Graphics Request - Religious Symbols

[Martinus]

I am planning to make a European Christian religions mod (for my reformation scenario), replacing existing religions with various sects of Christianity. What I need however are symbols for each of these religions and would be most grateful if some kind soul would make them for me.

I am planning to use the present simple Christianity cross for Protestantism and would like also something like the following:

Catholicism:

Orthodoxy:

I would be grateful to anyone who would be willing to make them.



For those interested, Catholicism would become available with Theology, Orthodoxy with Divine Right (replacing Islam) and Protestantism with Printing Press.

 

[Fëanor]

Nice idea, but are you just gonna generalize all Protestant branches into one or will you make more that the above mentioned 3 religions?

Here is a list of over 250 Christian church brances, i hope it will be usefull

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

 

[Martinus]

I am not sure yet. For now I wish to have those three only, and use it for my normal games to test it, with 5-7 "European" AIs. I have found out that the standard number of 7 religions in game is too much when you have less than 10 players, since everybody usually manages to get a religion or two and the entire concept of religious "blocks" falls apart.

I have been playing recently with 6 civs and 3 religions, and it is much more fun to rush to an early religion, and then spread it to your neighbours, while another religion is founded in a far off land and spreads to its neighbours as well - this usually starts friendships, alliances and hatreds that last the entire game.

 

[grallon]

Marty, I tried emailing you and got an error from the hotmail server. Is your address still valid ? I want to know what's happening with our usual hangout place...

Sorry to barge off topic in the thread



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[Martinus]

Marty, I tried emailing you and got an error from the hotmail server. Is your address still valid ? I want to know what's happening with our usual hangout place...

Sorry to barge off topic in the thread



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Heya, my hotmail account is long dead I fear - I registered here several years ago.

Our usual place is down due to server meltdown. I will PM you the new temporary hangout ad.

Edit: Errr, no PM here it seems. Are you registered at Apolyton?

 

[grallon]

Heya, my hotmail account is long dead I fear - I registered here several years ago.

Our usual place is down due to server meltdown. I will PM you the new temporary hangout ad.

Edit: Errr, no PM here it seems. Are you registered at Apolyton?

Locked out from Apolyton and MSN appears dead these days as well.

Oh well - any ETA as to when the shop will be back up and running ?

I wonder if Sad... was behind it again ?



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[Tabris]

Sorry for not cutting only hte cross from the picture, but the symbol that would be more commonly associated with the eastern orthodox church would be this cross in the middle of this pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Orthodox_prayer_corner.jpg

It's also the simbol used in Europa Universalis 1 and 2 for the religion and as i never saw a realism mod changing it i beleave this is the symbol you are seeking.

 

[Alone]

@ Martinus The idea is good.

Also like your observation that is too many religious when playing with less than 10 players per game.

For some scenarios (or game version) it would be nice to keep Islam (or even ad Shi'a islam), so maybe some other solution than "overtake" Devine rights.

And at the end why I was actually wanted to post this mail:

The crosses that you (and Tabris) showed are very confusing for me... reason... in my Fatherland - which is VERY Ortodox - The crosses as simbol of ortodoxy look excatly like yours that should represent Catholicsm. So something wrong there...

 

[anjf]

if you have lutheranisme in your senario, a pictur for that could perhapse be a big bord with words on it, to show the quotes that luther hammered on a church, and from which is said that his hammer could be heard all over europe. If you only make one protestant religone this could be the picture as well(same reason as above) or a book, like the book of erasmus which started the reformation.

 

[Alone]

One more idea how to present those three parts of Christianity.. Maybe you'll liked it.
anjf gave me an idea by mentioned the books. All three of them have something that is same "a book" - Bible. Ones when I was in Germany noticed that signs for showing the direction of some chuches are in diferent colors (depends of what kind of a church it is - like RC in yellow and Evangelist in Purple).
So what I suggest is just to put three bibles in diferent colors and not this confused crosses (Remande you that -for example that Ortodox cross you propose is on the flag of one "catholic country" Slovakia, and is more in use in Russia I think, and Russian is not the only Ortodox church nor the oldest )

This is how that should look like - yellow RomanC, blue Ortodox, purple Protestants

 

[grallon]

It is possible to create new religions yes ? I'd like to have one especially for the likes of Greece, Rome or Egypt and representing the various pantheons these Civs developed separately. Something different than the 6 great religions modeled at the moment. So I presume we have to edit the religion XML and then add all the parallel definitions in the various text/pedia XLMs as well... and the graphics / sounds of course...

But all this is tied with the enhanced techtree - as of now there simply is not enough techs to go around.



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[NickSD]

Perfect choices!

Please PM me when you finish this scenario! I'd love to have it.

Nick

 

[Alone]

It is possible to create new religions yes ? .... So I presume we have to edit the religion XML and then add all the parallel definitions in the various text/pedia XLMs as well... and the graphics / sounds of course...

But all this is tied with the enhanced techtree - as of now there simply is not enough techs to go around.
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Well, I really doin't know much about that, but I think you're right about the idea how to change tech tree (that will be necessery, like in Conquest Age of Exploration or simular), 'couse it'll not work with this technologies.

Also Martinus or other who'll make this kind of scenario, here is my another sugestion:

Since Catholicism was not older than Ortodoxy! It should be better if Civs first just discovered Christianity (with the sign as in game now). And than somehow in one point split it into Orto & Catho, and after that /when discovered Luthers teses, example/ split Catholicism more into Protestantism (after those spliting put that already known cross onto colored bible as I sugested).

unless you just start scenario with already asigned religious...

Whats your opinions abut that? I hope I'm not annoying with this

 

[NickSD]

Roman Catholicism came first then Eastern Orthodox split off in the Great Schism.

Nick

 

[Alone]

Roman Catholicism came first then Eastern Orthodox split off in the Great Schism.

Nick

Well, fom the view of ortodoxy it was oposite thats why I suggested this way. If you know history better you'll be aware that was not any Roman Catholicsm in the begining just Christianity. No ofense please.

 

[Martinus]

Yes, but in game it would be impossible to implement, since you would have to have Christianity, Catholicism and Orthodoxy, which is silly.

 

[NickSD]

You could rename things and make it work.

 

[Thuloid]

If you divide the Protestants up at all (or just need a distinct symbol), here's one still in use--Luther's crest:

 

[grallon]

After successfully replacing Taoism with Pantheism I came to the conclusion that a mod offering significant ideological differences between the various faith would be best. Something along the following lines:


Animism: primitive for of religions with shamans, sorcerers, etc. Minor cultural advantages + lowest militancy/spreading factor;

Theocratic Polytheism (Egypt/Babylon Pantheism): increase in production + enhanced cultural impact + low militancy/spreading factor;

Humanist Polytheism (like Greece/Rome/Norse Pantheism): increased finances + enhanced cultural impact + medium militancy/spreading factor;

Philosophical Polytheism (like Hinduism): increased research abilities + enhanced cultural factor + medium militancy/spreading factor;

Theocratic Monotheism (like Islam): military bonuses for units + highest militancy/spreading factor;

Humanist Monotheism (like Christianism): financial & cultural bonuses + highest militancy/spreading factor;

Philosophical Monotheism (like Judaism): financial & scientific bonuses + low militancy/spreading factor.


One thing I wonder - if we can tie changes in the AI's traits to the adoption of any of those ? And other conditions as well - such as the presence of x type of buildings/ X % of population - etc.


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