Help In My War Against Microsoft!

[Shadylookin]

I never said anything about that.

But that's simply because the Macs actually can perform tasks efficiently. Sure those $500 Dells sound pretty appealing, especially with those shiny plastoid coverings, but they'll get outdated within a year or so. You either pay a lot and replace less often or you pay less and replace more often.

Free OSes just don't cut it for me. It always seems like there's something out to get me. I might just be paranoid because of my old PC, but oh well.

Sorry, I don't speak computer.

spec for spec I'm yet to see a mac's price out perform a pc. Nor have I ever seen a mac that didn't fall into the "6 months later this will be old news" category like every other computer.

I just don't see why one would choose mac OS X over windows. They both cost a pretty penny, but windows has much better support for hardware and games. Not to mention a wider selection of software available to it. Also unlike a linux user or a freebsd user Macs don't have a philosophical reason to use such as freedom because they are just as proprietary as MS. To each his own I guess.

 

[Jamesds]

spec for spec I'm yet to see a mac's price out perform a pc. Nor have I ever seen a mac that didn't fall into the "6 months later this will be old news" category like every other computer.

True, I completely agree.

I just don't see why one would choose mac OS X over windows. They both cost a pretty penny, but windows has much better support for hardware and games. Not to mention a wider selection of software available to it. Also unlike a linux user or a freebsd user Macs don't have a philosophical reason to use such as freedom because they are just as proprietary as MS. To each his own I guess.

"To each his own" sums that up pretty well. I don't have a problem with people using Macs, it's when they resort to defending their use with illogical statements when I get a little annoyed. Saying that, there are some cases where a Mac may be more of a suitable choice - but in the same situation another person may choose a Windows/Linux PC and that would be the most suitable for him. If you like Macs, and want to use OSX, that's great! Just don't tell us why it's "better" than Windows - just be honest and say you like it . Thank goodness for freedom of choice...

 

[azmodean]

I recently used my awesome mind control powers to make Microsoft execs think that buying Yahoo was a good idea, but it will be money down the drain as our good friends at Google continue to Take Over The World. This should help in your war. No no, don't thank me, it was my pleasure.

 

[Jamesds]

I think I'm missing something - what do Yahoo! have which Microsoft are willing to pay a heck of a lot of money for? IIRC it's in the region of $44.6 bn. I can hardly believe Microsoft would spend that much money on them. What are they thinking?

 

[Speedo]

But that's simply because the Macs actually can perform tasks efficiently. Sure those $500 Dells sound pretty appealing, especially with those shiny plastoid coverings, but they'll get outdated within a year or so. You either pay a lot and replace less often or you pay less and replace more often.

Bullsh-

Apple always charges you more for the exact same hardware. Feel free to look for yourself, if you don't believe it.

1) Where are you getting that from? I have been taught that from a guy who has made his living off that kind of stuff, and unless you cite me a beastly-good source, I'm going to have trouble believing it.

For crying out loud, OSX is built on top of the XNU kernel. What does "XNU" stand for? X is Not Unix The Darwin core is built on top of that, which is again Unix-like.

Macophiles (and Apple itself, naturally) have been trumpeting "UNIX!!" since Leopard's release, since Apple got it the UNIX03 certification... nevermind that that has nothing to do with what the OS is actually built on.

Let me give you some advice - don't believe things until you check them yourself. There are a lot of people out there in the computer world who make make their living programming or working on them, but who really don't know jack about the actual workings of computers.

 

[Strider]

I understand that, but I still have yet to hear where you are getting the first thing from.

Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernel and is derived from the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) implementation of Unix in Nextstep.

That is all. Enjoy.

 

[Mr_Fusty]

Lurking with interest

I have quite a few various PC's in various states of fossilisation, from a Pentium Pro running '95, a 286 with Win 3.? and a PC-Clone (yes, that old) with Win 1.0, as well as some other ones, such as a BBC Micro, an odd Oveletti 8066 and a Mac 128K . A 5 1/4 floppy is the only external disk type that all my Windows PC's will have in common - and I would like this to continue. I don't worry about parts - I usally have more than enough willing 'donors' waiting around, and I am a dab hand when it comes to fossil-computing. I do get sick of all these storage divices - at the moment I support:

CD
DVD
Zip Disk
3 1/2 Floppy
3" Floppy
5 1/4 Floppy
8" Floppy (possible)

Better than most companies, eh?

The main reason to leaving Bill's grip is becasue I don't like to be locked in - ever. I ideal is to get an OS as clean as possible - then I can build the apps into it as and what I want - no ****** lock-ins! I'd admit being with a Win system has it's advantiges, such as the large amount of software availible. That's why I proberly wouldn't use a Mac OS.

 

[D0NIMATRIX]

What kind of software are going to be wanting?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I never said anything about that.

But that's simply because the Macs actually can perform tasks efficiently. Sure those $500 Dells sound pretty appealing, especially with those shiny plastoid coverings, but they'll get outdated within a year or so. You either pay a lot and replace less often or you pay less and replace more often.

Free OSes just don't cut it for me. It always seems like there's something out to get me. I might just be paranoid because of my old PC, but oh well.

Sorry, I don't speak computer.

No you buy midrange hardware that lasts just as long and is much cheaper. The top end hardware offers very little performance gain for a drastic price increase. That being said you can get a Dell with the same hardware as a Macbook Pro for almost $1000 cheaper and it does come with aluminum casing (loaded Dell XPS m1530). If you wanna pay for a high-end Mac you are better off getting one of the new Alienware PCs.

 

[D0NIMATRIX]

Ah well, as somebody said, to each his own...

@Speedo

Take it easy man.

 

[lutzj]

Ah well, as somebody said, to each his own...

Aesop?

BTW, is there a way to run Win apps on Linux? I'm just beginning to consider a changeover.

 

[Strider]

Aesop?

BTW, is there a way to run Win apps on Linux? I'm just beginning to consider a changeover.

Wine is capable of running windows applications.

 

[Speedo]

Ah well, as somebody said, to each his own...

@Speedo

Take it easy man.

I don't respond well to Mac fanbois.

If you aren't one, then just try to avoid saying the foolish stuff that they say... if you are, then you've been warned.

 

[Jamesds]

Aesop?

BTW, is there a way to run Win apps on Linux? I'm just beginning to consider a changeover.

It was shadylookin I think, near the top of this page.

Yes - Wine can run many Windows apps, including Office 2003, pretty well; although many would argue that OpenOffice is all you need.... It also runs Civ4 really well. Check the Wine AppDB here to see how it would run the apps you would want: http://appdb.winehq.org/. Do remember, there's some good, free software alternatives out there, so don't try and keep all your apps, see what Linux alternatives exist first.

EDIT: Note, at the time of writing, the AppDB is offline - shouldn't take too long for it to return...

I don't respond well to Mac fanbois.

Don't know if you're on Facebook, but there's a group which describes you pretty well, which I joined. "I don't hate Macs - I hate arrogant Mac users".

 

[Shadylookin]

Aesop?

BTW, is there a way to run Win apps on Linux? I'm just beginning to consider a changeover.

there is wine and there is cedega. wine is free cedega costs money.

while wine has come a long way it still fails to work for a lot of things. Linux simply wasn't meant to be free windows. I would encourage you to seek out native linux programs that do a similar task because it's usually easier than trying to configure a windows application to work.

 

[lutzj]

Will Windows-intended games work on a Linux box?

 

[GVBN]

Maybe. Some games run flawlessly under Wine (at least HL2 mods and WoW) while some do not run at all

 

[Shadylookin]

Will Windows-intended games work on a Linux box?

some games will run, some games will run but not so great, on rare occasion some games will run ever faster, most of the time however they won't run at all(espeically new titles). it's best to make sure you can run whatever you want before you switch.

Most game developers won't make games for linux because linux doesn't have enough market share, and linux doesn't have enough market share because people won't switch because it can't play their games it's a vicious cycle

Hopefully as non windows OSes become more popular game developers will write more games that aren't tied to a certain platform. Until then I don't see linux boxes being big gaming machines. Though there are a few linux games out there.

 

[D0NIMATRIX]

"I don't hate Macs - I hate arrogant Mac users".

Me too. But I hate people who boast about anything that isn't a once-in-a-few-years occurence.

 

[GenMarshall]

Hopefully as non windows OSes become more popular game developers will write more games that aren't tied to a certain platform. Until then I don't see linux boxes being big gaming machines. Though there are a few linux games out there.

That I doubt would happen, never underestimate the powers of Microsoft .