Have you ever heard of the XYZ Affair?

I've heard of the XYZ Affair. It's a staple in US History classes.
 
I've heard of the XYZ Affair. It's a staple in US History classes.

Indeed. I'd be surprised if most Americans couldn't at least say "yeah, I remember the name of something like that." As far as our relationship with France, time heals wounds. Hell, the Brits (Canuck troopers) torched our Capital and now we practically genuflect whenever they smile and wave at us.
 
Copycat titles? I'm simply trying to bring to to the fore knowledge about a little-known diplomatic event that started our first war as a nation. Any similarity in titles is purely coincidental.
Shouldn't this be in the history forum?
 
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Moved to World History. I certainly hope you sincerely want a discussion here, Cheezy.

You see, if I don't see some serious attempt from you at discussing a topic that you felt so passionate about that you felt you need to start a thread on, then I'll have to assume you were simply starting a spam thread, in which case I'll have to deal with it on that basis.
 
Since it was a quasi-war or undeclared war it wasn't our first war as a nation.
 
It's really a wonder that we ever even spoke to the French again, considering their wonderful hospitality in 1798. I mean, so much for solidarity between the only two republics on earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair
Nope never heard of it before. Thanks for the heads-up!:goodjob:

I'm sensing that this is just one of the FUBAR things going on during the Directorate. Americans notice it since they were directly involved, while in France, where everyone and everything were getting screwed by corruption, it's getting lost in the static of the history of the Directorate. The strong man was Paul Barras, who pretty consistently gets described as "corrupt and amoral".

Which would give an incling of part of why people were happy with a military strong-man coup d'état in Paris in 1799. If Napoleon hadn't made it, the Jacobins were preassuring Bernadotte to make one.
 
Nope never heard of it before. Thanks for the heads-up!:goodjob:

I'm sensing that this is just one of the FUBAR things going on during the Directorate. Americans notice it since they were directly involved, while in France, where everyone and everything were getting screwed by corruption, it's getting lost in the static of the history of the Directorate. The strong man was Paul Barras, who pretty consistently gets described as "corrupt and amoral".

Which would give an incling of part of why people were happy with a military strong-man coup d'état in Paris in 1799. If Napoleon hadn't made it, the Jacobins were preassuring Bernadotte to make one.

I had totally forgotten about the 1799 coup. :blush:

It all makes sense now, thanks to your insight!

By the way, I have a book called "America's Oldest Enemy: the History of America's Disasterous Relationship With France." It's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but nonetheless an interesting record of Franco-American diplomacy, from 1781 to about 2004.
 
This sounds like a new Abaddon thread.
 
It's really a wonder that we ever even spoke to the French again, considering their wonderful hospitality in 1798. I mean, so much for solidarity between the only two republics on earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair
Yes, I have heard of this incident before. :D
I've heard of the XYZ Affair. It's a staple in US History classes.
That it is. It's also appeared on Jeopardy! (and if you don't know all of the answers on a given Jeopardy! show, you owe a few days' worth of penance) and it usually pops up in most American quiz bowl tournaments (either as a tossup or as a three-part bonus along with Citizen Genet and the Quasi War).
I'm sensing that this is just one of the FUBAR things going on during the Directorate. Americans notice it since they were directly involved, while in France, where everyone and everything were getting screwed by corruption, it's getting lost in the static of the history of the Directorate.
Yeah, pretty much. I would say that in addition to the massive corruption, the initial French error in believing that Jay's Treaty was indicative of a US-GB alliance (which the Democratic-Republicans would never countenance, of course) was critical and somewhat indicative of the French mindset at the time. This is a state that's used to dealing with others in Europe as though they were conquered enemies (e.g. Austria and Napoleon's dictation of the Treaty of Campo-Formio - and yes, that wasn't even the real reason Austria and Prussia decided to turn away from Western Europe, I know, it was instead the partition of Poland) and thought that they could act that way to the United States, their erstwhile allies, as well.

God, the Directory sucked.
 
Goes to show ya that no country had a sort of eternal "bond" for any other nations. The French supplied the revolution to simply get back at the British, and America payed the favor by providing massive amounts of support for the coalition during the Napoleonic Wars.
 
Goes to show ya that no country had a sort of eternal "bond" for any other nations. The French supplied the revolution to simply get back at the British, and America payed the favor by providing massive amounts of support for the coalition during the Napoleonic Wars.

What support was that? You mean like boosting Frances treasury and declaring war on Britain?

And the Americans stiffed over the French long before the XYZ affair when they gave all the trade concessions the French wanted in exchange for their support to Britain at the treaty of Paris.
 
The war of 1812 is a relatively minor debacle compared to the aid in weapons given to the British and Prussians through trade by the Americans.
 
Indeed. I'd be surprised if most Americans couldn't at least say "yeah, I remember the name of something like that." As far as our relationship with France, time heals wounds. Hell, the Brits (Canuck troopers) torched our Capital and now we practically genuflect whenever they smile and wave at us.

wow at my school i would be surprised if someone said yeah i remember the name of something like that if someone said FDR
 
I like the "Pig War" between the US and UK. Not to be confused with the "Pig War" between France and the Republic of Texas.
 
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