Goz8 - Silence is Golden

[Sir Bugsy]

Rat - if you want it, go ahead and take it. I'll pick it up after you.

 

[ThERat]

ok will play now before xmas frenzy starts...but my family all back home in europe
nth much to celebrate, means no in-laws as well

 

[Sir Bugsy]

You're very blessed.

 

[ThERat]

Pre-Turn
dial up Ottomans...wait...no, wrong game...
so I do nth but press enter

IT Vikings complain about our units

1. 975BC
2 horses defeat 2 archer (2-0)

2. 950BC
nth much

3. 925BC
GA ended, now SoZ only in 21, why did we build a granary and rax there 1st puzzles me

IT Vikings are having a SoD (5 warriors + 2 archers) around, scary (I try and shadow)

4. 900BC
shuffling

IT Babylon warrior approaches Agade

5. 975BC
move some units towards Agade, Vikings also near

IT
writing in, change to Lit
massive uprising near Umma, someone is in MA right?

6. 850BC
horse redlines but beat another archer (3-0)
Erech founded, can now build FP

IT a small Ottoman stack approaches Promised Land (short PL)

7. 825BC
another horse redlines but beats archer (4-0)

IT defend against archer and sword (6-0), one regular enkidu promotes and then

stack of Vikings approaches Agade
Ottoman build Sun Tzu

8. 800BC
try to pull some units towards Ugade

IT stack of 4 warriors and 2 archers on the doorstep of Agade

9 775BC
2 horses retreat against 2 warriors at Agade, 1 horse wins (7-0)
horse beats archer at PL (8-0)
we now have 2 enkidu and 3 horses to defend at Agade

IT
sword attacks enkidu at PL, loses and promotes it (8-0)
Viking warriors dispers, but 2 archers beat 2 enkidu at Agade (8-2)

10 750BC
horse beats archer at Agade + horse beats sword at PL
2 archer beat spear+archer at PL (12-2)

we desperately need SoZ but due to the fact that both prebuilds were actually built we need another 12 turns or so
there are 2 warriors in front of Umma, 1 enkidu coming for help, hope we keep it during IT
the situation

 

[ThERat]

merry christmas to everyone
and for those returning after new year, have fun

@bugs...what a thing to say, hope your in-laws don't lurk

 

[gozpel]

Good job, last players!

Defiant and cocky, that's'r'us.

Anyone with time on their hands can take the save from now until after New Years. I will let the roster go and you can take your turns in any fashion. If someone doesn't show up in time, the player with time can grab it.

I can't play much the next following week and might not even be online. So I think you guys can handle this while I'm away.

Cheers and have a nice holidays.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I have it.

Rat - I don't think so. :\

 

[ThERat]

Sir Bugs, while you're at it, this one is up as well
I am curious about your turns esp after the first enter, that's why I post

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Pre-flight – 750 BC - We have stopped making settlers with land to settle. I change the capitol to a settler. MM Lagash to get growth next turn. Grab Osman by the beard, drag him to the peace table. “WE ARE A PEACEFUL PEOPLE!” I scream at him. He gives us CB & 23G for peace. “Now leave us alone!”

IBT – Umma survives two Viking warrior attacks, but here come some barbs.
At Bad-tibera I start a pre-build.

730 – Kill two barbs, two Vik warriors and a Vik archer. Lose a horse. March on Haried with a force of two archers, a horse and an Endiku. Zeus is now due in eight.

IBT – Lose a vet Endiku to a conscript barb horse.

710 – Kill the barb. Change the pre-build to Umma.
IBT – Vikings complete ToA.
690 – Kill a Vik warrior

IBT Produce a cat and a settler
670 – Kill four barbs.
IBT - Watch a Bab settler pair get whacked by barbs.

650
IBT – Barbs are raging. Babs build Great Wall.
630 Found Isin. Leave it unguarded for the hoard of barbs.
@ Haried – Kill the three defenders losing a horse and the city is ours.

IBT – Lose 20G to the pack of barbs.
610 –
IBT – Koreans build the lighthouse.

590
IBT – We get this bit of news…

570
IBT – Vikings near Odense run off to the south.
550 – March on Odense

After Action – Here’s the front:

The Vikings ran off in the direction of the red arrow. You can attack Odense in two turns with cat support. The Vikings will talk to us now. I wasn’t ready to talk to them.
Lit is due next. Switch the FP to the GL.

Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Goz8,_550_BC.SAV

 

[ThERat]

"Grab Osman by the beard, drag him to the peace table"

what????? you mean you opened the diplo screen yourself???? hey this is against the rule of this game?
am i wrong here????

 

[Sir Bugsy]

You're right. I was going by the last defiant rule set I played with Bede. There you could start a peace treaty if it was in your favor. That's what I get for relying on my memory instead of writing it down.

I'm not a big fan of replaying regardless of the situation, but if the team wants me to I will.

 

[ThERat]

I don't think you should replay, we beat them pretty badly, I am sure they would have dialled us up sooner or later.
But, since it's gozpel's game, we should ask him for his idea.

Lit is due next. Switch the FP to the GL.

IIRC, Russians are holding the GL already, no chance to change. we do not libraries urgently anyway since we do not talk to others

 

[grahamiam]

i vote we just play on. let's just be more vigilant in the future

that's 3 of 5 and should be good enough as it's a majority. KB is up and goz is on deck.

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

Play on it is. Got it.

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

Preturn- Set Promised land to grow again. Rat was right, Ruskies already have GL. Looks like we'll be doing lots of self research. The cheap libraries should help.

IT- 5 Vike archers appear near Odense. We learn Lit, start on Myst to get us closer to Monarchy. I assume we'll be going for Monarchy. Republic is often painful in this type of game.

T1 530

Move SoD next to Odense. Start Ur on Library.

IT- Three Vike archers will challenge Agade next turn.

T2 510

Cat bombardment reveals three reg spears in Odense. It is captured at high cost. With Viking units all over by it, holding it during the IT could be tough.

IT- Vike recapture Odense.

T3 490

I bombard with our cats and kill an archer in Odense.

IT- Its time for it all to hit the fan for the Vikes now as our first AC rolls off the line.

T4 470

We promptly lose our first AC attacking a spear thats roaming along our borders. We then lose an elite Chariot on that sam redlined spear, promoting it.

IT- zzz

T5 450

Our cats redline three units in Odense and we take out two of them. With no way to reinforce these cities, the Vikes will soon lose them.

IT- Babylon declares war on Ottomans. We learn Myst. Start on Polytheism. Babylon completes Hanging Gardens. Vikes start Sun Tzu and Sistines. We're further behind than I thought. We'll have to be on the lookout for zerks pretty soon.

T6 430

Odense is weakened further. I also settle a city that wil likely prover hard to defend in the case of more war with the Ottomans, but I do it anyway to secure some silks.

IT- Damn Osman decides to waste my time with his presence. He says something about us helping him fight Babylon. I tell him to shut up and then throw him some of our literary classics in exchange for teaching us how to make maps.

T7 410

Two spears die and we take Odense again.

IT- zzz

T8 390

Not much. Our troops heal before another conquest.

IT- We get a new AC.

T9 370

We whack a Viking settler pair for two very welcome slaves.

IT- zzz

T10 350

Not much.


Summary

We have two new cities. The Vike cities in the south will surely fall. Our SoD is gathering once more. I have a bit of a blockade going on against a Babylonian settler pair right now. However, since it is using three of our horses, I think it is very expendable if we need the horses for anything.

 

[ThERat]

well, we are way behind in techs, expected at deity. should we build a galley to explore a little, there must be another island and more contacts would decrease the cost for research if I am not wrong.
what's the longer term strategy since we have no iron. we can't build knights, defeating muskets will be tough. should we try and get up north?
we should build a town NE of promised land on that hill, good for defense.

 

[gozpel]

Some nailbiting stuff

I got it.

 

[gozpel]

Pre-turn - Swap some tiles between Umma and Lagash, so FP goes from 25 to 14 turns. Otherwise no changes.

Move a couple of units to Bad and Ur as they are undefended and the Babs could be tempted.

330bc - Lagash settler -> horse.

310bc - Ur horse -> settler.
Agade barracks -> horse.

Kill 2 spears and an archer in Alesund and take the city.

290bc - Bad horse -> library.

270bc - I have a stack near Molde, 3 pults miss, so I wait another turn so some horses can help. There's a elite spear in the town and at least one more reg spear.

Take out barbcamp for 25g.

250bc - We learn Polytheism -> Monarchy at 60% for now, due in 17 turns. This might be changed as we get more towns.

Ur settler -> horse.

Assault on Molde: 3 pults hits, AC and horse kills the 2 spears and we take the city.

230bc - Lagash horse -> library.
Erech barracks -> horse.

210bc - Hareid and Odense workers -> libraries.

Zalabam founded -> worker.

190bc - This is bad, 6 Viking MI's and 2 swords shows up N of Promised Lands.

Sweet Salmon library -> horse.
Isin galley -> barracks. The galley better sit in town for a turn, there are a viking galley outside.

Switch Lagash to pult, poprush horses in PL and Erech.

170bc - All 8 vikings are going for Promised lands.

Ur horse -> horse.
Lagash Pult and AC -> horse.
Bad library -> horse.
Promised Land and Erech horses -> EW's

Horses kills 2 swords and 2 MI's, reinforcements will arrive next turn.

150bc - Ragnar wants to talk, he says straight peace and I reneg that offer. Too bad I had negative income on our research, but we get Monarchy and CoL plus a shiny gold-piece. Done.

A few gpt would've given us Currency.

Then the Vikings start Leo's. And Ottomans finish Sun Tsu.

FP is completed in 3 turns.

Time for Monarchy, switch to that right away if we can afford it. We only have 29g, if we turn off research for 3 turns and finish FP, we can be sure.

Swap builds to whatever seems best, maybe a couple poprushes befor we switch Gov?

We can still cram in a few towns here and there and we need more workers. There is much to do.

 

[Greebley]

lurker's comment:
One resolution to the defiance vs no diplo is to forbid deals/negotiations.

You can use the "get out" and "declare war" freely, but not the map trade or deals.

 

[grahamiam]

got it. looks like i get all the anarchy turns lately