Hillary moving to center? Co-sponsors controversial bill

[wilbill]

Every so often a politician proposes something or backs a bill that simply defies logic. What did Gerald Ford hope to gain by backing Puerto Rican statehood? How about Bush's "Trip To Mars" idea last year?

I suppose Hillary's trying to pick up support among the conservative voters in upstate NY, (for next year's Senate race) but she already was doing pretty well there for a Manhattan Democrat.

I've been a little uneasy about her as a presidential nominee and this doesn't help. She's thumbing her nose at a lot of Democrats (not just the far left) and stands to gain little from it.

 

[eyrei]

I'm increasingly convinced that Hillary's only motivation is becoming the first woman President, and she doesn't care what she has to do to get there. There was no way I was going to vote for her to begin with...she seems too ambitious and without a clear ambition...

 

[bhsup]

...for a Manhattan Democrat.

Don't you mean "Little Rock via Chicago carpetbagger democrat"?

 

[Archbob]

Meh, burning an effigy of someone can be considered a threat to that person. If the flag is a symbol of our country, then burning a flag can be seen as a threat to our nation. I guess thats the only justification.


That being said, I burn US flags all the time, its just plain fun.

 

[Mathilda]

I must have missed a few things, as I don't quite understand what is it about Hillary that makes everybody's skin crawl. Care to enlighten me. Anybody?

 

[IglooDame]

I must have missed a few things, as I don't quite understand what is it about Hillary that makes everybody's skin crawl. Care to enlighten me. Anybody?

I'll give it a shot.
- Her voice reminds me of the worst evil mother-in-law caricatures to appear on television shows
- She has apparently stood by her man despite his apparent sleeping around only because she saw/sees him as a stepping-stone for her own political rise
- From what I understand she has rarely if ever voted against a spending bill during her time in the US Senate
- Her "It Takes A Village" concept can be construed as lessening the rights of parents to the gain of local politicians and regulators
- She claimed that a "vast, right-wing conspiracy" was out to get Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky fiasco
- Did I mention her voice is like nails across a blackboard when she gets stressed?
- She is a very smart lady, by all accounts. Her actions and policy initiatives appear to me more as calculated government (and personal) power accumulation than simply intending to benefit more citizens.

 

[Mathilda]

My skin still isn't crawling

I'll give it a shot.
- Her voice reminds me of the worst evil mother-in-law caricatures to appear on television shows

Can't say I've noticed, but then again I can't remember hearing her speak. Helps not to be an American and not to watch TV, I suppose.

- She has apparently stood by her man despite his apparent sleeping around only because she saw/sees him as a stepping-stone for her own political rise

You'd respect her / like her more if she didn't have ambition?
Maybe I have a rather cynical view of marriages, but that doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

- From what I understand she has rarely if ever voted against a spending bill during her time in the US Senate

So she's too left wing for you. Fair enough, I suppose. Doesn't bother me though.

- Her "It Takes A Village" concept can be construed as lessening the rights of parents to the gain of local politicians and regulators

I'm not sure what you mean here, maybe you could give an example of such gains.

- She claimed that a "vast, right-wing conspiracy" was out to get Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky fiasco

And?

- Did I mention her voice is like nails across a blackboard when she gets stressed?

No, you talked about evil m-i-ls.

- She is a very smart lady, by all accounts. Her actions and policy initiatives appear to me more as calculated government (and personal) power accumulation than simply intending to benefit more citizens.

And in this she would differ from most other politicians how exactly?

 

[anarres]

What if you were at a Communist rally, and the leader stoop up and said "Let us burn the symbol of what we hate, and start our revolution against it!" I imagine burning an American flag would intimidate or at least bother you more than if they set CD's of the Grateful Dead on fire.

This explains a lot about how you view communists (i.e. as a wildy inaccurate stereotype), but not much about how a flag makes it more intimidating than just the threats of revolution.

And btw, when was the last US-communist heard calling for a revolution at a rally, or in any public speach?

 

[Sophie 378]

We already have this poll on flag burning. May be of interest.

 

[Renata]

Since the middle is a lot larger than the fringe on either side, the answer to that is yes. You win elections by winning the middle.

But is flag-burning a centrist issue, much less the kind of non-existent "intimidating" flag-burning being targetted? I would think that centrists in general would roll their eyes at such obvious political inanity.

 

[Renata]

I'm increasingly convinced that Hillary's only motivation is becoming the first woman President, and she doesn't care what she has to do to get there. There was no way I was going to vote for her to begin with...she seems too ambitious and without a clear ambition...

I'm afraid I'll get stuck voting for her again (Senate, Presidency, whatever) due to the alternative being even worse. Blech.

Edit @ Mathilda -- I don't like her primarily because of the reason she was so easily elected in the first place -- close ties to another elected official. Brothers, sisters, spouses, children of politicians capitalizing on their success irks me. I don't know to what extent this bothers other people; clearly, it doesn't bother everyone, or our current President wouldn't be in power. The other main reason is that she is so transparently political in many of her actions. She appears to stand for nothing more than what she thinks will get her elected. I prefer some sort of honest conviction in my political leaders, or at least a convincing appearance of it.

 

[CartesianFart]

I'll give it a shot.
- From what I understand she has rarely if ever voted against a spending bill during her time in the US Senate
- Her "It Takes A Village" concept can be construed as lessening the rights of parents to the gain of local politicians and regulators

Quite obviously that Mrs.Clinton's team is calculating her move in the Senate by rarely voting against a spending bill during her tenure in the seat of New York for Presidental means,but dont all politicians sometime do that?

Sometimes it takes a Village to produce virtuous and productive citizens in a supposed to be a civilized society.The whole country sometimes tend to be too much of a Philistine.

 

[Richard Cribb]

Am I the only one who thinks it is an insult to real US radical people to say that mrs. Clinton is "too far left wing"?

 

[downtown]

agreed. Im not Hilary fan, but those who catagorize her time in the senate as "left wing radical", really dont know what they are talking about. She's been pretty centrist.

 

[The Yankee]

But is flag-burning a centrist issue, much less the kind of non-existent "intimidating" flag-burning being targetted? I would think that centrists in general would roll their eyes at such obvious political inanity.

If they had a voice and/or paid attention to this. But if she voted against such a thing, you can be certain there will be three right-wing PACs running commercials nonstop on her.

 

[The Yankee]

I'm afraid I'll get stuck voting for her again (Senate, Presidency, whatever) due to the alternative being even worse. Blech.

Same here. Although watching Pirro crash and burn at everything she does is rather amusing.

 

[eyrei]

I'm afraid I'll get stuck voting for her again (Senate, Presidency, whatever) due to the alternative being even worse. Blech.

Edit @ Mathilda -- I don't like her primarily because of the reason she was so easily elected in the first place -- close ties to another elected official. Brothers, sisters, spouses, children of politicians capitalizing on their success irks me. I don't know to what extent this bothers other people; clearly, it doesn't bother everyone, or our current President wouldn't be in power. The other main reason is that she is so transparently political in many of her actions. She appears to stand for nothing more than what she thinks will get her elected. I prefer some sort of honest conviction in my political leaders, or at least a convincing appearance of it.

The reason that she can't even pull of the appearance of honest conviction is either that she is a crappy politician or she is being so dishonest, it is nearly impossible to hide. For some reason I don't think it is the former...

Though, come to think of it, it would be highly amusing to see First Lady Bill Clinton decorating for Christmas.

 

[The Yankee]

Though, come to think of it, it would be highly amusing to see First Lady Bill Clinton decorating for Christmas.

He's looking forward to it!

So does anyone think this bill will actually go anywhere or not?

 

[Kosez]

Is illegal in USA to burn cross?
Shame, I would like to do that some time, somewhere in the bible belt I suppose!
In our country it's not illegal to burn cross, but it's illegal to burn our flag. Which is a big shame also. I believe there is a great mass of people, who would be thrilled to burn one in front of government palace!

My opinion 'bout Hilaary: If she'd run instead of Kerry the Heinz-Ketchup, world would be saved from George IQ of a Bush. I would be pleased.

 

[IglooDame]

My skin still isn't crawling

Can't say I've noticed, but then again I can't remember hearing her speak. Helps not to be an American and not to watch TV, I suppose.

You'd respect her / like her more if she didn't have ambition?
Maybe I have a rather cynical view of marriages, but that doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

So she's too left wing for you. Fair enough, I suppose. Doesn't bother me though.

I'm not sure what you mean here, maybe you could give an example of such gains.
And?
No, you talked about evil m-i-ls.

And in this she would differ from most other politicians how exactly?

Yeah, in my opinion she's too economically left-wing, and her centrism seems to come mainly on social issues, so you could say she's nearly anti-libertarian. But, frankly, so was her predecessor (former US Senator from NY) Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who I greatly respected. What gives me the creeps about her is a seemingly blatant quest for power coupled with the smarts to use it in potentially unpleasant ways. By comparison, Kerry, Bush, Gore, Bill Clinton, McCain, Bush Sr, and even Ross Perot were all to varying degrees convincing that their highest purpose was what was best for America and the world. Yes, certainly they had piles of ambition and a hunger for power; I don't think one can realistically run for President of the US without it. But, they had fairly substantial track records (or at least coherent ideologies) regarding what they'd do if and when they got there. With Hillary that seems to be a blank - there seems to be no foundation to her politics, other than "more government, with me running it."