Historians, help me imagine a world where...

[Bast]

...

World War I occurred but the mistakes leading to World War II did not. That is to say, Treaty of Versailles was done correctly. The German economy did not collapse, Hitler did not rise to power and steps were taken to control fascism in Europe as well as Japan.

How different would the world have been?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I don't think there was a correct way to've done Versailles.

The only way I can forsee a reasonable peace after the war would be if the Allies (and Associate Power) had driven all the way to Berlin, ensuring a total defeat of Germany, so there could be no question about the outcome of the war. But even then, you still have the terribly paranoid Western conservatives, who were eternally both suspicous and fearful of communism. The probablility of having a war between the Soviet Union and the West would have been very high.

 

[Tee Kay]

...

World War I occurred but the mistakes leading to World War II did not. That is to say, Treaty of Versailles was done correctly. The German economy did not collapse, Hitler did not rise to power and steps were taken to control fascism in Europe as well as Japan.

How different would the world have been?

Play Red Alert.

 

[Adler17]

Play AoI II (when it is done).

Adler

 

[silver 2039]

German victory of course.

 

[Disenfrancised]

'Correctly' depends on your point of view - are we talking French 'correctly' (Germany dismembered and pissed on), or Anglo correctly (Germany let off except on naval/colonial issues)?

If the former you'll probably get red alert style Europe verses the USSR in a few decades, or bloody communist/fascist revolutions in all the German states. The latter will see another struggle (maybe not war though) for European hegemony between the Entente and a somewhat less insane Germany, whom will probably knock back the communists and make a host of puppet governments in east and central Europe.

 

[dandelman]

I may have mentioned this before, but not in this thread, so do forgive me, but for a fascinating look at the Treaty of Versailles and its consequences down to our times, do have a look at my wonderful new book -- "A Shattered Peace: Versailles 1919 and the Price We Pay Today" [www.ashatteredpeace.com] just published by Wiley and available on Amazon or most book stores !
All the best,
David A. Andelman

 

[Julian Delphiki]

Either that is a clever spam bot or you are doing good research on where to market your book, given that both posts you've made are same but actually in correct threads. It looks interesting, though.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

He's been reported, but it appears the mods are all asleep or something.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

It's nightime in Singapore... and I have a life, really.

@dandelman - I will let it by since it's not all that obstrusive, but pls stop it. Thanks.

 

[Swedishguy]

The Germans should've won if the Versailles peace was made "correctly".

 

[dandelman]

my apologies if I have offended anybody ... I thought that folks in this thread were genuinely interested in the subject of my book and that it might have gone unnoticed. This is not spam ... it is a simple author trying to get his work of 3 years noticed by folks who might care. There is, of course, no compulsion on anyone to buy it, or even notice it ... but many many folks have.
Best,
David A. Andelman
david@ashatteredpeace.com

 

[dandelman]

Have a look at H.G. Wells, "An Outline of History" ... quite an extraordinary work!

 

[Swedishguy]

my apologies if I have offended anybody ... I thought that folks in this thread were genuinely interested in the subject of my book and that it might have gone unnoticed. This is not spam ... it is a simple author trying to get his work of 3 years noticed by folks who might care. There is, of course, no compulsion on anyone to buy it, or even notice it ... but many many folks have.
Best,
David A. Andelman
david@ashatteredpeace.com

Greetings,

This is somewhat off topic, but I am in need of assistance for a serious undertaking and who better to discuss it with than fellow lovers of history...I am seeking to design a complex game based on the actual history of the world. It would be very similar to Civ except only one player, your actions alone would change the course of recorded history...don't want great graphics, in appearance would be similar to original civ, however the programming and game play would be far more complex, with historical depth and serious educational value...any suggestions or is something similar already in existence?

Thank you in advance.

Have a look at H.G. Wells, "An Outline of History" ... quite an extraordinary work!

Go dicuss it in "What are you Reading" or something. This ain't the place. I'm starting to get quite annoyed with you. Go away.

 

[rilnator]

Possible Soviet expansion into Eastern Europe, provoking a war with Britain and France. Germany, a stable democracey may have joined the western allies.

 

[Theige]

Done the Anglo way = far better world, no WWII as we know it, either hot or cold war with USSR that ends much sooner than 1990, with the USSR never becoming anywhere near as strong as it did after WWII.

It was the French's fault, my great-grandfather was there as an interpreter, and he predicted WWII as soon as he got back from France in 1921.

From what he said to my father, the French seemed to hate the English and Americans only slightly less than the Germans...

 

[Adler17]

The French on Versailles were running amok because of their hatred against Germany. The problem was that no one stopped them there.

Adler

 

[aronnax]

The French have a long history of annoying Europe.

 

[say1988]

Actually I wouldn't say it is so much the fault of the French, but the fault of both sides who came up the the compromise. The needed to either completely destroy Germany, or let it off, not leave it in between.

The other key is, there likely would have been no WWII (at least not in a similar form), IF the Allies had enforced the Treaty of Versailles. Once the Germans violated, force them to give up by force. Sure this isn't the optimal solution, but it would have worked a lot better than appeasement.

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

Well, if you have a succesful Weimar Republic which functions basically as a Western democracy, friendly with France and Britain, then you might get a Red Alert type situation playing itself out with Stalin making the great gamble for European domination instead of Hitler. WW2, but not as we know it, Jim.

If Japan becomes a similar non-belligerent state, then the biggest results would be a-no American-Japanese Pacific war, and b-no Japanese invasion of China. Speculate as you will on what this would mean, I don't really know enough to have a decent/plausible opinion.