Historical events in Civ IV terms

[Peregrine]

Agree w/Joanne. I'm out. Have fun K.

"Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." --Winston Churchill.

 

[joanne]

Ah, in comes the type to not only beat the dead horse, but to tell me we shouldn't beat the dead horse, as if it were hurting people.

Thanks, but I will continue to post as I see fit.

NEXT!

not too familiar with english idioms, but whatever, I learn english most effectively by arguing with stubborn people, so thanks likewise.

Back on topic again: It will take the US very long to withdraw from Afghanistan & Iraq because although transport ships and cargo planes can move units hundreds of kilometers almost instantaneously, they can only do so once per year.

When Kublai Khan sent boatloads of keshiks over to Japan either he got the bermuda triangle random event or Tokugawa cheated on Worldbuilder: the "divine wind" theory is impossible because the hurricane random event destroys buildings in coastal cities, not units at sea.

 

[lasombra1984]

Russian Revolution

Russian Civics were Hereditary Rule, Nationhood, Serfdom, Free Market & Organized Religion

The Russian citizens were unhappy with Hereditary Rule and Nationhood and wanted to change to Universal Suffrage and Bureaucracy. They also "demanded emancipation" but didn't understand civic changes and thought this could be achieved by switching to State Property.

They held a revolution. After a few turns of anarchy they had switched to State Property and Bureaucracy but found they were still running Hereditary Rule and Serfdom. They had also changed to Theocracy.

Russia then built the Cristo Redentor and switched civics every other turn between Serfdom and Slavery.

You mistake about civics - HR, Burearocracy, Serfdom, FM & OR fits late Russian Empire better) Russia always was very centralized, Catherine's, Pavel's, Stalin's reforms failed to give province enough power

 

[nfw]

During WW2, the British tried to offer permanent alliance to the French, but the option was redded out - "we are afraid of your enemies!"

 

[kochman]

Agree w/Joanne. I'm out. Have fun K.

"Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." --Winston Churchill.

Perhaps because you completely failed to support your claim.
Thanks for participating though.

As for Joanne, glad you reduced yourself to name calling to look cool on the internet. Always a sign of top flight intelligence.

 

[Peregrine]

This is laughable. Claims? I'm sure that you know better than all those so-called ""scholars" at Cambridge University. You're making yourself look obnoxious.

Please do keep it up.

 

[joanne]

Perhaps because you completely failed to support your claim.
Thanks for participating though.

As for Joanne, glad you reduced yourself to name calling to look cool on the internet. Always a sign of top flight intelligence.

Dude, you have to lighten up a little, obviously I wasn't being serious - that's what smilies are for

Keeping this post legitimate, and attempting yet again to steer this thread back on topic: The root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict are the two religious shrines in Jerusalem and the thousands of gold per turn they have been generating; either side wants both shrines for themselves, so they've been fighting for them for decades

 

[kochman]

This is laughable. Claims? I'm sure that you know better than all those so-called ""scholars" at Cambridge University. You're making yourself look obnoxious.

Please do keep it up.

You came up with 1 city to support your claim...
I asked for a list of cities.
You failed to produce it.
Simply stating somewhere in your off context replies "Cambridge Scholars" doesn't make you correct. Sorry.

Glad to see you also resorting to name calling.
Very mature.

 

[awesome]

I have no idea what this "bp" scale is, and refuse to use it.

Regarding the size of Cahokia... it is estimated that it had 20,000...
What contemporary "major" cities had lower populations? Maybe ones that had actual architecture? This doesn't mean cities that have since become major, but ones that were considered major at that time please...

...that's kind of what "contemporary" means.
anyway, i couldn't find a list, but i already mentioned london, which was the capital of england at that point, just as it is now.

 

[Peregrine]

Normally, I'd shy away from this--it's like shooting fish in a barrel, honestly. Your sole means of rebuttal seems to be an "appeal to willful and stubborn ignorance." Gotta admit, that's one I've never seen, and it's not in the textbooks. But I've some time on my hands at the moment, so . . .

Recap; I mentioned some things about epidemics and Civ4. Others seem to agree. Communication ensues. Out of nowhere, you chime in and call "poppycock." (btw, great choice of terms there, Webster ) I gently attempt to inform you; you obviously don't know the slighest thing about the subject. Still trying to remain civil. This is where you pulled the Jekyl/Hyde thing. It seemed as if you were admitting you might just be ill-informed and asked for sources. No prob. Sources provided. Your response; "I don't buy that."

Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then. Perhaps you DO just happen to know more about American history, prehistory, and archeology than all those silly old men over at Cambridge. If so, please do publish. I'm sure we're all awaiting your findings with baited breath. In fact, I did present you with sufficient examples. In abundance. Too many, I thought. Felt like I was communicating with children. I was wrong. I should apologize, at this point, to children everywhere. All my responses were in context. Simply claiming that they weren't doesn't make YOU right, brainiac. Name calling? Where? "Obnoxious" is a descriptive, not a name. You don't seem to think very clearly, do you?

The issue of plains Indians never came up anywhere in my statements. YOU threw that in. Then complained because no one addressed it. Can you say "irrelevant?" Apparently, you were just searching for something, anything, where you might be correct. Too bad no one else said anything about it. Brilliant thinking there Einstein. Try staying with the topic at hand. It's not that difficult. Really.

At least you can follow instructions. I asked you to please keep it up, and, of course, you did so. Good boy.

Whatever you do, don't stop now. This is mildly entertaining. But only mildly.

 

[kochman]

Haha, you are certifiable, hilarious. You have yet to bring up Indian city names, in N. America, which was my whole point. You have decided to try to make my point something other than it is... perhaps to hide your error.

My first post in this series was me agreeing that there should be some kind of epidemic event in the game... not going against it.
I suggest you re-read.

Happy Valentine's Day, Peregine, I love you.

 

[Peregrine]

No, your "whole point" was that cities didn't exist at all in North America prior to 1500, and all demonstrations to the contrary you simply denied. Well of course we should have known that YOU know better than all those know-it-all scholars. This bit about a list came out of nowhere, as seems to be usual with you. It's a little bewildering, watching you do things and say things then accuse others of doing precisely what you're doing. Are you a little whacky? (Not saying that you are, of course, cuz that would be flaming, just asking.) You change your position with every post, and get abusive and insulting to those who point our your lack of knowledge on the subject you're addressing or who disagree with you.

And yes, I am pretty witty when called upon to be. Thanks.

Now pray do continue, because I just know that a person like you can't let it go.

 

[awesome]

someone bring up hitler and we can get on with our day.



oh wait.




edit: also, there's a random event based on d-day, so uh, kind of on topic?

 

[kochman]

No, your "whole point" was that cities didn't exist at all in North America prior to 1500, and all demonstrations to the contrary you simply denied. Well of course we should have known that YOU know better than all those know-it-all scholars. This bit about a list came out of nowhere, as seems to be usual with you. It's a little bewildering, watching you do things and say things then accuse others of doing precisely what you're doing. Are you a little whacky? (Not saying that you are, of course, cuz that would be flaming, just asking.) You change your position with every post, and get abusive and insulting to those who point our your lack of knowledge on the subject you're addressing or who disagree with you.

And yes, I am pretty witty when called upon to be. Thanks.

Now pray do continue, because I just know that a person like you can't let it go.

I didn't change my position once, and my position is simple. I am not sure why you can't understand what is happening, but I will make the following statement and you can get as many last words in as you see fit, because that's what love means to me... Letting you twist my words however you see fit in order to save face.

I asked for N. American Indian cities.
I got 1 named city - Cahokia.
End of story.

Enjoy your day.

 

[Terrance888]

This is ridiculous! Although I should I expect it form an online forum...

A person arguing about thin air is convinced s/he is right!


Anyway: In the 1400 chinese stopped producing research and started producing culture slider and city wise, letting the Europeans get ahead while they aim for a cultural win.

Unforunately, they were taken over by the Manchurians/Koreans and only won with revolt in 1911 Rhye;s style, fought off war with japan and turned communist, therefore losing their cultural advantage they sacraficed their science for.

 

[diegovelasco45]

And are now recovering because they made lot's of factories and the three gorgers dam so they have a lot of hammers to pour into research ^_^

 

[Terrance888]

They are still trying to get ride of that coal plant they accidentally made in their GP farm during the 'Great Leap Foward' Whiping in Sichuan.

 

[Something Weird]

Global warming is the result of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Of course, none of you will get what i did here.

 

[joanne]

^ too late, I posted that way back in the first page

 

[Nicol.Bolas]

G.W.Bush meets meet Saddam and tries to select oil in the trade screen, but:
"Surely, you must be joking" - its redded out

Bill Clinton meets Boris Jelcin in 1989 and:
Clinton: Your civics arent cool, you should adopt free speech, free trade, free religion and emancipation like all the cool civs, police state and state property isn´t cool:
Jelcin: hmm ok
Clinton: also your vassal states are scaring us
Jelcin: ok, we will free them

.... leading to collapse of soviet union