greatest female leader
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Hmm... a hard question. There's Didda of Kashmir, Wu Zhou of China, Zenobia of Palmyra, Theodora of Eastern Rome (well technically not), Tomyris of the Massagetae, Catherine the Great of Russia, Hatshepsut of Egypt, etc. who are all able female rulers. I'll say Hatshepsut.
aaminion00
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Elizabeth the Great I'd think.
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I'd say Theodora, but if you really think she was not a true leader, then I'd say probably Catherine of Russia.
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MarIa Theresa of Austria?
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Anyone but Margret Thatcher 
I'd say Elizabeth I of England
I'd say Elizabeth I of England
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maria theresa without her austria would be prussian
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I would say Catherine the great, Elizabeth I could be very irrational and childish (just look at how she treated the Mary queen of Scots problem)
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Well, judging by my crystal ball... Hilary Clinton. 
Hmm... tossup between Catherine the Great and Queen Victoria for me... although latter had less "political" clout, as a "do as I do" figure she's a hard act to follow.
Hmm... tossup between Catherine the Great and Queen Victoria for me... although latter had less "political" clout, as a "do as I do" figure she's a hard act to follow.
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LoughlinNR said:
Yes, but against this must be placed the strengths of her reign also.
Of course Theodora wasn't a leader! She was a leader's wife. Perhaps if she had been married to a weak emperor she would have been the real power behind the throne, but she was married to Justinian the Great, one of the strongest Roman/Byzantine emperors. The first female Roman/Byzantine emperor was Irene, who was pretty powerful too.
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I would like to throw Toregene into the mix! She was every bit as capable a ruler as her husband, Ogodei, and ruled the Mongol Empire after his death in 1241.
Has any other woman ever ruled over so much of the planet?
Has any other woman ever ruled over so much of the planet?
Theodora was not the pretty sidekick of Justinian.
She ruled over the Empire while he was ill, alone. All clerks and ministers vowed on Justinian and her. She was officially appointed as co-emperor.
Justinian was still the Emperor, but his wife had great influence on him. During the Nika-uprising she urged him to stay in the city and ordered Belisarius to fight the crowd. There is a famous quote, I only know the German phrase. "The crimson is the best shroud I can imagine." - the meaning was, no Emperor that ran away ever managed to get a stable empire later on again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodora_(6th_century)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots
But well, if
Elizabeth OR Victoria OR Theodora were the greatest... how do you measure "greatness"? In Inch, like some body parts?
I am really impressed by Theodora, even if Victoria ruled an Empire where the sun never stopped shining and Elizabeth was a strong ruler, too.
Boleslav, Victoria was also Queen of India, perhaps she ruled even more land area than the mongol woman you spoke of?
She ruled over the Empire while he was ill, alone. All clerks and ministers vowed on Justinian and her. She was officially appointed as co-emperor.
Justinian was still the Emperor, but his wife had great influence on him. During the Nika-uprising she urged him to stay in the city and ordered Belisarius to fight the crowd. There is a famous quote, I only know the German phrase. "The crimson is the best shroud I can imagine." - the meaning was, no Emperor that ran away ever managed to get a stable empire later on again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodora_(6th_century)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots
But well, if
Elizabeth OR Victoria OR Theodora were the greatest... how do you measure "greatness"? In Inch, like some body parts?
I am really impressed by Theodora, even if Victoria ruled an Empire where the sun never stopped shining and Elizabeth was a strong ruler, too.
Boleslav, Victoria was also Queen of India, perhaps she ruled even more land area than the mongol woman you spoke of?
Adso de Fimnu
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Elizabeth I has been a favorite of mine, but I'm not sure she was the greatest.
Is there a reason no one has nominated Eleanor of Aquitaine?
Is there a reason no one has nominated Eleanor of Aquitaine?
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Or possibly Joan d'Arc? I don't think we need a backstory there... Then again, she was more of a general than a leader.
I would have to say Queen Elizabeth I of England, though there are many to choose from and its difficult to compare... Nonetheless, Elizabeth brought England from being a relatively weak island nation to the threshold of becoming a world power during her reign. The only problem? She let King James IV of Scotland succeed her.
I would have to say Queen Elizabeth I of England, though there are many to choose from and its difficult to compare... Nonetheless, Elizabeth brought England from being a relatively weak island nation to the threshold of becoming a world power during her reign. The only problem? She let King James IV of Scotland succeed her.
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