Hard Knocks: Training Camp With The Cincinnati Bengals

[Cryptic_Snow]

This should get you guys pumped for some football.


Link to video.

 

[MobBoss]

The pre-season will do a better job than that silliness will.

 

[North King]

The pre-season will do a better job than that silliness will.

...have you watched the preseason? Hard Knocks is honestly a fair bit better at presenting actual football.

 

[MobBoss]

...have you watched the preseason? Hard Knocks is honestly a fair bit better at presenting actual football.

Ayup, I watched quite a bit of it last night. It was 'actual football' simply mostly involving the 2nd and 3rd stringers of most teams, but was still actual football nonetheless.

 

[North King]

Ayup, I watched quite a bit of it last night. It was 'actual football' simply mostly involving the 2nd and 3rd stringers of most teams, but was still actual football nonetheless.

I think it's hilarious that you would say a few reps for second and third stringers is more footbally than a film crew following around those exact same players through training camp and figuring out the storylines behind those depth chart battles.

 

[Wrymouth3]

I like to imagine that the Jacksonville Jaguars were even too awful for a full season of Hard Knocks.

 

[MobBoss]

I think it's hilarious that you would say a few reps for second and third stringers is more footbally than a film crew following around those exact same players through training camp and figuring out the storylines behind those depth chart battles.

Plenty of first stringers saw reps too.

I'm not trying to compare it with regular season football (which you seem to be implying); i'm merely saying it's certainly more apt to get people pumped up about NFL regular season than some silly reality tv show.

 

[North King]

The only way preseason football is remotely interesting is if you're actually following your own team's storylines to the point where you actually know who all these third stringers are, and who they are fighting for roster spots.

In other words, preseason football requires you to already be amped up. It does not amp you up.

Also, anyone who's actually seen Hard Knocks can attest it's an extremely well-made show.

 

[MobBoss]

The only way preseason football is remotely interesting is if you're actually following your own team's storylines to the point where you actually know who all these third stringers are, and who they are fighting for roster spots.

In other words, preseason football requires you to already be amped up. It does not amp you up.

Amps me up more than Hard Knocks does. Which was my point.

I never alleged pre-season 'amps' anyone up more than regular season. But compared to the show, its simply more fulfilling.

 

[North King]

I've never alleged you said that, either, dude.

But I stand by my point that unless you follow training camp, preseason football is worse than meaningless. It's literally only about the personal confrontations, the storylines of who's fighting for which spot. Coaches don't even call the "right" plays.

 

[MobBoss]

I've never alleged you said that, either, dude.

But I stand by my point that unless you follow training camp, preseason football is worse than meaningless. It's literally only about the personal confrontations, the storylines of who's fighting for which spot. Coaches don't even call the "right" plays.

We've already had more than a few injuries in these pre-season games to starters that could indeed affect the regular season.

I guess you think that's 'meaningless'. I don't.

To each his own I guess.

 

[North King]

We've already had more than a few injuries in these pre-season games to starters that could indeed affect the regular season.

I guess you think that's 'meaningless'. I don't.

To each his own I guess.

So you watch it to follow the injury news?

I think you misunderstood me again, which is odd, seeing how the sentence only had two clauses. But once again -- the reason why watching it would be meaningless to a casual fan (or worse than meaningless) is because it's about positional battles, and the plays, formations, and scorelines have little to no bearing on how a team will do in the regular season. Now, you are correct that there is some significant injury news BUT -- that's not a reason in and of itself to watch these games, seeing as injury news is frequently delivered in a dozen other ways. Do you also religiously go to your team's practices to double check and make sure no one's gotten hurt?

 

[MobBoss]

So you watch it to follow the injury news?

I think you misunderstood me again, which is odd, seeing how the sentence only had two clauses. But once again -- the reason why watching it would be meaningless to a casual fan (or worse than meaningless) is because it's about positional battles, and the plays, formations, and scorelines have little to no bearing on how a team will do in the regular season. Now, you are correct that there is some significant injury news BUT -- that's not a reason in and of itself to watch these games, seeing as injury news is frequently delivered in a dozen other ways. Do you also religiously go to your team's practices to double check and make sure no one's gotten hurt?

I've enjoyed watching pre-season more than I've enjoyed watching hard knocks.

I thought that was evident. I didn't misunderstand you at all.

You claim that pre-season is meaningless, however, is simply without merit. For example, those that watched Alfred Morris tear it up in the pre-season last year, and drafted him in fantasy for that reason were not disappointed.

Also the week 3 games are considered the actual dress rehearsal for the regular season and will predominately feature most teams starting line-ups (with some exceptions of course because of injury concerns).

 

[North King]

And with exceptions because certain teams treat the preseason differently. Those who are looking to see who to draft in fantasy can read blogs to assimilate information about who might be a good starter more efficiently. I knew Eddie Lacy was a superb runner and added a whole new dimension to the Packers' offense long before I saw their preseason game against the Rams. Not that the latter wasn't pleasant -- but it no more amped me up for football than Hard Knocks did, even though the series follows a team I have no particularly strong feelings for in a division and even a conference I care little about.

In sum, your original statement of "that silliness" is utterly unmerited because watching preseason football is just as silly.

If one can even go about evaluating silliness when we're talking about obsessively delving into a professional sport.

 

[MobBoss]

And with exceptions because certain teams treat the preseason differently. Those who are looking to see who to draft in fantasy can read blogs to assimilate information about who might be a good starter more efficiently. I knew Eddie Lacy was a superb runner and added a whole new dimension to the Packers' offense long before I saw their preseason game against the Rams. Not that the latter wasn't pleasant -- but it no more amped me up for football than Hard Knocks did, even though the series follows a team I have no particularly strong feelings for in a division and even a conference I care little about.

In sum, your original statement of "that silliness" is utterly unmerited because watching preseason football is just as silly.

Not in the least. Hard knocks is only watched by a fraction of the people watching the pre-season games. As such its ability to 'pump up' people for football pales in comparison with the pre-season.

 

[mrt144]

How the hell are people who call themselves adults having this argument? Jesus christ.

 

[North King]

Not in the least. Hard knocks is only watched by a fraction of the people watching the pre-season games. As such its ability to 'pump up' people for football pales in comparison with the pre-season.

Popularity =/= an argument.

How the hell are people who call themselves adults having this argument? Jesus christ.

I personally find it hilarious.

 

[MobBoss]

Popularity =/= an argument.

It's more of an argument than you have. Besides, it's directly relevant to the 'pumped' factor that the entire argument was about.

I personally find it hilarious.

I did for a bit, but it's losing it's fun as I've won the debate. Ah well.

 

[North King]

It's more of an argument than you have. Besides, it's directly relevant to the 'pumped' factor that the entire argument was about.

I did for a bit, but it's losing it's fun as I've won the debate. Ah well.

I mean, that'd be fair, if you completely ignore the arguments above. Either that, or your definition of "get pumped up" is radically different from the vernacular.

Spoiler :

At this point I'm seeing if MobBoss can stand not having the last word in a thread.

 

[Cryptic_Snow]

Just enjoy the show guys, the season will start before you know it.