Hindus And Cows!

[Bard]

Just a question.
doesn't Buddhism come from Hinduism... I mean, Isn't Buddha some incarnation of a Hindu god?

 

[Sorceresss]

doesn't Buddhism come from Hinduism... I mean, Isn't Buddha some incarnation of a Hindu god?

1. Buddhism does not directly derive from Hinduism. Its founder, the Buddha, was extremely critical of Hindu religion.

2. No : The Buddha is not an "avatar[a]" of a Hindu god, and he is not (in any sense of the word) a deity...even though some worship him so much, he almost appears (to them) to be a god. The Buddha taught that "gods" were metaphysical illusions...with absolutely everything else !

@ The Condor :

You are correct. A human player can rush towards Polytheism/Hinduism, before Buddhism is founded...but with that important exception, an A.I. player always founds Buddhism as the very first "religion". Buddhism should come around much later in the game.

 

[oagersnap]

The problem with the religions is that they're so easy to get, you won't lose anything by going for them first. Maybe they should add another tech before or after mysticism and call it "spiritualism" or something.
Then it would make sense to get some of the other techs first to avoid having warriors in your city defending against horse archers, while you're desperately struggling to defend yourself those last three turns before meditation.

 

[A Random Person]

Buddism comes as early as it does probably for game balance. Without it the person who founded Hinduism would easily be able to go straight for Monotheism and be the only civ with an early religion, which would give him a pretty big advantage if he used it right. Besides, there really aren't any religions that most people would be familiar with that were founded in that time period, so it is probably the best the game designers can do.

 

[oagersnap]

Buddism comes as early as it does probably for game balance. Without it the person who founded Hinduism would easily be able to go straight for Monotheism and be the only civ with an early religion, which would give him a pretty big advantage if he used it right. Besides, there really aren't any religions that most people would be familiar with that were founded in that time period, so it is probably the best the game designers can do.

But why not make both hinduism and buddhism come later (and maybe judaism too)?

 

[BirraImperial]

There's a big difference between the game being predetermined and buddhism always being founded around 3500 BC. I agree that it was lazy research and design. Maybe it's because it doesn't bother the people who are not familiar with buddhism, which is probably the majority of people...

This is ridicuolous, can you please read again what you're posting? Civ IV is not REAL LIFE, it's just a game! Did the Romans conquered the whole planet by 1950AD in real life?? I don't Think so.

 

[Arizona_Steve]

Hindu: You can open a Quicky Mart in your towns.
Christianty: Your can draw forth the minght of pat robertson to assinate forigen leaders.
Taoism: You can paint super cool ying yangs all over the place.
Islam: You can transport units in the missionarys beard.
Judism: Your can gain acess to the rare accountant unit.
Buddhism: fat people get +1 happy face.
Confucism: You get the ablity to trade mark "Confucious say..."

Jehovahs Witness ... ability to have your units wander through other civs territory completely uninvited, irritating the general populace.

Morman (spelling) for fast population growth

Now to sit back and wait for someone to mod these into the game...

 

[Sorceresss]

But why not make both hinduism and buddhism come later (and maybe judaism too)?

Yesss... You could have had, around 4000 BC, something like "Animism" or "Shamanism", which are more archaic.

 

[Kanaric]

Because it's not a historically correct game. The world of Civ is what you make it to be. Would be boring to play a game where everything was predetermined.

The game Europa Universalis DEFINATELY isn't boring. Their are historical events in that as well, but you get to choose what to do with them. Also religion is important and has bonuses and negatives for each of them as well.

A historical game is CERTAINLY not boring, Civ 4 is extremely boring in compairison. Especially with the super-long turn waits. In EU2 I conquer half of europe after winning the 100 years war and theirs a storyline as well, definately for more entertaining.

It should be historical, but with options. It works for Paradox, ALL their games are like that.

 

[bovinespy]

The game Europa Universalis DEFINATELY isn't boring. Their are historical events in that as well, but you get to choose what to do with them. Also religion is important and has bonuses and negatives for each of them as well.

A historical game is CERTAINLY not boring, Civ 4 is extremely boring in compairison. Especially with the super-long turn waits. In EU2 I conquer half of europe after winning the 100 years war and theirs a storyline as well, definately for more entertaining.

It should be historical, but with options. It works for Paradox, ALL their games are like that.

Well said. EU2 and Civ2/3/4 are my two favorite games. Ilike the massive, epic, evolutionary scope of Civ, and then I also like zooming in on a particular historical period to provide a more structured (but still flexible) background to gameplay. Now that I got my Civ4, where's EU3?

 

[The Camel]

I am surprised noone has suggested that Religions should not be named at all, instead when learning a tech that would give you a religion it should say "first to discover "so and so tech" founds A religion." And the founder should be able to name it whatever they want. That way firaxis would be able to give bonuses and weaknesses from religions without offending anyone

 

[Garand]

Perhaps the Hindus don't draw resources from the cows. Perhaps the human workers in that square are so friggin happy to be working near the cows that they're just twice as productive as normal.

In my games, Buddhism is almost always founded before Hinduism. It's pretty rare to see Hinduism come out first.

Oh and regarding Christ and the system of dating... Christ was an historical figure and in alternate histories his birth as a prophet could have been at different times. It's just that the game is based on the Julian calendar and it never changes to differentiate between BC and Anno Domini. Just have a little fun and use your imagination.

 

[riot_girl]

This is ridicuolous, can you please read again what you're posting? Civ IV is not REAL LIFE, it's just a game! Did the Romans conquered the whole planet by 1950AD in real life?? I don't Think so.

Silly te romans didnt conquer the world in 1950, they were closely aligned with the spanish to take over the egyptians about that tiem...wait..reality is mixing with civ again... Im going to my forbiden palace *Runs and hides in the closet.*

 

[TrailblazingScot]

This has been discussed already at Apolyton...

Cows - Hindus
Pigs - Jews/Islam

Oh dear, oh dear

 

[riot_girl]

Apolyton is just wants to be Civfanatics, those fools! lets jyhad them JYHADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD i wanna jyhad!

 

[WackenOpenAir]

I think Atheism should have a place in the game.
Firaxis has been carefull not to insult anyone and made the religions exactly equal.

I am an atheist and i feel insulted by the fact that religions provide advantages and atheism does not.

I think i will have to bomb the Firaxis HQ now !

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Apolyton is just wants to be Civfanatics, those fools! lets jyhad them JYHADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD i wanna jyhad!

That isn't the Civfanatic way, as a new member you won't know that

 

[riot_girl]

But but but, sid ladien says its the right way to free our peopel from opression ;-;

 

[RIT Beast]

Best...OP....Ever.

 

[The Camel]

I think Atheism should have a place in the game.
Firaxis has been carefull not to insult anyone and made the religions exactly equal.

I am an atheist and i feel insulted by the fact that religions provide advantages and atheism does not.

I think i will have to bomb the Firaxis HQ now !

I may be wrong, but i do believe that there is a benefit from no religion, the other civs wont hate you for it... they may not love you, but they won't hate you. And at end game free religion is about the same with a few more benefits, so atheism does have advantages.