GR26 - AWE Archipelago vs 30 civs (No GL)
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Forming an archer army and sending it into Japan definitely looks like the right choice. 
But we should bear in mind that due to rounding down, a three-unit archer army gets no attack or defense bonuses--it's just a 2-1 unit with a lot of HP--so we should use it with appropriate caution.
But we should bear in mind that due to rounding down, a three-unit archer army gets no attack or defense bonuses--it's just a 2-1 unit with a lot of HP--so we should use it with appropriate caution.
Actually they get +1 attack I believe. You get +1 for every 6 and an archer army is 2x3=6 so get exactly +1.
Kibitzer:
That is correct:
2+2+2/6 = 1 (if no Pentagon or MA)
Their read danger is that they will be at risk for attacks with the low defense value.
That is correct:
2+2+2/6 = 1 (if no Pentagon or MA)
Their read danger is that they will be at risk for attacks with the low defense value.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Despotism
30% Tax
70% Science
00% Luxury
17 gold, +2 gpt
Horseback Riding in 3 turns. (What's next?)
City Builds
02 Settlers
04 Workers
02 Slaves
10 Archer
12 Spear
01 Army
Current Units: 29
Allowed Units: 24
Support Costs: 5 gpt
Compared to Germany we are Weak.
Compared to Japan we are Average.
01 Horse connected.
02 Furs connected.
01 Incense connected (Colony).
City Count
09 Persia
06 Ottomania (us)
04 Germany
04 Japan
Brief Looksee at the Map
Six more Furs are visible in the Great Forests to our north.
A lone Incense is stuck on a coastal hill to the north-east.
Another Horse is in the hills to the east.
There is also a clump of Incense between us and Japan.
No enemies are visible anywhere.
We have two settlers in motion, one to the NE of Istanbul, two turns away from a new city (one to move and then we build) and the other N of Bursa, destination unknown. We are rather cramped for space to the north, with the Great Forest limiting where we can build and easily improve. Towards Japan we have more open green and that looks better right now.
[IBT 0750 BC]
Edrine vSpear -> vSpear in 3.
1 0730 BC
Worker SE of Aydin moves to unimproved BG SW of Aydin, to mine and road.
Aydin walls in 7 -> barracks in 17, so as not to waste the chop.
New Spear from Edrine heads to the NE, to help establish our new city.
Worker SE of Edrine moves NE to connect our new city.
Settler pair move NE, now CxxC from Istanbul, ready to build next turn. However, it will take two turns to move from Istanbul to here, due to the rivers.
Other Settler and Spear join up W of Bursa.
eArcher joins vSpear on a hill 2S of the Incense Colony.
Archer Army (10/13) heals outside of Japan.
19 gold, +1 gpt, HBR in 2.
[IBT]
2 0710 BC
Antalya is founded, begins a barracks.
Two Japanese rArchers come into sight near our Archer/Spear pair, Fortify the Spear.
Settler pair moves to 1S of Iznit.
Worker/slaves 1S of Iznit, task completed, move 1S.
Begin to mine the BG SW of Aydin; only four turns instead of six because we are IND (I forgot that we were
).
Archer Army moves 2W, mountain to mountain and ends 1NE of Kyoto (2). Horrible location for a capital, a grassland tile that has one mountain and three marsh tiles in the tiles around the city and nine marsh tiles in the Fat-21. An rSpear defends the city.
20 gold, +13 gpt (science down to 60%), HBR in 1.
[IBT]
Sister in law called during the IBT, so I missed some AI movement.
Horseback Riding -> Alphabet in 15 (and leads to Mathematics and Catapults).
Istanbul vArcher -> vHorse in 4.
Bursa vSpear -> settler in 4.
3 0690 BC
Edrine, now size 6, goes cranky; happy slider to 10%.
Our eArcher dies after promoting Japanese rArcher to vArcher (0 of 1).
2nd vSpear arrives in Antalya.
Forest chopped N of Aydin, worker mines the uncovered grassland.
New Archer heads SW towards Japan.
New Spear heads towards Japan, also.
Archer Army takes out 2 rSpears in Kyoto (2 of 3) at least one more left.
Archer Army is at 6/13, on a mountain.
Raise science to 80%.
33 gold, +1 gpt, Alphabet in 11.
[IBT]
Archer Army pings a passing Spear.
German Archer appears near Antayla.
Edrine vSpear -> settler in 3.
4 0670 BC
Allow Army to heal.
Kyoto at size 1.
German vArcher threatens the worker connecting Antayla. Move Spear to protect Worker. Wake eArcher in Uskadar and move to protect Worker.
Settler pair move onto the Tobacco southish of Iznik, still CxxC from Iznik.
New vSpear heads to Uskudar, which has only one Spear for defense.
Looks like Japan is heading towards the Incense Colony. And all we have around are defensive units.
Iznik vSpear in 1 -> vArcher in 1.
34 gold, -1 gpt, Alphabet in 10.
[IBT]
German Archer defeats the Spear defending the Worker at Antayla, but the eArcher saves the Worker from capture (2 of 4).
Second German Archer appears beside this one.
Iznik vArcher -> vArcher in 5.
5 0650 BC
Antayla is now connected. Too dangerous to improve this BG right now. Worker moves into Antayla and then south of the city, to connect a second way to Istanbul (but this road will also cross the river that borders Istanbul).
eArcher moves into Antayla.
vSpear and vArcher in Uskudar moves into Antayla.
Newer vSpear and vArcher move into Uskudar and fortify.
Tobacco Smoke is founded; begins walls.
New Archer from Isnik moves to Tobacco Smoke.
Second Spear arrives at Incense Colony and fortifies.
One Archer in Kyoto, as we pincushion one rSpear, another rSpear remaining (3 of 5). Army at 7/13.
We decimate that rSpear, with no Archer to interfere, leaving only the lone vArcher defending, but the Army is now at 4/13 and is redlined (4 of 6).
Only units that can attack on the IBT are in Kyoto, which has only the vArcher left.
33 gold, +1 gpt, Alphabet in 8.
[IBT]
Japanese units head to Kyoto/redlined Archer Army.
Green Horses show up.
One German Archers moves onto the mountain by Antayla, other fortifies and heals.
German rSpear 2N of Aydin, threatening our Worker.
Istanbul vHorse -> vHorse in 3.
6 0630 BC
Archer Army moves 2E, mountain to mountain, and is now outside of Japan. Can be attacked by an rArcher, but that rArcher could attack the Army where it is now with the same odds. Outside of Japan, the Army will heal faster.
North of Tobacco Smoke, Worker and Slaves mine.
SE of Aydin, mine completed, begin to road.
Worker N of Aydin is waken and moves into Aydin.
At Antyla, the Green Horses are from Persia. Total of three, all Regulars, in two tiles. They are drawn to the undefended Worker.
eArcher drives off one Horse 1W of Antayla(which counts as a victory of sorts) (5 of 7).
vArcher scatters the other Horse in that tile (6 of 8).
Move vSpear to protect the now exposed vArcher.
Reinforce with 2nd vArcher, since these units could face three counterattacks (1 Persian, 2 German) on the IBT.
Forgot about the 1st vHorse in Istanbul. It destroys the lone redlined Horse and moves to join the stack outside of Antayla (7 of 9) (Great place for a Star Trek: Voyager joke, but I can't think of any!).
Worker S of Antayla begins to road.
Cycle through the cities and swap some tiles around.
Two settler complete this IBT. We have a place for one, down by the Incense Colony.
35 gold, +2 gpt, Alphabet in 7.
[IBT]
Kyoto is reinforced; our Archer Army is untouched.
Japanese Spears heading for Tobacco Smoke.
Two German Archers on that mountain by Antayla.
Persian Horse is now SW of Antayla.
Edrine settler -> vHorse in 4.
Bursa settler -> vHorse in 5.
7 0610 BC
eArcher picks off the redlined Persian Horse (8 of 10).
Our vHorse dies to the good health vHorse of Persia (8 of 11).
vArcher hamstrings that vHorse for good and becomes Elite (9 of 12).
No more Persians visible.
One German Archer persishes on the mountain NW of Antayla (10 of 13).
Move vSpear into Antayla, now two defenders here.
Move vSpear from Uskudar to protect wounded vArcher.
Remaining German vArcher has four targets, two fortified vSpears and two eArchers.
Archer Army heals.
Worker in Aytlin moves to mine the BG north of Iznik.
Settler in Bursa heads towards Incense.
Other settler heads SW.
37 gold, +1 gpt, Alphabet in 7.
[IBT]
Archer Army fends off 1 vArcher and is reduced to 1HP (11 of 14).
It dies to an rArcher (11 of 15).
German Archer defeats the eArcher SW of Antayla (11 of 16).
German vChariot shows up 1N of Antayla. First time I've seen on of those.
8 0590 BC
Wake vArcher in Uskudar and eradicate the wounded eArcher of Germany (12 of 17).
Send vSpear and wounded vArcher into Uskudar.
Lone eArcher moves onto a road, 3 tiles from the vChariot.
Second road from Istanbul to Antayla complete, Worker mines the grass.
Two Workers meet on the BG north of Iznik.
SettlerToIncense arrives at the grass NE of Incense Colony.
SettlerToSomewhere, which I thought we could use to resettle Japan, stays in Bursa.
Up science to 90%.
38 gold, -4 gpt, Alphabet in 5.
Istanbul vHorse -> vHorse in 3.
Iznik vArcher -> vArcher in 4.
[IBT]
9 0570 BC
German rSpear is now SE of Aydin. It promotes the vArcher in Aydin to eArcher (13 of 18).
Slaves road the mined BG north of Tobacco Smoke. Worker moves 1W, to road.
Two Workers north of Iznik mine the BG.
Intense Incense is founded and starts on walls.
Two vSpear on the Incense move into the city.
vArcher in Tobacco Smoke jumps on an rSpear from Japan (14 of 19).
New vHorse in Istanbul heads SW to deal with Japan.
From Iznik, move vSpear to protect redlined vArcher, and move vArcher into Tobacco Smoke, leaving vArcher in Iznik.
34 gold, -4 gpt, Alphabet in 4.
[IBT]
Two Persian rWarriors show up.
Japan focuses on Tobacco Smoke.
Uskudar barracks -> vHorse in 6.
Aydin barracks -> vHorse in 8.
10 0550 BC
eArcher outside Aydin heals in place.
vArcher has target practise on wounded rSpear outside of Tobacco Smoke (15 of 20).
Second vSpear moves into Tobacco Smoke.
Redlined vArcher does the same.
Redlined vArcher in Antayla moves to Uskudar for the barracks.
Worker SE of Intense Incense begins road.
SettlerToSomewhere is foritifed SE of Bursa.
30 gold, -6 gpt, Alphabet in 3.
[IBT]
The save is attached.
30% Tax
70% Science
00% Luxury
17 gold, +2 gpt
Horseback Riding in 3 turns. (What's next?)
City Builds
- Istanbul (5) vArcher in 3, grows in 5.
- Edrine (5) vSpear in 1, grows in 3.
- Bursa (5) vSpear in 3, grows in 5.
- Iznik (3) vSpear in 5, grows in 4.
- Uskudar (2) barracks in 11, grows in 7.
- Aydin (1) walls in 8, grows in 8.
02 Settlers
04 Workers
02 Slaves
10 Archer
12 Spear
01 Army
Current Units: 29
Allowed Units: 24
Support Costs: 5 gpt
Compared to Germany we are Weak.
Compared to Japan we are Average.
01 Horse connected.
02 Furs connected.
01 Incense connected (Colony).
City Count
09 Persia
06 Ottomania (us)
04 Germany
04 Japan
Brief Looksee at the Map
Six more Furs are visible in the Great Forests to our north.
A lone Incense is stuck on a coastal hill to the north-east.
Another Horse is in the hills to the east.
There is also a clump of Incense between us and Japan.
No enemies are visible anywhere.
We have two settlers in motion, one to the NE of Istanbul, two turns away from a new city (one to move and then we build) and the other N of Bursa, destination unknown. We are rather cramped for space to the north, with the Great Forest limiting where we can build and easily improve. Towards Japan we have more open green and that looks better right now.
[IBT 0750 BC]
Edrine vSpear -> vSpear in 3.
1 0730 BC
Worker SE of Aydin moves to unimproved BG SW of Aydin, to mine and road.
Aydin walls in 7 -> barracks in 17, so as not to waste the chop.
New Spear from Edrine heads to the NE, to help establish our new city.
Worker SE of Edrine moves NE to connect our new city.
Settler pair move NE, now CxxC from Istanbul, ready to build next turn. However, it will take two turns to move from Istanbul to here, due to the rivers.
Other Settler and Spear join up W of Bursa.
eArcher joins vSpear on a hill 2S of the Incense Colony.
Archer Army (10/13) heals outside of Japan.
19 gold, +1 gpt, HBR in 2.
2 0710 BC
Antalya is founded, begins a barracks.
Two Japanese rArchers come into sight near our Archer/Spear pair, Fortify the Spear.
Settler pair moves to 1S of Iznit.
Worker/slaves 1S of Iznit, task completed, move 1S.
Begin to mine the BG SW of Aydin; only four turns instead of six because we are IND (I forgot that we were
).Archer Army moves 2W, mountain to mountain and ends 1NE of Kyoto (2). Horrible location for a capital, a grassland tile that has one mountain and three marsh tiles in the tiles around the city and nine marsh tiles in the Fat-21. An rSpear defends the city.
20 gold, +13 gpt (science down to 60%), HBR in 1.
Sister in law called during the IBT, so I missed some AI movement.
Horseback Riding -> Alphabet in 15 (and leads to Mathematics and Catapults).
Istanbul vArcher -> vHorse in 4.
Bursa vSpear -> settler in 4.
3 0690 BC
Edrine, now size 6, goes cranky; happy slider to 10%.
Our eArcher dies after promoting Japanese rArcher to vArcher (0 of 1).
2nd vSpear arrives in Antalya.
Forest chopped N of Aydin, worker mines the uncovered grassland.
New Archer heads SW towards Japan.
New Spear heads towards Japan, also.
Archer Army takes out 2 rSpears in Kyoto (2 of 3) at least one more left.
Archer Army is at 6/13, on a mountain.
Raise science to 80%.
33 gold, +1 gpt, Alphabet in 11.
Archer Army pings a passing Spear.
German Archer appears near Antayla.
Edrine vSpear -> settler in 3.
4 0670 BC
Allow Army to heal.
Kyoto at size 1.
German vArcher threatens the worker connecting Antayla. Move Spear to protect Worker. Wake eArcher in Uskadar and move to protect Worker.
Settler pair move onto the Tobacco southish of Iznik, still CxxC from Iznik.
New vSpear heads to Uskudar, which has only one Spear for defense.
Looks like Japan is heading towards the Incense Colony. And all we have around are defensive units.
Iznik vSpear in 1 -> vArcher in 1.
34 gold, -1 gpt, Alphabet in 10.
German Archer defeats the Spear defending the Worker at Antayla, but the eArcher saves the Worker from capture (2 of 4).
Second German Archer appears beside this one.
Iznik vArcher -> vArcher in 5.
5 0650 BC
Antayla is now connected. Too dangerous to improve this BG right now. Worker moves into Antayla and then south of the city, to connect a second way to Istanbul (but this road will also cross the river that borders Istanbul).
eArcher moves into Antayla.
vSpear and vArcher in Uskudar moves into Antayla.
Newer vSpear and vArcher move into Uskudar and fortify.
Tobacco Smoke is founded; begins walls.
New Archer from Isnik moves to Tobacco Smoke.
Second Spear arrives at Incense Colony and fortifies.
One Archer in Kyoto, as we pincushion one rSpear, another rSpear remaining (3 of 5). Army at 7/13.
We decimate that rSpear, with no Archer to interfere, leaving only the lone vArcher defending, but the Army is now at 4/13 and is redlined (4 of 6).
Only units that can attack on the IBT are in Kyoto, which has only the vArcher left.
33 gold, +1 gpt, Alphabet in 8.
Japanese units head to Kyoto/redlined Archer Army.
Green Horses show up.
One German Archers moves onto the mountain by Antayla, other fortifies and heals.
German rSpear 2N of Aydin, threatening our Worker.
Istanbul vHorse -> vHorse in 3.
6 0630 BC
Archer Army moves 2E, mountain to mountain, and is now outside of Japan. Can be attacked by an rArcher, but that rArcher could attack the Army where it is now with the same odds. Outside of Japan, the Army will heal faster.
North of Tobacco Smoke, Worker and Slaves mine.
SE of Aydin, mine completed, begin to road.
Worker N of Aydin is waken and moves into Aydin.
At Antyla, the Green Horses are from Persia. Total of three, all Regulars, in two tiles. They are drawn to the undefended Worker.
eArcher drives off one Horse 1W of Antayla(which counts as a victory of sorts) (5 of 7).
vArcher scatters the other Horse in that tile (6 of 8).
Move vSpear to protect the now exposed vArcher.
Reinforce with 2nd vArcher, since these units could face three counterattacks (1 Persian, 2 German) on the IBT.
Forgot about the 1st vHorse in Istanbul. It destroys the lone redlined Horse and moves to join the stack outside of Antayla (7 of 9) (Great place for a Star Trek: Voyager joke, but I can't think of any!).
Worker S of Antayla begins to road.
Cycle through the cities and swap some tiles around.
Two settler complete this IBT. We have a place for one, down by the Incense Colony.
35 gold, +2 gpt, Alphabet in 7.
Kyoto is reinforced; our Archer Army is untouched.
Japanese Spears heading for Tobacco Smoke.
Two German Archers on that mountain by Antayla.
Persian Horse is now SW of Antayla.
Edrine settler -> vHorse in 4.
Bursa settler -> vHorse in 5.
7 0610 BC
eArcher picks off the redlined Persian Horse (8 of 10).
Our vHorse dies to the good health vHorse of Persia (8 of 11).
vArcher hamstrings that vHorse for good and becomes Elite (9 of 12).
No more Persians visible.
One German Archer persishes on the mountain NW of Antayla (10 of 13).
Move vSpear into Antayla, now two defenders here.
Move vSpear from Uskudar to protect wounded vArcher.
Remaining German vArcher has four targets, two fortified vSpears and two eArchers.
Archer Army heals.
Worker in Aytlin moves to mine the BG north of Iznik.
Settler in Bursa heads towards Incense.
Other settler heads SW.
37 gold, +1 gpt, Alphabet in 7.
Archer Army fends off 1 vArcher and is reduced to 1HP (11 of 14).
It dies to an rArcher (11 of 15).
German Archer defeats the eArcher SW of Antayla (11 of 16).
German vChariot shows up 1N of Antayla. First time I've seen on of those.
8 0590 BC
Wake vArcher in Uskudar and eradicate the wounded eArcher of Germany (12 of 17).
Send vSpear and wounded vArcher into Uskudar.
Lone eArcher moves onto a road, 3 tiles from the vChariot.
Second road from Istanbul to Antayla complete, Worker mines the grass.
Two Workers meet on the BG north of Iznik.
SettlerToIncense arrives at the grass NE of Incense Colony.
SettlerToSomewhere, which I thought we could use to resettle Japan, stays in Bursa.
Up science to 90%.
38 gold, -4 gpt, Alphabet in 5.
Iznik vArcher -> vArcher in 4.
[IBT]
9 0570 BC
German rSpear is now SE of Aydin. It promotes the vArcher in Aydin to eArcher (13 of 18).
Slaves road the mined BG north of Tobacco Smoke. Worker moves 1W, to road.
Two Workers north of Iznik mine the BG.
Intense Incense is founded and starts on walls.
Two vSpear on the Incense move into the city.
vArcher in Tobacco Smoke jumps on an rSpear from Japan (14 of 19).
New vHorse in Istanbul heads SW to deal with Japan.
From Iznik, move vSpear to protect redlined vArcher, and move vArcher into Tobacco Smoke, leaving vArcher in Iznik.
34 gold, -4 gpt, Alphabet in 4.
Two Persian rWarriors show up.
Japan focuses on Tobacco Smoke.
Uskudar barracks -> vHorse in 6.
Aydin barracks -> vHorse in 8.
10 0550 BC
eArcher outside Aydin heals in place.
vArcher has target practise on wounded rSpear outside of Tobacco Smoke (15 of 20).
Second vSpear moves into Tobacco Smoke.
Redlined vArcher does the same.
Redlined vArcher in Antayla moves to Uskudar for the barracks.
Worker SE of Intense Incense begins road.
SettlerToSomewhere is foritifed SE of Bursa.
30 gold, -6 gpt, Alphabet in 3.
The save is attached.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Three new cities built and the Archer Army was lost. One unsettled Settler.
Southeast Ottoman Area 0550 BC
Japan is on the march and seems to be heading to Tobacco Smoke. The stack is two Archers, one Regular and one Veteran. Another rArcher is one tile behind.
And you can see the yucky terrain around Kyoto. Ugh!
Ottoman Core 550 BC
Rather quiet right now. Both Antayla and Uskudar have three units. I would like a vSpear on the mountain NW of Antayla, just so nobody else can get there.
SettlerToSomewhere, fortified, is visible SE of Bursa.
Military
01 Settler
04 Worker
02 Slaves
08 Archer
14 Spear
01 Horse
00 Army
Current Units: 28
Allowed Units: 36
Support Costs: +0 gpt
Compared to Germany we are Strong.
Compared to Japan we are Strong.
Compared to Persia we are Weak.
City Count
11 Persia
09 Ottomania (us)
05 Germany
04 Japan
Southeast Ottoman Area 0550 BC
Spoiler :
Japan is on the march and seems to be heading to Tobacco Smoke. The stack is two Archers, one Regular and one Veteran. Another rArcher is one tile behind.
And you can see the yucky terrain around Kyoto. Ugh!
Ottoman Core 550 BC
Spoiler :
Rather quiet right now. Both Antayla and Uskudar have three units. I would like a vSpear on the mountain NW of Antayla, just so nobody else can get there.
SettlerToSomewhere, fortified, is visible SE of Bursa.
Military
01 Settler
04 Worker
02 Slaves
08 Archer
14 Spear
01 Horse
00 Army
Current Units: 28
Allowed Units: 36
Support Costs: +0 gpt
Compared to Germany we are Strong.
Compared to Japan we are Strong.
Compared to Persia we are Weak.
City Count
11 Persia
09 Ottomania (us)
05 Germany
04 Japan
So the Archer Army was on the mountain with 4 hp, healed once for 7 hp, but still got attacked by an archer when on the mountain and took 6 hp and was then killed - Is that correct? I thought it would have been unlikely to be attacked with 7 HP on a mountain by an Archer, though sometimes random units attack armies next to a city. I mostly want to know for my own benefit as Archer armies are rare and I want to know what they can and cannot do.
I think it would have been good to keep 2 Spear with the Archer army at all times and stuck to mountains as much as possible. We should do this if we build another.
Ok, I got it.
Roster:
Greebley - Up
markh - On Deck
ThERat
Commando Bob - Just Played
Northern Pike - Away until March
I think it would have been good to keep 2 Spear with the Archer army at all times and stuck to mountains as much as possible. We should do this if we build another.
Ok, I got it.
Roster:
Greebley - Up
markh - On Deck
ThERat
Commando Bob - Just Played
Northern Pike - Away until March
Preturn: Edrine is at +3 food because it is working some Forests. I think it a good idea when towns with bonus food grow to keep them at +4 food. I can see the capitol staying on +3 because it gets 10 shields but not Edrine. Otherwise things look good.
IBT Several Japanese Archers about - 5 total two next to the town.
530 BC: Kill one Japanese Archer and the two Persian units. Attack the German Chariot but it retreats. Cover Archer with a Spear. Science can go down to 50% with Alphabet still in 2.
Notice the fortified Settler and wake it. I think I will settle to the N of Bursa. We want our empire to be thicker than just one city and so need to push toward Germany and Persia.
IBT: 4 Archers next to Tobacco Smoke.
510 BC: Our offensive units in Tobacco Smoke are Injured so I decide to defend. Move a 3rd Spear into the city. Attack Chariot and it retreats again.
IBT: First two Japanese Archers do no damage sending the Spear to Elite. The 3rd kills our new Elite Spear. Another Archer shows up so there are 3 next to our city. We get Alphabet and start Math.
490 BC: Build the city of Somewhere 3 N of Bursa. Kill off the final 3 Japanese Archers. Attack Chariot again and it retreats yet again. We have driven it back 3 squares now. Note the attacking archer has a Spear defending it.
IBT: A German Archer is coming near so the Chariot has escaped. Head back toward town.
470 BC: No units nearby. I am working on more units that I think we need to expand.
450 BC: Spot a Japanese Settler and send a force after it. Only one Japanese Archer in Sight.
430 BC: A Persian warrior Spotted. Intense Incense may be the target of both it and the Jap Archer.
IBT: Well crud. A new color. Purple settler pair They are down near Japan. I think there is a whole section down there.
410 BC: Purple is the dread Iroquois. They are down HBR. They have 13 cities + the captiol and will be our biggest foe. I think they came by land up from the South, but it is possible a boat dropped them and then they moved. If they did come from the south we may have some big battles on the Japanese choke point.
Kill off Settler gaining two workers.
390 BC: Build Salonika, our first coastal city and Ankara near the Jungles/forest. Second Iroquois settler spotted.
370 BC: Kill a German Archer up North.
IBT: Persian Horseman spotted. We need to be more careful now.
350 BC: Attack the Chariot and it retreats from the same poor Archer a fourth time. Fortunately, this time another Archer can kill it
Notes:
We have a little time to set up a choke for the Iroquois units. Fortunately, they did not yet have their UU, but it can't be long.
I would keep Germany and Persia from meeting Iroquois and Japan.
We now have two civs to the North and two to the South. Also lacking Iron is going to make this game very difficult and we may not be able to win. We may want to explore more North for Iron.
I was thinking we should take out Japan first, but now it is looking like we want to go after Germany and Persia first and keep our short front with Japan and Iroquois. The only thing that may save us is the choke to the south. Without that this game would be doomed for sure.
I am hoping there aren't civs behind Germany and Persia. We will be in real trouble then. Unfortunately, this seems very possible and perhaps even likely.
Started a Curragh to find out the shape of the land. I would send one North first to find out about the Germans and Persians. A second south is unlikely to be harmful.
The South:
The North:
IBT Several Japanese Archers about - 5 total two next to the town.
530 BC: Kill one Japanese Archer and the two Persian units. Attack the German Chariot but it retreats. Cover Archer with a Spear. Science can go down to 50% with Alphabet still in 2.
Notice the fortified Settler and wake it. I think I will settle to the N of Bursa. We want our empire to be thicker than just one city and so need to push toward Germany and Persia.
IBT: 4 Archers next to Tobacco Smoke.
510 BC: Our offensive units in Tobacco Smoke are Injured so I decide to defend. Move a 3rd Spear into the city. Attack Chariot and it retreats again.
IBT: First two Japanese Archers do no damage sending the Spear to Elite. The 3rd kills our new Elite Spear. Another Archer shows up so there are 3 next to our city. We get Alphabet and start Math.
490 BC: Build the city of Somewhere 3 N of Bursa. Kill off the final 3 Japanese Archers. Attack Chariot again and it retreats yet again. We have driven it back 3 squares now. Note the attacking archer has a Spear defending it.
IBT: A German Archer is coming near so the Chariot has escaped. Head back toward town.
470 BC: No units nearby. I am working on more units that I think we need to expand.
450 BC: Spot a Japanese Settler and send a force after it. Only one Japanese Archer in Sight.
430 BC: A Persian warrior Spotted. Intense Incense may be the target of both it and the Jap Archer.
IBT: Well crud. A new color. Purple settler pair They are down near Japan. I think there is a whole section down there.
410 BC: Purple is the dread Iroquois. They are down HBR. They have 13 cities + the captiol and will be our biggest foe. I think they came by land up from the South, but it is possible a boat dropped them and then they moved. If they did come from the south we may have some big battles on the Japanese choke point.
Kill off Settler gaining two workers.
390 BC: Build Salonika, our first coastal city and Ankara near the Jungles/forest. Second Iroquois settler spotted.
370 BC: Kill a German Archer up North.
IBT: Persian Horseman spotted. We need to be more careful now.
350 BC: Attack the Chariot and it retreats from the same poor Archer a fourth time. Fortunately, this time another Archer can kill it
Notes:
We have a little time to set up a choke for the Iroquois units. Fortunately, they did not yet have their UU, but it can't be long.
I would keep Germany and Persia from meeting Iroquois and Japan.
We now have two civs to the North and two to the South. Also lacking Iron is going to make this game very difficult and we may not be able to win. We may want to explore more North for Iron.
I was thinking we should take out Japan first, but now it is looking like we want to go after Germany and Persia first and keep our short front with Japan and Iroquois. The only thing that may save us is the choke to the south. Without that this game would be doomed for sure.
I am hoping there aren't civs behind Germany and Persia. We will be in real trouble then. Unfortunately, this seems very possible and perhaps even likely.
Started a Curragh to find out the shape of the land. I would send one North first to find out about the Germans and Persians. A second south is unlikely to be harmful.
The South:
The North:
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
No, not quite.
It was down to 4HP from attacking Kyoto. On that IBT, it was not attacked. On the following turn I moved it from mountain to mountain. During this IBT, still at 4HP, it was attacked and killed. It never got a chance to heal.
Lurker:
I guess you will know better than move a def 1 army while it is yellow now. At least not while it is exposed to attack.
I guess you will know better than move a def 1 army while it is yellow now. At least not while it is exposed to attack.
ThERat
Deity
I knew the archer army is weak. At least we got a settler pair and can build the HE now. If we get another army, do we build a horse army?
It will be a while until we get better units without iron. This game might get very tough for a while. We better expand fast.
It will be a while until we get better units without iron. This game might get very tough for a while. We better expand fast.
I would get pottery next.
IBT : the Iros settle a city NW of Kyoto and another settler/spear combo moves in from the South
a Persian archer and horseman appear near Uskudar and Somewhere
1) 330BC : vet hosre loses to reg Persian horse near Uskudar (0-1)
vet archer takes out that horse (1-1)
IBT : another Iro settler/spear combo arrives from Kyoto
2) 310BC : ehorse loses to reg Japanese archer Tobacco (1-2)
archer takes down one of the Iro settler/spear combos (2-2)
IBT : at Tobacco our spear defends against 2 Japanese archers (4-2)
a German sword appears from our NE
3) 290BC : archer dies attacking a reg Japanese spear at Tobacco (4-3)
horseman also dies on that pesky Japanese spear (4-4)
archer finally kills it (5-4)
archer kills a spear and razes Iro Oka (6-4)
archer dies attacking the German sword (6-5)
horseman kills the sword (7-5)
IBT : a Persian archer suicides attacking Somewhere (8-5)
4) 270BC : not much
IBT : a Persian horseman retreats attacking Ankara
Some more Persian units appear North of Somewhere
5) 250BC : horse kills Persian horse near Uskudar (9-5)
horse kills the retreated Persian horse at Ankara (10-5)
IBT : a Persian horse retreats attacking Uskudar
More Persian horses arrive near Uskudar
Another German sword arrives from the NE
Maths -> Pottery
6) 230BC : archer dies attacking the last Iro settler/spear combo (10-6)
archer kills that spear and we have two more slaves (11-6)
horse dies attacking a Persian horse at Uskudar (11-7)
archer retreats a Persian horse at Uskudar
IBT : The German sword dies attacking our newly founded Denizli
7) 210BC : archer retreats Persian horse at Uskudar
horse kills Persian horse at Uskudar (12-7)
IBT : just AI movements
8) 190BC : horse kills Persian archer st Edrine (13-7)
horse takes down a Persian horse at Edrine (14-7)
horse tramples a Persian spear at Aydin (15-7)
earcher smacks a Persian archer at Edrine (16-7)
IBT : our Southern curragh is sunk by a Japanese one (16-8)
The Iros send their first stack consisting of several archers from the South
9) 170Bc : ehorse kills a Persian warrior at Edrine (17-8)
horse takes down a Persian spear at Aydin (18-8)
IBT : Pottery -> CB
10) 150BC : no fights, just positioning troops
For the next player : Beware, there is a German sword in the mountains E NE of Antalya !
a Persian archer and horseman appear near Uskudar and Somewhere
1) 330BC : vet hosre loses to reg Persian horse near Uskudar (0-1)
vet archer takes out that horse (1-1)
IBT : another Iro settler/spear combo arrives from Kyoto
2) 310BC : ehorse loses to reg Japanese archer Tobacco (1-2)
archer takes down one of the Iro settler/spear combos (2-2)
IBT : at Tobacco our spear defends against 2 Japanese archers (4-2)
a German sword appears from our NE
3) 290BC : archer dies attacking a reg Japanese spear at Tobacco (4-3)
horseman also dies on that pesky Japanese spear (4-4)
archer finally kills it (5-4)
archer kills a spear and razes Iro Oka (6-4)
archer dies attacking the German sword (6-5)
horseman kills the sword (7-5)
IBT : a Persian archer suicides attacking Somewhere (8-5)
4) 270BC : not much
IBT : a Persian horseman retreats attacking Ankara
Some more Persian units appear North of Somewhere
5) 250BC : horse kills Persian horse near Uskudar (9-5)
horse kills the retreated Persian horse at Ankara (10-5)
IBT : a Persian horse retreats attacking Uskudar
More Persian horses arrive near Uskudar
Another German sword arrives from the NE
Maths -> Pottery
6) 230BC : archer dies attacking the last Iro settler/spear combo (10-6)
archer kills that spear and we have two more slaves (11-6)
horse dies attacking a Persian horse at Uskudar (11-7)
archer retreats a Persian horse at Uskudar
IBT : The German sword dies attacking our newly founded Denizli
7) 210BC : archer retreats Persian horse at Uskudar
horse kills Persian horse at Uskudar (12-7)
IBT : just AI movements
8) 190BC : horse kills Persian archer st Edrine (13-7)
horse takes down a Persian horse at Edrine (14-7)
horse tramples a Persian spear at Aydin (15-7)
earcher smacks a Persian archer at Edrine (16-7)
IBT : our Southern curragh is sunk by a Japanese one (16-8)
The Iros send their first stack consisting of several archers from the South
9) 170Bc : ehorse kills a Persian warrior at Edrine (17-8)
horse takes down a Persian spear at Aydin (18-8)
IBT : Pottery -> CB
10) 150BC : no fights, just positioning troops
For the next player : Beware, there is a German sword in the mountains E NE of Antalya !
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M60A3TTS
Ex-treadhead
At least one good sign so far is that Hiawatha hasn't showed up with any MWs yet. No immortals either IIRC. Maybe you've caught a break there.
ThERat
Deity
got it, but most likely play this sunday...
This is ugly without iron. We need to find this sooner or later. Maybe we can explore to the north. At least we would know in which direction to expand.
This is ugly without iron. We need to find this sooner or later. Maybe we can explore to the north. At least we would know in which direction to expand.
I think exploring is a good idea.
ThERat
Deity
Pre-Turn
MM a little but nth much
we're a little thin on units
IT a new civ shows up, later turns out to be Portugal
Persia attacks and retreats at Uskudar, other units bypass our frontline
this is always the case if our core is weaker defended
1. 130BC
declare on Portugal and defeat 2 Persian archers, 2 horses and 1 German sword
the west is so lightly defended, I switch some builds to spears
IT defeat Persian horse on defense [6-0]
2. 110BC
retreat aginst archer
IT lose spear on defense [6-1]
3. 90BC
more enemies show up and things get dicey already
take out 2 Persian archers [8-1]
IT what a tough turn, but we go 6-1 on defense, lucky RnG [14-2]
we get CB as well, take the next cheapest tech that is mysticism
4. 70BC
get new settler into position, attack with 2 horses but take out 1 Iro archer only
they come in big numbers now
IT a new Civ shows up with a galley..what map is this?
win against 1 archer
5. 50BC
declare war on the Dutch, they are big with 23 cities
IT we go 2-0 on defense, but japan and iro + persia move into our territory
6. 30BC
three cats we have do their job and ping units
take out 1 spear, then 2 Japanese horses and an archer losing a horse
IT we lose 1 exposed archer but defeat 2 Iro archers, only to spot their UU...I think that will spell the end
7. 10BC
defeat wounded Jap horse, lose an archer but take out an intruder spear
take out a red spear from Persia
IT defeat against 4 Iro archers and get MGL in the process
we get mysticism
8. 10AD
I stop here so we can decide what we do with our MGL
I personally am not sure, whether to rush the HE, get a spear or horse army?
Anyway, with so many enemies and no iron this game might be doomed
MM a little but nth much
we're a little thin on units
IT a new civ shows up, later turns out to be Portugal
Persia attacks and retreats at Uskudar, other units bypass our frontline
this is always the case if our core is weaker defended
1. 130BC
declare on Portugal and defeat 2 Persian archers, 2 horses and 1 German sword
the west is so lightly defended, I switch some builds to spears
IT defeat Persian horse on defense [6-0]
2. 110BC
retreat aginst archer
IT lose spear on defense [6-1]
3. 90BC
more enemies show up and things get dicey already
take out 2 Persian archers [8-1]
IT what a tough turn, but we go 6-1 on defense, lucky RnG [14-2]
we get CB as well, take the next cheapest tech that is mysticism
4. 70BC
get new settler into position, attack with 2 horses but take out 1 Iro archer only
they come in big numbers now
IT a new Civ shows up with a galley..what map is this?
win against 1 archer
5. 50BC
declare war on the Dutch, they are big with 23 cities
IT we go 2-0 on defense, but japan and iro + persia move into our territory
6. 30BC
three cats we have do their job and ping units
take out 1 spear, then 2 Japanese horses and an archer losing a horse
IT we lose 1 exposed archer but defeat 2 Iro archers, only to spot their UU...I think that will spell the end
7. 10BC
defeat wounded Jap horse, lose an archer but take out an intruder spear
take out a red spear from Persia
IT defeat against 4 Iro archers and get MGL in the process
we get mysticism
8. 10AD
I stop here so we can decide what we do with our MGL
I personally am not sure, whether to rush the HE, get a spear or horse army?
Anyway, with so many enemies and no iron this game might be doomed
I think our only hope it to continue to push westward and hope we hit iron. Continue with Settlers and expansion. Stalling will mean death.
I would also build a good number of Catapults to bombard units in mountains. Their attack will be higher than our defense so we want to injure them all which will take Catapult fire power.
I do agree we will probably end up losing, but I want to keep going until it is clear that we are lost. Overrunning the south for example.
I would also build a good number of Catapults to bombard units in mountains. Their attack will be higher than our defense so we want to injure them all which will take Catapult fire power.
I do agree we will probably end up losing, but I want to keep going until it is clear that we are lost. Overrunning the south for example.
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