Schuesseled
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Hail 
You are our lord and master Mr. Shafer.
You are our lord and master Mr. Shafer.
Hail Jon Shafer
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lemmy101
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Hail
I hope I've not just started some kind of cult with this thread hehe.You're a top designer Jon Shafer but if you bring up motherships and communes I'm outta here ;D
I tried for for 4 hours to get this game to work. I had to install it three times, and I formatted my computer twice. I waited so long for this game and like many others I couldn't even get it to play.
Finally, I got the game to work, and it's the best game I've ever played. I started playing with Civilization III, a bootleg version my brother found in turkey while in the navy. This game has everything I love from Civilization III and took out everything that I didn't like in Civilization IV that prevented me from really getting into it.
I never finished a single game on Civilization IV. I would make it just past the medieval times, get bored and quit my game. I would restart games 4 to 5 times in one sitting.
Civilization V has everything I've wanted in a Civilization game. While there is room for many small tweaks and improvements, I'm happier than I expected whith it.
I saved an iroquois worker from a barbarian camp, Hiawatha contacts me and thanks me for saving his worker. Little things like that add alot of depth for me and make this game that much better.
Finally, I got the game to work, and it's the best game I've ever played. I started playing with Civilization III, a bootleg version my brother found in turkey while in the navy. This game has everything I love from Civilization III and took out everything that I didn't like in Civilization IV that prevented me from really getting into it.
I never finished a single game on Civilization IV. I would make it just past the medieval times, get bored and quit my game. I would restart games 4 to 5 times in one sitting.
Civilization V has everything I've wanted in a Civilization game. While there is room for many small tweaks and improvements, I'm happier than I expected whith it.
I saved an iroquois worker from a barbarian camp, Hiawatha contacts me and thanks me for saving his worker. Little things like that add alot of depth for me and make this game that much better.
remconius
Deity
Totally agree with OP. This is a really good game.
It has a few balancing issues, perhaps, but all in all I am enjoying it!
It has a few balancing issues, perhaps, but all in all I am enjoying it!
I actively participated in some of the old "Civ 5 suggestions" threads, where people were arguing about what they would love to see in the game. My stance was that I wanted Firaxis to surprise me by making the game quite different. There was a surprising amount of people who seemed to want Civ 4 all over again. Or an even more bloated Civ 4 with extra complexity. There are other games that cater to the extra battle complexity when I want it (Total War for instance), or cater to more complex economy and diplomacy when I want it (Paradox games for instance), there is also Civ 4 when I want to play Civ 4, and Civ 3 when I want to play Civ 3. I'm glad my side won and Civ 5 is refreshing, even with its little flaws.
Most jobs are thankless. Satisfied people don't go out of their way to point out the fact that they are satisfied. Game design is no exception. It's probably good to have a few glee threads
Most jobs are thankless. Satisfied people don't go out of their way to point out the fact that they are satisfied. Game design is no exception. It's probably good to have a few glee threads
salaminizer
Colorado Internacional
I agree with the OP.
I can't give a deep feedback yet, but so far I haven't seen any "atrocity"
crazyeye, quite the contrary actually.
I can't give a deep feedback yet, but so far I haven't seen any "atrocity"
crazyeye, quite the contrary actually.Having monitored the forums in at first expectation and then increasing depression over the last few days, all I can say is - having finally got my hands on the game today I can't really see what the fuss is about. Only played a couple of games so far but (despite a couple of quibbles regarding AI and diplomacy) I am really enjoying it so far.
Civ V and Civ IV, despite their obvious similarities, are equally obviously trying to be different games. IV tried (and succeeded to near-perfection) to be a numbers game, one where knowing that a relationship of +3 with Saladin would allow you to trade for that longed-for silk was a huge advantage, and as such was always going to attract the hardcore stats-junkies (of which I would include myself). The scarcity of such stats and the absence of some familiar core mechanics in V is a jarring experience to start with which I can understand has got under a few peoples' skin, but I also understand that the designers were trying to distance it from being a IV+ variant such that most people could enjoy V while IV would remain fresh (and I'm sure I'll return to it someday - but not for a few weeks at least!). I don't really care which one is better, I'm just glad they both exist.
Anyway - back to playing!
Civ V and Civ IV, despite their obvious similarities, are equally obviously trying to be different games. IV tried (and succeeded to near-perfection) to be a numbers game, one where knowing that a relationship of +3 with Saladin would allow you to trade for that longed-for silk was a huge advantage, and as such was always going to attract the hardcore stats-junkies (of which I would include myself). The scarcity of such stats and the absence of some familiar core mechanics in V is a jarring experience to start with which I can understand has got under a few peoples' skin, but I also understand that the designers were trying to distance it from being a IV+ variant such that most people could enjoy V while IV would remain fresh (and I'm sure I'll return to it someday - but not for a few weeks at least!). I don't really care which one is better, I'm just glad they both exist.
Anyway - back to playing!
SRV
Chieftain
I'm having a blast with this game. There is so much more strategy involved. I love the new combat. Over all I'm having a great time with this one. I would explain more but I have to get back to work.
Totally agree with the OP. I'm too busy playing Civ 5 to actually bother with much posting, except when I'm at work when I can't (or shouldn't) be playing...
hmm.. maybe I can get a few more turns in during my lunch break?
No harm can come from that right?
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hmm.. maybe I can get a few more turns in during my lunch break?
No harm can come from that right?
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nekom
Warlord
I paid 50 bucks for a game I have so far thoroughly enjoyed. No complaints here. Well, no serious complaints anyway.
Vlade Divac
Warlord
Love the game so far and completely agree with the OP. I also truly agree that this game is an awesome base and will REALLY shine bright when expansions/DLC/modders take effect. I'm really looking forward to how this game evolves and builds through the next year or 2.
I only want to say that i love Civ5. I dont post much but this time i felt the need to say so. This is the best Civ to date.
Im not surprised at all with all the bashing. I've been waiting the "i told you so" people since the game was announced. Its the only way the Civ patriots can feel hardcore enough.
Going back to the game now. Huge thanks to Jon and the rest of the team
Im not surprised at all with all the bashing. I've been waiting the "i told you so" people since the game was announced. Its the only way the Civ patriots can feel hardcore enough.
Going back to the game now. Huge thanks to Jon and the rest of the team
You're a top designer Jon Shafer but if you bring up motherships and communes I'm outta here ;D
Someone should mod this into a new victory condition
By the way, also agree whole heartedly with the OP. In fact until Civ 5 was announced I was mainly a lurker here. Now I'm in here everyday (only at work though, at home I'm Civving). For the first time I might even take a stab at modding (if I can pull myself away from playing long enough)
Loved the walk through lemmy great read.
Loved the walk through lemmy great read.
kozzer
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I haven't posted in a while, but I wanted to chime in to this thread.
Civ5 is the best Civ game yet! While there are things that need to get patched, every design change they made significantly makes the game more fun. Everything is fun. I HATED warring in every Civ up til now (been playing since Civ I). It was always so tedious and rinse-and-repeat [like in Civ4: seige to break down city defenses, kamikaze the seige for collateral damage, stomp city], so I tended not to war unless provoked or attacked. In Civ5, I love warring! 1UPT works perfectly. I like the way cities behave. I like the way cultural borders expand and the ability to buy tiles. Social Policies are awesome! Because of SP's and civ SA's, I've played every game in a completely different way (last night, I went the Greece-Patronage-CS route described in an Apolyton article). And the UI is brilliant! I'm still getting used to it a little, but I love that things are tucked away until you want to look at them. Love the wonderful info in the map mouseovers. Just great!
Once the mod tools are released, and the game gets a nice bug-AI-balance patch, it's going to blow away BTS in every respect. It's already more fun than any other Civ incarnation IMO.
And Lenny: keep on truckin' man! Don't let the negative ninnys get you down. Do more playthoughs! Your writing style is a perfect compliment to Civ, and your avatar gives it even more comedic context.
Civ5 is the best Civ game yet! While there are things that need to get patched, every design change they made significantly makes the game more fun. Everything is fun. I HATED warring in every Civ up til now (been playing since Civ I). It was always so tedious and rinse-and-repeat [like in Civ4: seige to break down city defenses, kamikaze the seige for collateral damage, stomp city], so I tended not to war unless provoked or attacked. In Civ5, I love warring! 1UPT works perfectly. I like the way cities behave. I like the way cultural borders expand and the ability to buy tiles. Social Policies are awesome! Because of SP's and civ SA's, I've played every game in a completely different way (last night, I went the Greece-Patronage-CS route described in an Apolyton article). And the UI is brilliant! I'm still getting used to it a little, but I love that things are tucked away until you want to look at them. Love the wonderful info in the map mouseovers. Just great!
Once the mod tools are released, and the game gets a nice bug-AI-balance patch, it's going to blow away BTS in every respect. It's already more fun than any other Civ incarnation IMO.
And Lenny: keep on truckin' man! Don't let the negative ninnys get you down. Do more playthoughs! Your writing style is a perfect compliment to Civ, and your avatar gives it even more comedic context.
silentknight111
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I know a lot of people complain about the design. But in the past few days when I'e been playing I have been quite addicted.
Yeah, the changes are major. But it plays well. I don't find myself thinking "why did that happen?" or "what do I do now?". The game play just feels... natural. I can jump in, get the lay of the land, and form a plan and go for it without it feeling impossible. In Civ IV, I'd often want to get a diplomtic victory, or a culture victory, and then realize about 1/3 of the way into the game that I was screwed and just quit.
Oh, and on thing I love from diplomacy - when an AI tries to antagonize you by attacking a city state you're allied with, and then they op-up and say "Oh, it looks like someone attacked your little friend. Are you going to do something about it?"
Despite being pissed of, i couldn't help but laugh.
Yeah, the changes are major. But it plays well. I don't find myself thinking "why did that happen?" or "what do I do now?". The game play just feels... natural. I can jump in, get the lay of the land, and form a plan and go for it without it feeling impossible. In Civ IV, I'd often want to get a diplomtic victory, or a culture victory, and then realize about 1/3 of the way into the game that I was screwed and just quit.
Oh, and on thing I love from diplomacy - when an AI tries to antagonize you by attacking a city state you're allied with, and then they op-up and say "Oh, it looks like someone attacked your little friend. Are you going to do something about it?"
Despite being pissed of, i couldn't help but laugh.
I'm in 100% agreement with Lemmy. The game is wonderful.
I think all the hostility is honestly coming from the game not being Civ IV. I know it's been said and shrugged off as a joke, but I honestly feel that it's true. I played quite a bit of CivII and III and enjoyed both of them a lot. I got Civ IV after the expansion packs were out and became so lost in all the new mechanics and nuances of the game that I only played it for about a month. In all honesty, the game became extremely uninviting of new players. It completely lacked the "jump in, play, and learn the ropes" feel that Civ V has. Some people here find that the game is too easy only because they're assuming that the difficulties are identical to those in Civ IV. To me, Civ V is a wonderful medium for both veterans and newcomers to enjoy and learn before expansion packs come out. Oh, and I'm sure those expansion packs with add on systems similar to religion, espionage, ect that some people here are so furious about being removed.
I think all the hostility is honestly coming from the game not being Civ IV. I know it's been said and shrugged off as a joke, but I honestly feel that it's true. I played quite a bit of CivII and III and enjoyed both of them a lot. I got Civ IV after the expansion packs were out and became so lost in all the new mechanics and nuances of the game that I only played it for about a month. In all honesty, the game became extremely uninviting of new players. It completely lacked the "jump in, play, and learn the ropes" feel that Civ V has. Some people here find that the game is too easy only because they're assuming that the difficulties are identical to those in Civ IV. To me, Civ V is a wonderful medium for both veterans and newcomers to enjoy and learn before expansion packs come out. Oh, and I'm sure those expansion packs with add on systems similar to religion, espionage, ect that some people here are so furious about being removed.
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