Historical Book Recomendation Thread


I'll second this one. 1491 reads extremely easily, and really makes it's case well. I'd also say that I very much enjoyed James McPherson's Battlecry of Freedom, it's got a very narrative structure to it.

On the other hand we have China Marches West, which I am absolutely struggling to maintain any interest in. I'm concerned that my relative enjoyment of the parts on Russian expansion make me a horrible racist who just doesn't really care about China.
 
What are some good historical books for a general reader? I'm not looking for any particular history but I don't want to read some dry book that is only of interest to hardcore history nerds.

Sorry I missed this earlier, but I dug up the thread where we were trying to put together the recommended works list. It kind of fell by the wayside, didn't quite live up to my expectations. :blush:

CFC's Top Recommended Historical Works
 
You're making a lot of assumptions about the scope of this invasion.
What assumptions?

I noted that it was impossible for the Germans to mount a large-scale invasion. I also pointed out that even the ships that could reach the US coast could not protect any landings from the US Navy. So either we have an impossible invasion, or we have a tiny invasion that gets nowhere because you've got the likes of the SMS Panther going up against USS Indiana. Good luck with that one, Alfred!

[shot of Tirpitz crying quietly into his massive beard]
I'll second this one. 1491 reads extremely easily, and really makes it's case well. I'd also say that I very much enjoyed James McPherson's Battlecry of Freedom, it's got a very narrative structure to it.

On the other hand we have China Marches West, which I am absolutely struggling to maintain any interest in. I'm concerned that my relative enjoyment of the parts on Russian expansion make me a horrible racist who just doesn't really care about China.
Battle Cry of Freedom is four words, not three, and CFC's insistence on misspelling it - not just you, but everyfreakingbody - has gotten incredibly obnoxious over the last few years. Also: eh. It's a good book, and McPherson is a good scholar, but...well. It's really long. The general reader might not be able to sustain interest in a book for that long, especially since McPherson can't be assed to get to the actual war for several hundred pages; that's well and good for longue durée historians, but the average reader might be forgiven for wondering where the hell the American Civil War went.

Also he doesn't cover Reconstruction in any depth which to my mind is a far more relevant topic to the ACW than are the 1830s and 1840s but periodization in general is whack brah

also also you are a horrible rasist that doesn't really care about china kekeke~

that being said however i would also not recommend china marches west to somebody who is looking for an exciting and readable history book for the general consumer

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One history book that I would recommend to anybody and everybody is The Sleepwalkers, by Christopher Clark (our old buddy from Iron Kingdom), which has become to my mind the best single-volume work on the outbreak of the First World War (I say single-volume because of Albertini). It is recent, it is well-written, it is topical, and it has few holes. RUN DON'T WALK and all that.
 
Battle Cry of Freedom is four words, not three, and CFC's insistence on misspelling it - not just you, but everyfreakingbody - has gotten incredibly obnoxious over the last few years. Also: eh. It's a good book, and McPherson is a good scholar, but...well. It's really long. The general reader might not be able to sustain interest in a book for that long, especially since McPherson can't be assed to get to the actual war for several hundred pages; that's well and good for longue durée historians, but the average reader might be forgiven for wondering where the hell the American Civil War went.

Also he doesn't cover Reconstruction in any depth which to my mind is a far more relevant topic to the ACW than are the 1830s and 1840s but periodization in general is whack brah

also also you are a horrible rasist that doesn't really care about china kekeke~

that being said however i would also not recommend china marches west to somebody who is looking for an exciting and readable history book for the general consumer

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One history book that I would recommend to anybody and everybody is The Sleepwalkers, by Christopher Clark (our old buddy from Iron Kingdom), which has become to my mind the best single-volume work on the outbreak of the First World War (I say single-volume because of Albertini). It is recent, it is well-written, it is topical, and it has few holes. RUN DON'T WALK and all that.
Wow really? I haven't read that many long books in my life, and the Civil War was never originally a historically interest point but my Grandpa gave it to me so I worked my way through over a year and the only stuff I found myself skipping were the battles (or skimming really for political tidbits). It was one of the most pleasurable reading experiences of my life, though took work.
What assumptions?

I noted that it was impossible for the Germans to mount a large-scale invasion. I also pointed out that even the ships that could reach the US coast could not protect any landings from the US Navy. So either we have an impossible invasion, or we have a tiny invasion that gets nowhere because you've got the likes of the SMS Panther going up against USS Indiana. Good luck with that one, Alfred!

[shot of Tirpitz crying quietly into his massive beard]
Well I'm not trying to spoil the book, but the author admits that while it ever happening in a meaningful way was farfetched, the logic and the war planes and the political strategy were formalized and considered before being, let me check my timepiece, rejected. Allegedly these plans were recently unearthed from the archive. Or something, I was 17 when I read it. It was incidentally well timed because really it was post reconstructionist, progressivist, pro America and Germany, make everyone look like the heroes where Civil War generals left their late stage retirement to assist in the war planning. And I had just finished Battle Cry of Freedom, learning that I could find another era interesting to learn about that I didn't find interest in prior. Awesome, so as cheesy as the book sounds it was good enough to get me interested in that era, too. (That's also incidentally the most economically interesting time in American history, that may hold some answers). But the author does address the very weaknesses best he could. The Germans had allegedly IRL also, and this is depicted but I don't remember exactly but I suppose the Kaiser being like "tun es trotzdem!" was the turning point.

The book made watching the movie The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen watchable and it wasn't even steampunked. So I dunno if the book is any good, but I liked it and now I wanna reread it to find out. Certainly did me well.
 
Battle Cry of Freedom is four words, not three, and CFC's insistence on misspelling it - not just you, but everyfreakingbody - has gotten incredibly obnoxious over the last few years. Also: eh. It's a good book, and McPherson is a good scholar, but...well. It's really long. The general reader might not be able to sustain interest in a book for that long, especially since McPherson can't be assed to get to the actual war for several hundred pages; that's well and good for longue durée historians, but the average reader might be forgiven for wondering where the hell the American Civil War went.

Also he doesn't cover Reconstruction in any depth which to my mind is a far more relevant topic to the ACW than are the 1830s and 1840s but periodization in general is whack brah

I would quote Clay Davis but the censors would not appreciate it. I'll try to correct it in future posts.

Are there any really good single volumes on Reconstruction? The premier Grant biography would have a little on it, but obviously that is not the book's primary focus. I was looking at a book titled The Reconstruction Presidents by Simpson, but I have not found a copy yet.
 
Reconstruction by Eric Foner. It's grate
 
Wow really? I haven't read that many long books in my life, and the Civil War was never originally a historically interest point but my Grandpa gave it to me so I worked my way through over a year and the only stuff I found myself skipping were the battles (or skimming really for political tidbits). It was one of the most pleasurable reading experiences of my life, though took work.
YMMV. :dunno:

By "the actual war" I didn't mean the fighting in and of itself. I meant the setting of the fighting. The political horse-trading in Washington and elsewhere in the country as Lincoln and others try to manage the Republican Party and the war at the same time. The whole bizarre saga of the copperheads. The effects of the war on extant issues throughout the country such as Native American relations (Colorado, New Mexico, Utah) or the squabbling that became the Draft Riots. The economy at war. The foreign relations of the United States and Confederacy. The ideology of the war. And, of course, the interrelation between slavery, emancipation, and the course of the fighting.

You know: stuff that has to do more closely with the actual war than a really long excursus through the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s.

Now, obviously all of that stuff was related. A well-written history of the war has to take at least some account of the history of slavery in the United States before the outbreak of fighting. But I felt that spending a full quarter of the book's text was overdoing it somewhat.

I too tended to skip McPherson's battle narratives, because they were either covering overly well-trod ground yet again and I was bored of them, or sometimes because I didn't feel as though they were that well written compared the segment on, say, "the counterrevolution of 1861".

Anyway, all this adds up to me feeling awfully ambiguous about the book and wishing to express that while others might well recommend it to others wishing to get into the subject - God knows I have in the past, sometimes on this very forum - I myself at this moment in time probably would not.
Hygro said:
Well I'm not trying to spoil the book, but the author admits that while it ever happening in a meaningful way was farfetched, the logic and the war planes and the political strategy were formalized and considered before being, let me check my timepiece, rejected. Allegedly these plans were recently unearthed from the archive. Or something, I was 17 when I read it. It was incidentally well timed because really it was post reconstructionist, progressivist, pro America and Germany, make everyone look like the heroes where Civil War generals left their late stage retirement to assist in the war planning. And I had just finished Battle Cry of Freedom, learning that I could find another era interesting to learn about that I didn't find interest in prior. Awesome, so as cheesy as the book sounds it was good enough to get me interested in that era, too. (That's also incidentally the most economically interesting time in American history, that may hold some answers). But the author does address the very weaknesses best he could. The Germans had allegedly IRL also, and this is depicted but I don't remember exactly but I suppose the Kaiser being like "tun es trotzdem!" was the turning point.

The book made watching the movie The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen watchable and it wasn't even steampunked. So I dunno if the book is any good, but I liked it and now I wanna reread it to find out. Certainly did me well.
Well, okay. That's good for you, I guess. :)
 
YMMV. :dunno:

By "the actual war" I didn't mean the fighting in and of itself. I meant the setting of the fighting. The political horse-trading in Washington and elsewhere in the country as Lincoln and others try to manage the Republican Party and the war at the same time. The whole bizarre saga of the copperheads. The effects of the war on extant issues throughout the country such as Native American relations (Colorado, New Mexico, Utah) or the squabbling that became the Draft Riots. The economy at war. The foreign relations of the United States and Confederacy. The ideology of the war. And, of course, the interrelation between slavery, emancipation, and the course of the fighting.

You know: stuff that has to do more closely with the actual war than a really long excursus through the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s.

Now, obviously all of that stuff was related. A well-written history of the war has to take at least some account of the history of slavery in the United States before the outbreak of fighting. But I felt that spending a full quarter of the book's text was overdoing it somewhat.

I too tended to skip McPherson's battle narratives, because they were either covering overly well-trod ground yet again and I was bored of them, or sometimes because I didn't feel as though they were that well written compared the segment on, say, "the counterrevolution of 1861".

Anyway, all this adds up to me feeling awfully ambiguous about the book and wishing to express that while others might well recommend it to others wishing to get into the subject - God knows I have in the past, sometimes on this very forum - I myself at this moment in time probably would not.
Interesting, your complaint is that it's too long but you want him to expand it. The backstory is the most important part, because the alternative was, and still is, the "it wasn't slavery" narrative. But most of those things you want more of, I felt like he covered pretty well. Perhaps he could have done more, but the book is already almost 800 pages, or 600 pages if he had cut all the history of the history as you wish.

Well, okay. That's good for you, I guess. :)
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Anyway, all this adds up to me feeling awfully ambiguous about the book and wishing to express that while others might well recommend it to others wishing to get into the subject - God knows I have in the past, sometimes on this very forum - I myself at this moment in time probably would not.
What alternatives would you recommend? I've been vaguely meaning to pick up Battle Cry after hearing it well-reviewed here, but as somebody who knows bugger all about the war, I'd be happy for a more straightforward introduction.
 
Interesting, your complaint is that it's too long but you want him to expand it. The backstory is the most important part, because the alternative was, and still is, the "it wasn't slavery" narrative. But most of those things you want more of, I felt like he covered pretty well. Perhaps he could have done more, but the book is already almost 800 pages, or 600 pages if he had cut all the history of the history as you wish.
Don't be an ass. The point is that he did cover all of those things in reasonable depth (sometimes, more-than-reasonable depth), it just took him forever to get there. Nowhere did I say that the book would've been better if it were longer.
What alternatives would you recommend? I've been vaguely meaning to pick up Battle Cry after hearing it well-reviewed here, but as somebody who knows bugger all about the war, I'd be happy for a more straightforward introduction.
I dunno. I'm pretty ambivalent about single-volume histories of the ACW in general. There are a whole lot of them that are okay but not great. I guess Allen Guelzo's Fateful Lightning is all right.
 
Don't be an ass. The point is that he did cover all of those things in reasonable depth (sometimes, more-than-reasonable depth), it just took him forever to get there. Nowhere did I say that the book would've been better if it were longer.
Fine, but you are saying you don't recommend it because "laypersons" might get bored with the most important part for understanding America, when it seems the main person to get bored is the historian, whereas us laypersons quite enjoyed it. You could instead just recommend a starting page if you think someone else might share your concern.
 
Has anyone read War, Culture and Society in Early Modern South Asia, 1740-1849 by Kaushik Roy? I'm slowly getting interested in the 18th century as long as it's outside of Europe, and this looks decent.
 
Jesus Christ. Is there a better way to launch my historical education then starting at the ancient civilizations and working my way up? Should I start with Greece, or something?
 
Read what interests you.
 
Read what interests you.

Would you recommend Alexander to Actium as a good starting off point? I really like Hellenistic and Roman history, but need something I can read.
 
Can anyone recommend a good and objective bio on FDR? Trying to fill out my presidential bio collection, and can't find a fair one for him.
 
Would you recommend Alexander to Actium as a good starting off point? I really like Hellenistic and Roman history, but need something I can read.

The thing about "Hellenistic and Roman History" is that there is a lot of it. What are you looking for, specifically?
 
The thing about "Hellenistic and Roman History" is that there is a lot of it. What are you looking for, specifically?

Nothing specific, I just like the time period. I've played EB, but I really don't know where to start.
 
Would you recommend Alexander to Actium as a good starting off point? I really like Hellenistic and Roman history, but need something I can read.
It's a good starting point. The book discusses pretty much everything in Hellenistic history to some depth, both thematically and chronologically. Naturally, since it's an overview text, you don't get the detail or, necessarily, the modern scholarship (it was published in the early 1990s after all) and you also have to deal with the author's own feelings about any given topic, which intrude most bizarrely on his discussions of Antigonos Gonatas and on the subject of the Roman hegemony generally. But there is very little you will not be at least conversant in after reading it.
 
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