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Hiawatha haters unite

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Jacozilla, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Jacozilla

    Jacozilla Warlord

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    I loathe this civ. Instant and perma war soon as I encounter him because:

    1. Spreads like the plague
    2. Settles every spot between your cities
    3. Heavy odds runaway contender
    4. Believes two tile snow islands near your border are paradise

    Kill kill kill!
     
  2. Callonia

    Callonia Deity

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    Hiawatha is the Only King AI that sends real armies after me not some silly group of 10 units after declaring that all my bases belong to him.

    So I ended up liking him after seeing how weak other runaway ais is on king.
     
  3. Zaimejs

    Zaimejs Emperor

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    Pure hate for him.
     
  4. Kizo

    Kizo Chieftain

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    Hiawatha always has forest everywhere, thus guaranteeing impeded enemy movement, yet he's also always the one to build the Great Wall. I despise him.
     
  5. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Those mohawk warriors in the forest are a nightmare
     
  6. Heerlo

    Heerlo Jedi Master Hearlo

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    I was just in a game where I think the game forecasted a defeat for my musketman when a mohawk warrior was in jungle or forest(can't remember which).
     
  7. apocalypse105

    apocalypse105 Deity

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    Hey i am hiawatha why do you hate me?

    i spawn in the jungle and forest and built built the great wall. Come and get me

    I spawn cities like crazy

    I spawn wonders like crazy

    I conquer other civs for fun

    I buy up all the city states

    when you find me its to late haha


    I hate him so much he allways seems do everything right and is ahead of most everything if you don't deal with him he wins the game by science , diplomatic. I even saw him doing culture victory
     
  8. Astennu

    Astennu Warlord

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    He seems to be toned down from the GnK days for me. In my last game as Assyria he was ahead in everything except science. He could've contested me for a SV had he focused on it.

    On another note, the two Native American Civs seem to kick ass alot. Hiawatha and Pocatello are very often both runaways.
     
  9. headcase

    headcase Limit 1 Facepalm Per Turn

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    He also likes (or liked... haven't seen him much in G+K) to act very friendly early on, then place a city near your capital and then denounce you soon after that.
     
  10. civ54lyfe

    civ54lyfe Prince

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    they should really make a joke emoticon for Hiawatha pwning, like they did for the Spearman v. Tank joke.


    Pocatello can be strong some games, but the worst thing about him is how whiny his red diplomacy modifiers are when you build coveted wonders. or his general spiteful diplomacy if you threaten him culturally.
     
  11. Silverman6083

    Silverman6083 History-Lover

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    All of you just be glad his victory competitiveness is 3 I can imagine shat it'd be like otherwise...
     
  12. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Yup, I hate him too. Luckily....
    :nuke:
     
  13. Callonia

    Callonia Deity

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    How can I mod it to change it to like 10?
     
  14. Ronza149

    Ronza149 Chieftain

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    He is plague just like Alexander,Alexander build less wonders but bribe more CS,equally annoying.
     
  15. OneRedBlock

    OneRedBlock Chieftain

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    Hi, I'm Hiawatha, and your land is now my land!

    He's like the opposite of the Native Americans IRL, he takes land from white people instead of losing it to them.
     
  16. Andy06r

    Andy06r Chieftain

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    Is it possible for a human Iroquis to mimic the AI? How would one ICS with them? Just to be able to do it once and watch the world war would be worth it.
     
  17. apocalypse105

    apocalypse105 Deity

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    victory competitiveness is if you are winning the game they decide to declare war on you or work against you in the world congress .

    Other words if you are winning they hate you more for it it has nothing to do with trying to win
     
  18. GoStu

    GoStu King

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    The rotten thing about him is that it's more his AI flavors than anything special about the civ itself. I think he hits the right balance between expansionism, science, war (but only when it'll be profitable), and wonder-building. Combine this with all the AI bonuses and you have a serious danger.

    The Mohawk warrior is decent but nothing to write home about, the Longhouse is questionable sometimes, and the UA is... okay.

    I can't decide if his settling every tiny scrap of crappy land makes him more or less annoying. Sure, he'll settle in your face for that one thing of sheep your city hasn't claimed yet, but then again it sure burdens him with the city penalties and tends to make enemies.
     
  19. Civking5

    Civking5 Prince

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    Hiawatha does really good in building a solid empire. I remember that in one of my recent games, his empire was consist of city after city with population over 20, and I was like come on, how the frack you do it...........I hate him.
     
  20. Mustakrakish

    Mustakrakish In 'Node' We Trust

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    Yep, count me in.

    What surprises me even more is that he is just as capable & annoying with random personalities option on.
     

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