Has there ever been a point where communism worked well?

In my opinion, the only way Communism would work if it was the only system all people would be living in. That means it is not in contact with any alternative system, and not confronted with people hostile to it. Everybody would be wealthy and happy, because everyone would already have been educated to the end that they contribute their part to the system.

The problem is, in this world, and with this mankind, there will always be an alternative, and there always be people hostile to the general idea, so the system will never work. It's a great idea, but it only works for ants.
 
The PRC (Peoples Republic of China) is technically communist and look at their leverage on the world.
 
The PRC (Peoples Republic of China) is technically communist and look at their leverage on the world.
Actually, they're not communist by any standards, even their own- the PRC have never claimed to have achieved a communist society, merely that they intended to. Closest they ever got was falsely claiming to have achieved socialism, which isn't the same thing at all.
 
Man is too inherently self-interested for communism to ever work.
Vast oversimplification. Even in a world of automatons, Communism can't work, because without a rudimentary market mechanism of some kind, you are going to have overproduction.
 
Full-on communism hasn't worked, but a bit of socialism is a good thing (such as free medical, social welfare, which Americans seem to have a lack of).
 
Vast oversimplification. Even in a world of automatons, Communism can't work, because without a rudimentary market mechanism of some kind, you are going to have overproduction.

But that doesn't mean it wouldn't work, only that it wouldn't be 100% efficient.
 
Possibly during WW2 when the Soviets had their backs to the wall. Total state control of production and manpower.

Whether this is product of communism or a totalitariam regime I'm not sure.
 
Totalitarianism, of course- the sort of state control displayed under the USSR isn't even remotely similar to the anarchistic society predicted by Marx. Even Marxist Socialism, the precursor stage of Marxist Communism, requires democratic government to function properly, which the USSR most certainly was not.
 
I have a friend of mine who really supports Marx and Lenin and what they tried to do

I keep insisting to him that the communist manifesto was written as a joke and people just took it seriously, just to bug him of course :p
 
According to George Orwell (socialist author) the USSR was not a socialist country, and he needed to disprove the myth that it was to revive the socialist movement.

What he meant by that I'm not sure (it's in the Foreward to Animal Farm, a devastating satire of the USSR).
 
According to George Orwell (socialist author) the USSR was not a socialist country, and he needed to disprove the myth that it was to revive the socialist movement.

What he meant by that I'm not sure (it's in the Foreward to Animal Farm, a devastating satire of the USSR).

How ironic that 1984 is taught in schools throughout the US in order to teach children to be hostile towards socialism/communism even though Orwell was a socialist.
 
According to George Orwell (socialist author) the USSR was not a socialist country, and he needed to disprove the myth that it was to revive the socialist movement.

What he meant by that I'm not sure (it's in the Foreward to Animal Farm, a devastating satire of the USSR).
He meant the USSR was not socialist, and it wasn't, animal farm shows how a revolution that started as a movement for the equality of all, ended with it just making new, equally oppresive masters as the ones they replaced, and this is what happened in the USSR

How ironic that 1984 is taught in schools throughout the US in order to teach children to be hostile towards socialism/communism even though Orwell was a socialist.
Quite, although I'm not sure it's taught to be hostile towards communism or socialism.
 
Jamestown, Virginia I think I already explained this in another thread, but I'll re-explain this...
Jamestown was still a capitalist settlement, but it used the basic backbone of Socialism/Communism, every gets their food divided up evenly, and if u dont work, u dont get food
 
Alpha Killer II said:
Jamestown was still a capitalist settlement, but it used the basic backbone of Socialism/Communism, every gets their food divided up evenly, and if u dont work, u dont get food
The Jamestown settlement wasn't an example of 'working well'; the only reason the colony survived was because Britain kept pouring immigrants into it. What you are referring to is rationing, which was necessary considering the chronic food shortages that occurred.
 
But that doesn't mean it wouldn't work, only that it wouldn't be 100% efficient.
Well by what standards are we talking about "working" then? The OP has asked if it is an "exceptional system", but if it works less efficiently that an economy with market features, even in the hands of automatons, I don't think you can say it "worked well"
 
But there are criteria other than efficiency. You might think that if system X is less efficient than system Y, but has (say) greater social justice, then X works better than Y.

Besides, you haven't shown that communism is necessarily less efficient than market capitalism, only that it isn't perfectly efficient; but no system is perfectly efficient anyway. If you had a communist society where individuals didn't waste as much as they do in modern western society, then even if it were quite inefficient when it comes to production and supply, it might still be more efficient overall than our society is.
 
But there are criteria other than efficiency. You might think that if system X is less efficient than system Y, but has (say) greater social justice, then X works better than Y.

Besides, you haven't shown that communism is necessarily less efficient than market capitalism, only that it isn't perfectly efficient; but no system is perfectly efficient anyway. If you had a communist society where individuals didn't waste as much as they do in modern western society, then even if it were quite inefficient when it comes to production and supply, it might still be more efficient overall than our society is.
Without a market mechanism overproduction is innevitable. While its true that overproduction exists in the capitalist system, it reaches absurd heights in a command economy.
Overproduction in the capitalist system is a result from reinvestment. Investors naturally reinforce their enterprises when they are profitable, and unless demand increases to keep pace, you create a problem of overproduction.
In a planned economy, you almost immediately create a system of overproduction. A capitalist can only expand his operations as far as his profit margins allow. With profit removed from the system, it becomes a question of increasing production as much as possible with the resources alotted by the state. Because there is no market mechanism, goods are merely distributed, there is never a reason to halt expansion of production. While making more goods sounds great, this leads innevitably to economic irrationality and inneficiency, as people only desire a certain product so much, and anything made beyond that is just elaborate waste. This is why you see pictures from the Soviet Union where super markets are filled with things such as vinegar. The problem is not just the underproduction of staple foods; this is intertwined with the overproduction of another product, such as vinegar, which is then cutting into the production of other goods.

But ah! you say, if we create a beurocratic system in which the government can precisely monitor the desire of people for certain products and their fullfillment of others, and we can have the state distribute resources from there. Firstly, there is the fact that no beurocracy is efficient enough to do this, as the Soviet Union demonstrates. Its simply impossible to keep up with what people desire and what they no longer desire, and then allocate resources across the nation based on this. The second is that you then have to recognize that you are still cutting into your efficiency, because for the cost of a market mechanism (nothing) you now have a severe economic cost (equipment, wages, labor, etc.) into this complex monitoring system.

My point isn't one on social justice, distribution of wealth or something of that nature. You can settle that and still have the use of a market method through a liberal-socialist or corporatist system. Its that simply put, Marxist-Leninist planned economies can't work because it an inneficient organizational model, not because of human nature. Automotons will still end up with Supermarkets full of Vinegar and nothing else.
 
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