Guess the New Civs

[GenjiKhan]

If,at least,one of the 3 last remaining civs is new in Civ series,which one would be?

 

[Sparthage]

Removed

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Annnnd...BOOM!

WELCOME BACK TO CIV, SHAKA!

Can't say I'm surprised. I was really expecting them. So now what? We have two remaining spots open. Who's gonna get them?

Netherlands (Modern W. Europe)
Celts (Ancient W. Europe)
Byzantines (Ancient/Medieval SE. Europe)
Mayans (Ancient C. America)
Carthage (Ancient N. Africa)
Huns (Ancient/Medieval E. Europe/W. Asia)
Zulu (Modern S. Africa) Although they'll probably have an ancient UU/UB combo

There's no actual evidence that the article posted today was in fact.. true.. there's "a lot" of suspicious info, and it's pretty been confirmed it's just an Apirl Fool's Joke.

 

[Sparthage]

Yeah. I got it. You don't need to post that everywhere.

 

[awesome]

well, zulu are still a maybe, but are a pretty good guess. i'd just take that article with a grain of salt.
anyway, more native americans are just about always welcome, as long as they're not the same. while i'd still probably prefer pueblo/inuit for the sole reason of a unique improvement on normally unusable land, the sioux could definitely fit and we could get a lancer/cavalry replacement.
i guess comanche horsemen could technically be a pueblo unit, since comanches got their horses from pueblo indians, but that would be weird.


edit: but still awesome, now that i think about it.

 

[mitsho]

If,at least,one of the 3 last remaining civs is new in Civ series,which one would be?

The Top 5 candidates I'd guess are (in no particular order):

Congo (or maybe Ghana, an African civ from the actual tropics...)
Indonesia (catchier than Mahajapit (?), face it, maybe they name this "big tent civ" Malay)
Brazil (there's few civs with modern/industrial bonuses, South America has much place atm)
Poland
Inuit (not because they are deserving, but because civ5 puts lots of importance on terrain, and an ice and snow focused civ would be very interesting)

Then there's the ones that we know are not in, but would be somehow deserving:
Morocco/Moors
Israel

And there are of course countless others like the Chachapoya, the Tamilese, the Tibetans, the Apache, "Gran Colombia", the Arawak, Hungary, Sweden, Australia, Vietnam, etc. ...

 

[Hilton1]

1. Zulu
2. Ethiopia
3. I would have said Portugal or Tibet, but judging from Gods & Kings screenshots = Poland

 

[fuzzatron717]

I think they will be poland and zulu and for last hittites and bonus dlc of canada. oh and creators of civ 5 add the city state of troy it's one very famous city state. militaristic. add troy.

 

[PhilBowles]

There are a few I do not believe will be in this game:
* Mali (too close to Songhai)

Note that both "Timboctou" and "Jenne" depart from their conventional Western spellings as Songhai cities. That suggests they're at least leaving room to bring back the Malinese. However, I doubt they would be a priority for the expansion - there are many other areas of the world that warrant multiple civs, but whose civs are better-known.

* Khmer (too close to Siam)

This being one of them.

A few ideas that have never been in a Civ game before. Some are City-States or I suspect will be a City-State.
* Moors

Likely preempted by the catch-all "Arabia".

* Indonesia

This is the one I'd like to see for geographical completeness. Also, adding Indonesia or the Khmer (or the Burmese, etc.) would allow them to add a new SE Asian architectural style which they didn't fit in the main game (which can hopefully then be retrofitted to the Siamese).

* Poland (City-State as Warsaw)
* Venice (City-State as, well, Venice)
* Pueblos
* Israel (likely to be a religious City-State as Jerusalem)
* Sweden (I forget if Stockholm was given to Denmark)

Still a CS.

And of course there are many, many more. What about the Myanma? Burma has never been represented by a civ, but it had a Wonder (Shwedagon Pagoda) in Civ IV.

add troy.

It's a CS in Wonders of the Ancient World.

 

[Louis XXIV]

When I refer to the Moors, I'm referring to the Almoravids, which were Berber, not Arab. However, Marrakech is a City-State, so they certainly aren't going to be in without their capital.

I definitely could see Khmer. I have to think of a second unique thing and ability, but a Ballista Elephant is different enough from other Elephant units. I'd actually consider making it a Trebuchet replacement that can defend itself effectively.

 

[PhilBowles]

When I refer to the Moors, I'm referring to the Almoravids, which were Berber, not Arab. However, Marrakech is a City-State, so they certainly aren't going to be in without their capital.

I definitely could see Khmer. I have to think of a second unique thing and ability, but a Ballista Elephant is different enough from other Elephant units. I'd actually consider making it a Trebuchet replacement that can defend itself effectively.

The Baray is fine (the UB in Civ IV). It could even give the same bonus relative to the aqueduct that it used to (+1 food).

Alternatively, with religion they could have a prang (Khmer spire, the "temple-mountains") as a faith-producing structure.

Not as sure about the ability.

 

[awesome]

Note that both "Timboctou" and "Jenne" depart from their conventional Western spellings as Songhai cities. That suggests they're at least leaving room to bring back the Malinese. However, I doubt they would be a priority for the expansion - there are many other areas of the world that warrant multiple civs, but whose civs are better-known.

i didn't get that from this at all. they just felt like spelling it the other way this time around.

 

[labrynianrebel]

We can have Columbia which combines Columbia and the short-lived state of Gran Columbia into one civ to represent the general area. Just like how Denmark combines Denmark and elements of the short-lived state of Denmark-Norway.

I also say we should have Ethiopia and Kongo long before Zulu, they were a lot more important historically.

 

[PhilBowles]

i didn't get that from this at all. they just felt like spelling it the other way this time around.

And yet the Great Mosque of Djenne Wonder is spelled Djenne. While Timbuktu is a sufficiently well-known city among the general public that it seems odd to spell it differently for the sake of change - they might as well spell the French capital Paree.

 

[Liex]

We can have Columbia which combines Columbia and the short-lived state of Gran Columbia into one civ to represent the general area. Just like how Denmark combines Denmark and elements of the short-lived state of Denmark-Norway.

I also say we should have Ethiopia and Kongo long before Zulu, they were a lot more important historically.

Be careful, "Columbia" means a very different thing. Yet I got what you meant and completely agree with you, Colombia (Gran Colombia), despite being short-lived, had a great historical significance for several southern and central american countries, and Simón Bolívar is probably one of the Americas' greatest leaders. It's a shame we cannot play as him while some of the currently featured leaders didn't even exist or weren't as half as relevant for their civilization/country/people as Simón was for America.

I also share your Ethiopa/Kongo preference over the Zulu, but I guess the later have better chances. Well, perhaps they're going to surprise us.

 

[ShahJahanII]

Be careful, "Columbia" means a very different thing. Yet I got what you meant and completely agree with you, Colombia (Gran Colombia), despite being short-lived, had a great historical significance for several southern and central american countries, and Simón Bolívar is probably one of the Americas' greatest leaders. It's a shame we cannot play as him while some of the currently featured leaders didn't even exist or weren't as half as relevant for their civilization/country/people as Simón was for America.

I also share your Ethiopa/Kongo preference over the Zulu, but I guess the later have better chances. Well, perhaps they're going to surprise us.

I used to do that all the time until a Colombian friend corrected me.
I agree with this idea. It is a great way to represent countries from many time periods.

 

[MARDUK80]

I definitely could see Khmer. I have to think of a second unique thing and ability, but a Ballista Elephant is different enough from other Elephant units. I'd actually consider making it a Trebuchet replacement that can defend itself effectively.

The Baray is fine (the UB in Civ IV). It could even give the same bonus relative to the aqueduct that it used to (+1 food).

Alternatively, with religion they could have a prang (Khmer spire, the "temple-mountains") as a faith-producing structure.

Not as sure about the ability.

I posted Khmer idea in the Civilizations/Leaders Wanted! list, if you would like to continue on with Khmer suggestions.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah, I'll take a look at that. I still stand by my belief that, outside of Europe/The Near East, such closely connected civs are unlikely. The problem is civs that end up sharing most of their territory at their height (obviously, Ottomans and Byzantines are an exception, as is anything that sprouted up after the Roman or Persian Empires).

 

[PhilBowles]

Yeah, I'll take a look at that. I still stand by my belief that, outside of Europe/The Near East, such closely connected civs are unlikely. The problem is civs that end up sharing most of their territory at their height (obviously, Ottomans and Byzantines are an exception, as is anything that sprouted up after the Roman or Persian Empires).

Surely that simply reflects the European bias in the existing Civ selection, itself intended to make the game recognisable/accessible in Western markets, rather than a design policy of excluding geographically close or predecessor/successor states elsewhere? You could point out that, at its height in the 1930s and early 1940s, the Japanese empire controlled all the territory that previously and since has belonged to China (although granted that isn't the period of Japanese history represented by the leader). There's no overlap in Africa purely because there's only one sub-Saharan African civ in the game, and there have never been more than two in any of its incarnations.

And while I applaud the 'rotation' of Civ IV Civs to give previously unrepresented civs a chance, the Khmer Empire was larger at its height, longer-lived, more powerful and more historically relevant that Siam, although arguably less well-known in the West if only because Siam has been a current country name until fairly recent history, and its imperial period was romanticised in a popular novel. All that most in the West know of the Khmer is Angkor Wat, even that's insufficiently well-known that it didn't make the final list in the 'new Seven Wonders' poll a few years ago, and most of the people who do know of it would probably be hard-pressed to identify the empire that built it. What's today known as the Angkor complex was the largest pre-industrial city in the world at its height.

Certainly there are other areas of Southeast Asia that deserve representation and have never been included in Civ - most notably Indonesia and Burma - but I would like to see the Khmer return to the game.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Surely that simply reflects the European bias in the existing Civ selection, itself intended to make the game recognisable/accessible in Western markets, rather than a design policy of excluding geographically close or predecessor/successor states elsewhere?

Yes, but that doesn't change the analysis when trying to guess civs that will actually be included (rather than civs we just wish were included).