4 tactical nukes left, but only 2 modern armor and once we get those armies, they are doomed I hope

Russia wait for your doom

KB, I wish you good luck and get at the throat of Russia. we need to delete their cities to cut down their culture as well, since they have more than double than us

 

[grahamiam]

good work rat! i don't know how many of these tightropes i can take atm.

Roster
gozpel <- autoskip
grahamiam <- on deck
Sir Bugsy
TheRat
Kaiser Berger <- up

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

Between LK79 and LK85, and now this, I don't know how much nuclear winter I can take

Great turns though, and I'll see what I can do with it. Got it.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

My apologies to the team. RL got very ugly on Thursday morning.

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

Preturn- We look alright for the situation.

IT- Wow, this is epic. Shoot down bombers, get the news that Russia and Babylon sign peace.

T1 1832

Spend a while optimizing our builds and cities. Upgrade some tanks to MA, some infantry to Mechs. I don't think I've been in a game where it was feasible to try and go for Robotics to get to Radar Artillery. However, I think that getting it would be of great help in busting through the Russians. I'll look into it.

IT- A Russian sub frags our transport full of marines, but on the bright side we frag 6 Russian bombers.

T2 1834

Kill the offending sub. I try to pull together a naval fleet. We have two transports full of arty now on their way over, covered with eveything I could find. With some arty support for our forces, this won't be so scary. Another factor for it not being a sscary is the fact that Russia now only has 4 bombers.

IT- We frag two more bombers. Whoa, a mech actually attacks our infantry army. We win easily.

T3 1836

It really hits me that Russia will win by culture sooner rather than later. Time to hit up some offensive action. Its a meager start, but we burn Smolensk in the tundra, disconecting an oil supply.

IT- More of the same.

T4 1838

I move our SoD towards Rostov, time to start killing some Metros. We also immediately steal Miniturization from Russia.

IT- frag more bombers, this is great stuff.

T5 1840

Move stack in range of Rostov. Not much else of note.

IT- Get a real good scare as our infantry army was damaged enough that Russian tanks attacked. We survive though.

T6 1842

Try to bombard Rostov but not enough luck to attack yet. Need to let our armies heal a bit. Pull off another steal, grab Nuclear Power.

IT- Same old stuff.

T7 1844

I give up on Rostov for now due to lack of arty. Will pull back towards coast to pick up reinforcements and frag smaller cities first. Steal immediately again and pick up Satellites.

IT- Same as always.

T8 1846

Move stack towards coast, move a tank ary back to the aluminum to ensure its disconnected status.

IT- Same old

T9 1848

Stack is ready to raze again and free up some real estate on the coast next turn. Feel lucky and steal the Laser from the Babs. At this pace it might be easier to build the space ship before Russia out cultures us

IT- Same old.

T10 1850

Raze Murmansk. Doesn't free up much space. Dammit, moving a transport to drop off some arty it runs into a sub and dies.



Summary

I think we may need to form a beachhead town. The russians will pour into it, but with some mechs it will stand. We need to consolidate more forces. We need more arty there, it would be easier if we could airlift everything we need. I started a city on the Apollo Program as we really might need to try and squeak out a space race if our military plans don't go as planned. We can switch it back to an ICBM if that seems unwise.

 

[ThERat]

seems to go slow, maybe too slow. I noticed the culture problem, maybe we need to up our culture and raze more Russian towns. agree with a city, with any luck we can get leaders and rush a defensive MI army, that would fend off a lot. We MUST make sure Babs don't get uranium and Russians don't get aluminum. If thats the case, we need to disconnect Babs 2 aluminum sources.

I fear ICBM or tactical nukes might provoke Babs into declaring on us.

Could we use ICBM's as prebuilds for SS?

Grahamiam is up, Bugs on deck (if he can take turns, which i think would be great)

edit: btw arty can't be airlifted

 

[ThERat]

I had a look at the save, I hope you don't mind a few suggestions. there are many fortified arties at our SOD. In order to prevent our MA's to be attacked I suggest to wake arty and bomb the surrounding tiles to make sure units cannot reach us. We could even use the buttercup army to disconnect a tile.
I am sure Russia will send units out to attack MA's. That would mean a potential huge stack of units approaching. We could take it out using our tactical nukes. We have 4 and one fortified nuc sub could take it and immediately rush towards Russia to intercept before the IT.

Also, it seems we make exactly have of Russia's culture, we could build cheap libraries and temples for additional culture.

Since Russia has 4 tac nukes, I strongly advise against building a city over there. Once it won't be within the Russian perimeter, I am sure we get nuked and would sacrifice a lot of units.

We can slowly work our way to Moskow and once we took that out, I am sure we could also get to Babs to take out their capital. I am quite positive we can win this. But we must play careful.

 

[grahamiam]

bahh, i cut down on my sg's and i'm still up in 3! i have sgotm6 to finish tonight, then LK92 tomorrow. i probably won't start this till Tues night/Weds and won't finish till Thurs/Fri.

 

[ThERat]

what about Sir Bugs taking it in between, if he is able to take it? for maybe 5 turns?
I think we can win this game pretty fast btw. once we have Apollo, we can switch a lot of cities to SS production and get our 10 parts.
and if worse comes to worst, we can sabotage their production with all the money we make. our trade embargo goes another 9 turns, quite safe.